So that means it's fine to treat every mage like some dangerous animal because of the actions of one guy?
No, but it shows how dangerous mages can be. Corypheus was once a young boy, not all that different from Connor. And look at what he became.
We must take reasonable precautions when dealing with magic.
The lasting affect of those 2 is way longer than any war and they were creates by mages, they may not be recreated but others dangerous magic can, like the Dragon attack at Val Royeaux, the Breach, Aurelian Titus almost controlled dragons too, all of those are recent magical events that no noble could ever achieve.
What about the Baroness?
A noble can order an alienage purged, sure.
A mage can trap the alienage in the Fade to torture for eternity.
A mage who cares about anyone besides herself or anything besides power, maybe.
Bah, being benevolent is overrated. Its not like my inquisitor is a saint either. Carta Dwarven shout out!
As for the Dalish, I believe Solas has said all I need to say on Dalish. A bunch of fools who claim to be the last true elves when in truth they know next to nothing.
Thats bullsh*t and you know it.
The Emeralds Knights were in Orlais, they invaded a foreign border, and when they saw a single woman coming at them, they shot her.
When the others villagers went to find her, they saw a elf holding her and killed him, and after that they were slaughtered by the Emerald Knights.
Are you really surprised by Xil making a BS excuse to not make the elves look like jerks
Lies. Elves are totally cute and cuddly and have never and will never do anything wrong ever because I project my own RW issues on to them.
The rebellion started after a year of mages being on lockdown and increasing repression from Seeker Lambert who was trying to force a rebellion. After what happened in Kirkwall, there was genuine and reasonable fear that other Circles would be annulled. Moreover, the mages didn't just start fighting- Fiona called for a vote in the one assembly they'd been allowed to have in that year, and Lambert attacked them rather than allow a vote. Events after that just cascaded.She said how the mages rebelling at this time was a horrible idea given what just happened. Saying it made them look like they support what anders did. I still agree with the mages that they should be free but she brings up a really good point. Anyone else catch this
Lockdowns that came after some Circles revolted and mage terrorist attacks became more frequented with the Divine almost being a casualty.
This notion that people are ignorant of magic and they just need to learn in other to adopt 21st century morality does not hold much water.
Sure, normal people have some ridiculous ideas of what magic does; if your cows are dying, chances are it was not the kid who recently came down with a bad case of mage, call the Templars, don't lynch him; but they are, for the most part, right.
Did mages dominate the continent and abuse normals for a thousand years? Yes, they did.
Can it happen again? Yes, it can.
Can mages kill with a flicker of the wrist? Yes, they can.
Can mages summon demons? Yes, they can.
Can they be possessed? Yes, they can.
Can mages control minds? Yes, they can.
People understand magic. That is precisely why they fear it and don't want mages around.
The Emeralds Knights were in Orlais, they invaded a foreign border, and when they saw a single woman coming at them, they shot her.
Yeah, none of the multitude of provocations from Orlais that preceded it and informed their reactions to seeing someone coming at them while holding something that they couldn't tell at the time was a weapon or not ever actually happened at all.
I understand what you're getting at, but there's a missing factor in that equation.
They are, in fact, people. They are rational beings with the ability to make decisions, and very few of them approve of blood magic and using their abilities to harm civillians.
Keep close surveillance if you wish, but not every mage is the murder machine Vivienne makes them out to be.
They are people. That's what makes the situation so very tricky. Where does public safety meet human rights?
Because while most mages don't use blood magic. Some do. And to very destructive purposes. (heck some mages use plain old vanilla magic to abusive and destructive uses)
And of course, some mages do get possessed against their will, causing enormous amounts of destruction as well.
Though I must say also Vivienne does not say that every mage is a "murder machine" She does say the rebels are foolish, short-sighted, and even selfish.
She also says that the mages rebelling when they did gave the appearance that they approved of Anders' actions, whether they actually did or not, which hurt the public image of their cause. She even admits that they have legitimate grievances against the their treatment But in her opinion, they went about addressing them in a way that legitimizes the very fears they want to quell.
The Dales had their own share of provocation, don't try to make them the wounded party.Yeah, none of the multitude of provocations from Orlais that preceded it and informed their reactions to seeing someone coming at them while holding something that they couldn't tell at the time was a weapon or not ever actually happened at all.
The Dales had their own share of provocation, don't try to make them the wounded party.
The elves didn't wanted the girl, they didn't try anything else, they just shot her, and her terrible weapon was a piece of paper, how you try to justify that? She was a single woman against several trained soldiers, even if she had a weapon, she wouldn't stand a chance against them.
What type of muppet sees a squad of Elven soldiers and decided to run at them in a manner that suggests she is holding a weapon? The whole village seems to have been inhabited by muppets, because they also decided it was best to charge at the heavily armoured soldiers with pet wolves.
They are people. That's what makes the situation so very tricky. Where does public safety meet human rights?
Because while most mages don't use blood magic. Some do. And to very destructive purposes. (heck some mages use plain old vanilla magic to abusive and destructive uses)
And of course, some mages do get possessed against their will, causing enormous amounts of destruction as well.
Though I must say also Vivienne does not say that every mage is a "murder machine" She does say the rebels are foolish, short-sighted, and even selfish.
She also says that the mages rebelling when they did gave the appearance that they approved of Anders' actions, whether they actually did or not, which hurt the public image of their cause. She even admits that they have legitimate grievances against the their treatment But in her opinion, they went about addressing them in a way that legitimizes the very fears they want to quell.
She can say this. It doesn't mean that it's at all meaningful or correct. Especially since the templar rebellion pretty much canceled out the negative public perception of the mage one; additionally, no one ever connects it to Anders' actions in-game except herself, and it comes across as a remarkably thin excuse.
The Dales had their own share of provocation, don't try to make them the wounded party.
The elves didn't wanted the girl, they didn't try anything else, they just shot her, and her terrible weapon was a piece of paper, how you try to justify that? She was a single woman against several trained soldiers, even if she had a weapon, she wouldn't stand a chance against them.
Many people don't need weapons at all to be dangerous, as I'm sure you know.
She can say this. It doesn't mean that it's at all meaningful or correct. Especially since the templar rebellion pretty much canceled out the negative public perception of the mage one; additionally, no one ever connects it to Anders' actions in-game except herself, and it comes across as a remarkably thin excuse.
You can argue her stance. Just argue the correct stance, rather than the inaccurately hyperbolic one. She did not call the rebels "murder machines" or any such thing.
Though I'd say the Templar rebellion didn't alter the perception of the mage one. It just made the Chantry look even weaker.
Many people don't need weapons at all to be dangerous, as I'm sure you know.
She can say this. It doesn't mean that it's at all meaningful or correct. Especially since the templar rebellion pretty much canceled out the negative public perception of the mage one; additionally, no one ever connects it to Anders' actions in-game except herself, and it comes across as a remarkably thin excuse.
Yup, Minavie is all the argument required.
You use the example of one elven mage from one clan to paint all clans as heartless? If you converse with her you find out Lavellan' clan doesn't turn out mage children but shuffles them off to other clans for training.
You use the example of one elven mage from one clan to paint all clans as heartless? If you converse with her you find out Lavellan' clan doesn't turn out mage children but shuffles them off to other clans for training.
I agree with some of what Vivienne has to say but not much.
There is the Dalish elf from the bull chargers too.
I never really spoke with her so I don't know her situation, but if she was also turned out of her clan that's only two we know of so far. And, from what Solas says, the clans are all very different from each other. I'm sure some turn out mage children while others do what Lavellan's clan does.
You can argue her stance. Just argue the correct stance, rather than the inaccurately hyperbolic one. She did not call the rebels "murder machines" or any such thing.
Though I'd say the Templar rebellion didn't alter the perception of the mage one. It just made the Chantry look even weaker.
Everyone in the game except Vivienne and the templars themselves seems to blame both sides, or lean to the mage side.
Don't try to justify their actions, they killed many innocents and their country paid the price, the Exalted March was necessary but what happened to the elven civilians was not.
The Exalted March was just political Chantry bullshit. The entire religion is political bullshit, really; not Andraste's doing, but that of a grasping and power-hungry would-be emperor.
It didn't, just ask Leliana, if the templars are recruited she will say that people trust the templars and know they trust the Inquisition, if mages are recruited she says the inverse.
No she doesn't. She just says that supporting the mages would likely make enemies, something that seems painfully obvious on either side. The public is never shown to trust the Inquisition any less.
Everyone in the game except Vivienne and the templars themselves seems to blame both sides, or lean to the mage side.
The Exalted March was just political Chantry bullshit. The entire religion is political bullshit, really; not Andraste's doing, but that of a grasping and power-hungry would-be emperor.
No she doesn't. She just says that supporting the mages would likely make enemies, something that seems painfully obvious on either side. The public is never shown to trust the Inquisition any less.
Oh boy
The only BS here is your bias, I like how you ignore the fact that the elves killed countless of innocents and were sacking Val Royeaux when the Exalted March was called.The Exalted March was just political Chantry bullshit. The entire religion is political bullshit, really; not Andraste's doing, but that of a grasping and power-hungry would-be emperor.
Templars losing PR does not equal mages gaining it. That elf in Redcliff says that mages are the ones everyone hates, Fiona says the doors to every city in Thedas but Redcliff were closed to the and that everyone blamed them for the Divine's death, etc. Furthermore, there are multiple of War Table quests, both on the mage and Templar side, where we have to rescue mages from angry populace or you find the corpse of mages that were killed by people taking the law into their own hands.
http://dragonage.wik...est_from_Hasmal
http://dragonage.wik...r's_Obligations
http://dragonage.wik..._of_Maleficarum
http://dragonage.wik..._of_Abomination
http://dragonage.wik...College_of_Magi
BTW, I love this mission.
http://dragonage.wik..._Against_Demons
It is only a week since you left, yet Ansburg slowly returns to its routines. We will never forget how demons ran through our streets, just as we will always remember the men and women who reclaimed them.
There is talk of erecting a statue in honor of our Templar defenders. I can already hear you calling it "excessive nonsense," but it is little enough for saving a city. Allow us our heroes.
The Exalted March was just political Chantry bullshit. The entire religion is political bullshit, really; not Andraste's doing, but that of a grasping and power-hungry would-be emperor.
How dare you speak of Archon Hessarian in such a manner.
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