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Er... I see two legs...

 Do you? WHERE

 

Looking at the image at start of thread (which is the same as irl tarot) :

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...where is it..? D:



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I've seen a lot of threads around the beautiful Tarot cards and decided to go through the saves of my first playthrough to get screenshots of all the ones I got. Here they are:

 

Blackwall: beginning - during companion quest (gone) - after companion quest - romance

Cassandra: beginning - romance - ending (Divine) - ending (Divine, gone)

Cole: beginning - after companion quest (ghost) - after companion quest (more human)

Cullen: beginning

Dorian: beginning - after companion quest - romance

Iron Bull: beginning - after companion quest (Chargers saved) - after companion quest (Chargers sacrificed) - romance

Josephine: beginning

Leliana: beginning

Sera: beginning - after companion quest (playing pranks) - romance

Solas: beginning - romance - ending (gone)

Varric: beginning - after companion quest - ending (after wicked grace)

Vivienne: beginning - after companion quest (white wyvern heart) - after companion quest (normal wyvern heart) - ending (Divine, gone)

 

Their place in the Tarot deck:

Major Arcana

0 The Fool: Sera, beginning

I The Magician: Dorian, beginning

II The High Priestess: Vivienne, beginning

III The Empress: Cassandra, ending (Divine)

V The Hierophant: Solas, romance
VI The Lovers: Varric, beginning

VII The Chariot: Dorian, romance

VIII Strength: Cassandra, beginning
IX The Hermit: Solas, beginning
X Wheel of Fortune: Iron Bull, after companion quest (Chargers saved)
XI Justice: Blackwall, beginning
XII The Hanged Man: Sera, romance
XIII Death: Blackwall, during companion quest
XIV Temperance: Cassandra, romance
XV The Devil: Iron Bull, beginning
XVI The Tower: Solas, ending
XVII The Star: Sera, after companion quest (playing pranks)
XVIII The Moon: Cole, beginning
XIX The Sun: Varric, after companion quest
XX Judgement: Blackwall, after companion quest
XXI The World: Vivienne, ending (Divine)

 

Minor Arcana (not entirely sure about them though)

Ten of Swords: Iron Bull, after companion quest (Chargers sacrificed)

Queen of Cups: Vivienne, after companion quest

 

I also have a few questions:

 

Do the advisor cards change when you romance them or when Leliana becomes Divine? Answer: They don't. (source: DracoAngel)

 

Are there any other cards I'm missing?

 

Just add the cards you have and I'll edit them into this post. Thanks!

 

Cool, i've got a deck of those card so lets see what you're missing

 

IV - The emperor - Empress Celene Valmont

XVI - The Tower - okay this a monster codex card, when i load up the game i'll add this Solas leaving your party at the end (pointed out by snackrat).

 

https://en.wikipedia...ki/Major_Arcana

 

Minor Arcana https://en.wikipedia...ki/Minor_Arcana

 

When i mark a card as unknown it means is doesn't appear ingame for me and it's not an obvious alternate card i can ascertain.

Also i expect overlap with what others have posted but i thought for completeness i would add the whole minor arcana suit. Well as much as as i can.  (Ranadiel Marius has posted some in an earlier post on page 5 of this thread)

 

Staves Suit

Ace - Circle of the Magi coat of Arms

Two - Wraith

Three - Corpse

Four - Envy

Five - Shade

Six - Despair Demon

Seven - Terror / Nightmare

Eight - Rage Demon

Nine - Pride Demon

Ten - Fear

Page - Cole (Spirit Choice)

Knight - Calpernia

Queen - Morigan

King - (unknown) - Might be Alternate Nightmare from the Fade

 

Sword Suit

Ace - Templar Coat of arms

Two - Rogue: Dual Wield

Three - (Unknown) - Picture is of two people side by side arching their backs and looking upwards. The male (not sure is he is human or elf) is holding two swords, and the female elf is hold one.

Four - Hard Difficulty

Five - Rogue: Archer

Six - Warrior: Two-Handed

Seven - Nightmare Difficulty

Eight - Mage Class (not Mage in creatures Codex)

Nine - Warrior: Weapon & Shield

Ten - Ironbull (Complete Alliance with Qun)

Page - Cole (Human choice)

Knight - Cullen

Queen - Leliana

King - (Unknown) - Possibly the Original Inquisitor card before they put in origin background card for each race Eg Lavellan Hunter Card. If so it looks like a Darth Inquisitor Card

 

Coins Suit

Ace - Orlais Coat of Arms

Two - Dwarf Male Character Select

Three - Dwarf Female Character Select

Four - Alternate Variant Female Elf Character Select not in game

Five - Alternate Variant Male Elf Character Select not in game

Six - Alternate Variant Female Qunari Character Select not in game

Seven - Alternate Variant Male Qunari not in game

Eight - Alternate Variant Female Human Character Select not in game

Nine - Alternate Variant Male Human Character Select not in game

Ten - Ironbull Romance

Page - Varric (During companion quest)

Knight - The Champion of Kirkwall

Queen - Alternate Josephine Montilyet not in game

King - Dragon

 

Cups Suit

Ace - Tevinter Imperium Coat of Arms (heraldry symbol)

Two - Guardsman / Red Templar Guardsman

Three - Shadow

Four - Spellbinder

Five - Archers / Red Templar Archers

Six - Bruiser

Seven - Horror

Eight - Red Templar Knight

Nine - Behemoth

Ten - Revenant

Page - Dorian Pavus (after companion quest)

Knight - Samson

Queen - Vivienne: Madame de Fer (After companion quest with snow wyvern heart)

King - Corypheus

 

I'll try and figure out a way to upload the alternate version / unknown cards when i have time. Taking photos and upload and shite since i have the whole deck. Probably in 24 - 48 hours i guess. Will try and figure out how imgur.com works.

 

Edited Changes (Tower has been fixed);

Added Staves Suit, not sure who King is meant to be;

Added Swords Suit, not sure who King or Three is meant to be;

Added Coin Suit, the alternate cards i put in where obvious since it looked similar to the ingame one.

Added Cups Suit

Fixed Varrics card; Clarrified Coin Race cards; Added extra info on unknown cards

Fixing Spelling errors and stuff

Clarified Nightmare Card since it shares same card as Terror it seems


Modifié par Pincey, 20 février 2015 - 08:02 .


#128
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The Tower isn't monster codex. It's Solas' post-epilogue card.



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 Do you? WHERE

 

Looking at the image at start of thread (which is the same as irl tarot) :

Spoiler

...where is it..? D:

Right beside the second leg. It is most apparent if you look at the skin right above the boots but below where the pants start.

 

 

Cool, i've got a deck of those card so lets see what you're missing

 

IV - The emperor - Empress Celene Valmont

XVI - The Tower - okay this a monster codex card, when i load up the game i'll add this Solas leaving your party at end care

https://en.wikipedia...ki/Major_Arcana

 

 

The minor arcana (well the important ones) are listed already in a post by me on the last page.



#130
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I have a different version of Iron Bull Tarot card after his quest and the sacrifice of the "Charge". He was among many other qunaris holding a red flag. The most magnificient design among all of them.

 

Plus it is a shame that Leliana, Josephine, Cullen could not benefit of a different version after their quests.

 

Solas and Cassandra cards could benefit of that too, without having u romancing them but after the quest. It completly felt wrong to see they were the only one with the same card as the begenning at the end after 261 hours of playing.



#131
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^ Cass and Solas already have three cards:

Spoiler

 

The only one with more than that is Iron Bull at four (normal, romance, both options for personal quest). I suppose their cards are largely unchanged both for art reasons (not having tarot options out the wazoo) and also because their world-views don't really change - Cass is always "Go Inquisition!" and Solas is always "Go this thing I am not telling you about, shh, can I help you please leave now"



#132
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Right beside the second leg. It is most apparent if you look at the skin right above the boots but below where the pants start.

 

 

The minor arcana (well the important ones) are listed already in a post by me on the last page.

 

Yah i expected overlap. Not trying to steal your thunder or anything. I just wanted to put the whole minor suit in one post.



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I have a different version of Iron Bull Tarot card after his quest and the sacrifice of the "Charge". He was among many other qunaris holding a red flag. The most magnificient design among all of them.

That is the ten of swords.

^ Cass and Solas already have three cards:

Spoiler


The only one with more than that is Iron Bull at four (normal, romance, both options for personal quest). I suppose their cards are largely unchanged both for art reasons (not having tarot options out the wazoo) and also because their world-views don't really change - Cass is always "Go Inquisition!" and Solas is always "Go this thing I am not telling you about, shh, can I help you please leave now"

Actually Iron Bull is not the only one with four. There is also Viv and Blackwall.

Yah i expected overlap. Not trying to steal your thunder or anything. I just wanted to put the whole minor suit in one post.

Ah no worries about stealing my thunder. I just didn't want you to waste time, but w/e your list breaks down individuAl minors. Side note, numbered coins are the race/gender select cards. Also I believe the two missing kings from your list are Nightmare and the Inquisitor.

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Oh you're right about Blackwall, but Vivienne...?

*checks first post*

 

OH WOW THAT'S BADASS eeegh the normal heart card is terrifying a little though

 

 

I doubt the OP is still noting, but Varric's final card is triggered after Well Sh!t, not after Wicked Grace. (Wicked Grace is triggered after Well, Sh!t also though, so the confusion is probably them appearing very close together.)



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That is the ten of swords.

Actually Iron Bull is not the only one with four. There is also Viv and Blackwall.

Ah no worries about stealing my thunder. I just didn't want you to waste time, but w/e your list breaks down individuAl minors. Side note, numbered coins are the race/gender select cards. Also I believe the two missing kings from your list are Nightmare and the Inquisitor.

 

Oh you're right about Blackwall, but Vivienne...?

*checks first post*

 

OH WOW THAT'S BADASS eeegh the normal heart card is terrifying a little though

 

 

I doubt the OP is still noting, but Varric's final card is triggered after Well Sh!t, not after Wicked Grace. (Wicked Grace is triggered after Well, Sh!t also though, so the confusion is probably them appearing very close together.)

 

Okay i've updated the minor arcana card list to reflect these changes.



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I seem to remember a Varric card where he was sitting at card table but leaning back laughing with a mug of beer in his hand, it appeared just after the bianca quest but before the Wicked Grace card.  



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I do love the artwork on these collectible-style cards, but I've collected and read tarot cards for many years. The art/characters from these images have absolutely nothing to do with the Major Arcana of the Tarot in the way they're being associated in the post. 

Where did that list come from?  If Bioware made it up, they kind of dropped the ball on that one.



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Anyone know what card Blackwall's romance card corresponds with? I've been trying to figure it out with no luck


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I do love the artwork on these collectible-style cards, but I've collected and read tarot cards for many years. The art/characters from these images have absolutely nothing to do with the Major Arcana of the Tarot in the way they're being associated in the post. 

Where did that list come from?  If Bioware made it up, they kind of dropped the ball on that one.

I wanna know which ones you think aren't appropriate. The ones I've seen are pretty spot on for the characters personality or frame of mind at the time



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Their place in the Tarot deck:

Major Arcana

0 The Fool: Sera, beginning

 

I feel that the Inquisitor is more fitting as the Fool than Sera.



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 Do you? WHERE

 

Looking at the image at start of thread (which is the same as irl tarot) :

Spoiler

...where is it..? D:

 

Notice the line on her leg skin. (Tried to avoid saying legs)



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I really wish someone would make a Tarot card creator, that allows us to choose the hair style, hair colour, clothing design and pose for our Inquisitor/s. As well as 5 background designs for each backstory (5 for human noble, 5 for human mage, 5 for Dalish elf, 5 for Carta dwarf, 5 for each Vashoth qunari).

 

If I wasn't so easily distracted and bad committing to a project, I'd do it myself, or else, do 4 for each of my Inquisitors. I already have an idea for the pose of my Dalish elf.



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I do love the artwork on these collectible-style cards, but I've collected and read tarot cards for many years. The art/characters from these images have absolutely nothing to do with the Major Arcana of the Tarot in the way they're being associated in the post. 

Where did that list come from?  If Bioware made it up, they kind of dropped the ball on that one.

There are like 5 lists in the thread so I don't know which one you are talking about, but the source for just about all of them is the deck of Tarot Cards from the Inquisitor Edition of the game. Some of the cards do have traditional elements of the major arcana that they are associated.....others don't (looking at you Cassandra as strength).

 

 

Anyone know what card Blackwall's romance card corresponds with? I've been trying to figure it out with no luck

It doesn't correspond to any card.

 

 

I feel that the Inquisitor is more fitting as the Fool than Sera.

More fitting or not, she is called the wild card and was given the Fool arcana in the deck. Fun fact, she is the only major arcana to get put into the playing card deck (art from the Fool and the Hanged Man are the jokers). The Inquisitor got the role of the King of Swords (or at least his helmet did).



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It doesn't correspond to any card.

 

Ah, guess that's why I couldn't figure it out :lol:

Thanks :)



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I'm sure everyone already knows the speculation surrounding Sera being Andruil (or her vessel or whatever you want to call it). True or not, her romance card being the Hanged Man could definitely back that up.

 

From good ole Wikipedia: "The Hanged Man's symbolism points to divinity." "'He who can understand that the story of his higher nature is imbedded in this symbolism will receive intimations concerning a great awakening that is possible, and will know that after the sacred Mystery of Death there is a glorious Mystery of Resurrection.'"

 

An anecdote on the Norse god Odin, supposedly related to the card: "The moment he glimpsed the runes, he died, but the knowledge of them was so powerful that he immediately returned to life." Sounds a lot like the codex on Andruil and her bouts of madness brought on by being in the Fade too long. Now she's back in the form of Sera.

 

Vague, but interesting? Okay, I'll shut up before this gets any more off-topic. Sorry xD



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What happens if you give Vivianne the normal heart instead of the snowy one?



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More fitting or not, she is called the wild card and was given the Fool arcana in the deck. Fun fact, she is the only major arcana to get put into the playing card deck (art from the Fool and the Hanged Man are the jokers). The Inquisitor got the role of the King of Swords (or at least his helmet did).

Fair enough, though I see the IQ as the more fitting choice because he or she embarks on a grand adventure as a blank slate who can eventually become anything.

 

IMO of course.



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What happens if you give Vivianne the normal heart instead of the snowy one?

 

It will make her look that you collaborated with her in her own game to kill the Duke just to get to that high position in the Council of Heralds.

And she greatly disapprove.



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Sorry for the thread necro but I just finally had time to beat this (I'm super OCD, was on the last quest since december lololol + school).

Anyways - my Cassandra (romance as well) opted to become divine without question nor without my wartable support, but her tarot card never changed to Divine - to simply changed to an X'd out Romance tarot card. Why?! This sort of bugs me now.



 



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So, I successfully overcame my laziness to bring you this missing Iron Bull card  :) Here he is, accepting the life of Qun.

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I also noted that this picture bears unmistakable similarity to some of the photos I've seen of the USSR parades. Like this one: http://media.ykt.ru/...eW9Fxvsf9I.jpeg

That's from the Parade of Athletes in Moscow, 1956.

And I really hope that people won't go crazy with all the Qun=Communism parallels.

What's so wrong Qun=Communism. Qun is perfect communism. Well as perfect as you can get. And communism is great ideology well hard to implement but still much better then democracy if done correctly.