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[Rifneno]

they brainwash people and turn them into mindless zombies if it doesn't take.

probably the most evil organisation in thedas, at least in tevinter the people are free to have their own thoughts, in par vallon you would take from them even that.

This.  The Qun is an abomination.  A mockery of life.  Sten and the Qunari in DA2 were like some kind of tranquil with a superiority complex.

 

Even if we disregard the brainwashing, and the horrifying treatment of mages, and the way they view non-qunari as not even a person, and... well, I could go on and on, but I'm trying to say even if you were to wipe away all the other crap, at heart it's a totalitarian society and totalitarianism is never good.  Ever.  Under any circumstances.  Even the qunari's original writer said that totalitarianism isn't worth it.

[Dabrikishaw]

Save the Chargers.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I personally did not care for the Chargers, and sacrificed them because the whole point of the mission was to achieve gains for the Inquisition.  Backtracking just meant there was no point to even taking it on in the first place.  I also don't have the the whole 'us vs them' mentality regarding the Qunari that many people have. 

[Rifneno]

 I also don't have the the whole 'us vs them' mentality regarding the Qunari that many people have. 

You should.  They have it with you.

[Chashan]

The 'decision' would be somewhat tougher if the Chargers consisted of more than just a handful quirky grunts. I was under the impression that them being called a "company" would translate to far larger numbers of them off-screen. In meta-terms, it would have been a question of trading in a significant land-force under the Inquisition's direct command for Qunari naval power and espionage.

 

Yet, apparently, those six drinking-buddies, while entertaining, is it. Hence, I'll be letting those six mercs do their job to the last every single time. (Hissrad's portrait looking lovely afterwards I see as a bonus.)

[N7KnightSabre]

No matter what you choose, Bull's gonna have a tough time with it.  On the one hand: the Qunari are his people, his beliefs and ideals.  On the other hand: the Chargers are like his family and the love and trust they share is important.  I chose to sacrifice the alliance with the Qunari.  Sacrificing Bull's men would just kill the poor guy.  Being forced out of the Qun was big, too. but I think he can heal better from that - especially with help from his team.  

 

I also think the choice wasn't exactly necessary.  Retreat the Chargers and attack the Vents on the coast before they harm the dreadnought - that's what I would've done.  The consequences seemed forced in there.

[AzureAardvark]

If you decide to save your own people, you are essentially saying that the lives of your own people are more important to you than both the lives of your allies, your alliance, and the success of your military plans. This makes you not only an unreliable ally, it also raises the obvious question, what the hell are you doing sending men into battle in the first place if you don't think the goal is worth the sacrifice of their lives to achieve?

 

Eh? Missions over at that point; the question is "Who loses an asset?"

 

In my current playthrough, I expended the Chargers; this doesn't mean I appreciate the "Qun first!" hyperbole.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

probably the most evil organisation in thedas, at least in tevinter the people are free to have their own thoughts, in par vallon you would take from them even that.

 

Eh, ... I would take Par Vollen over the Scumperium. At least most people in Qunari society are fairly safe and comfortable.

 

In Tevinter, you may be a slave, and in slavery actually better off than freemen outside the nation's exclusive social-elite.

[Ranadiel Marius]

what annoys me the most...is that I could easily attack the vints from where I was... yet nowhere was the option 'have them retreat and go kick vint ass'

What annoys me most is that the Vints are on the shore, so they had a clear shot at the Dreadnaught, but had no easy path to the chargers.

Conceptually like the quest, but designing a no win scenario that is believable is never easy.

[AzureAardvark]

What annoys me most is that the Vints are on the shore, so they had a clear shot at the Dreadnaught, but had no easy path to the chargers.

Conceptually like the quest, but designing a no win scenario that is believable is never easy.

 

Yeah. I see what is *intended* and roll with that, but I notice the flaws.

[Kenshen]

It's the demand of the Inquisition that the Qun sucks it. As far as I can tell, I haven't lost anything particularly meaningful after the destruction of the Qunari dreadnought. Seems to me that only the oxmen lost.

 

It isn't about what the Inquisition gains or loses it is what Bull gains or loses.  Poor guy has already been recycled once and I don't get the feeling the Qun is open for giving 3 strikes but who knows.  With the way he acts before that quest he is more Tal-Vassoth than hardcore Qun follower so with these kinds of choices I would rather the NPC make the call.  Tie it to approval rating or something.  It just doesn't make sense to me that we are telling him what to do instead of supporting or not suporting his choice, a choice that under the Qun he wouldn't even have.

[Ziegrif]

I would have just put up a Barrier and jumped down there to deal with the whopping 3 Venatori mages.

But NOOOO! Videogame logic! Cutscene incompetence! 

[Tevinter Soldier]

Eh, ... I would take Par Vollen over the Scumperium. At least most people in Qunari society are fairly safe and comfortable.

 

In Tevinter, you may be a slave, and in slavery actually better off than freemen outside the nation's exclusive social-elite.

 

an expression of individual thought. such a wondrous thing and you'd throw it away for "safety" and comfort.

 

Bruno's ashes weep.

[Sardoni]

He can always turn himself into the Qunari brainwashers when he wants to go back to obeying the Qun.

 

Those crazy Inquisition folks ordered me not to retreat my mercs.

[Rifneno]

Eh, ... I would take Par Vollen over the Scumperium. At least most people in Qunari society are fairly safe and comfortable.

 

In Tevinter, you may be a slave, and in slavery actually better off than freemen outside the nation's exclusive social-elite.

The slaves in Tevinter are more free than any man on Par Vollen.  I would side with the darkspawn before the Qun,

[Johnsen1972]

Screw the Qun, saved the chargers. So sue me if I'm selfish.

I think ,most people did this !

Screw the QUN, I rather save Bulls men!

 

[Jazharah]

If I could sacrifice Vivienne I might have lol

But yeah even something as insignificant as the chargers to the overall game is hard

Viv on a leash, mouth sewn closed only moaning and grumbling while casting spells on demand?

Beats her current state...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

an expression of individual thought. such a wondrous thing and you'd throw it away for "safety" and comfort.

 

Bruno's ashes weep.

 

Er, I am not seeing where "individual thought" is thrown away, except if qamek'd, but if I really were hellbent on escaping then I would at least try to act the part for long enough to earn release rather than stupidly trying something while in custody.

 

Now if you meant to say "(some) individual freedoms," that would be a correct statement, but also one that would apply to living within any society that has laws and some form of government. Obviously, some societies are freer than others, but having such freedoms is of small comfort to the downtrodden. So on that note, despite what I was clearly taught to believe, I do not subscribe to the idea that all of our freedoms are priceless, non-negotiable possessions to be defended to the death -- maybe some of them, but definitely not all. Here, let me put it this way: ... in my eyes, between [the average Tevinter, having greater freedom] and [a viddathari, having greater wealth and legal standing], the latter comes out on top.

 

(And do you seriously believe that the oligarchy that rules Tevinter is anything but an authoritarian regime, itself?)

[Ashagar]

As long as you play your role unquestioningly, never be allowed to have a family and never have a real choice of your own unless you wish for a fate worse than death as you get mind raped and what they do to mages makes the Templars and circles look like heaven in comparison. On the Whole I view the Tevintor and the Qun war as evil vs. evil.

[Grayvisions]

Chargers all the way. Qun needs to fall and I will gladly help make that happen if ever given an option. The Qun are Dragon Age's answer to Star Trek's Borg; they assimilate or destroy, there are no other options. I'm glad they and Tevinter are at war, they deserve one another.

[Rifneno]

Er, I am not seeing where "individual thought" is thrown away, except if qamek'd, but if I really were hellbent on escaping then I would at least try to act the part for long enough to earn release rather than stupidly trying something while in custody.

 

Now if you meant to say "(some) individual freedoms," that would be a correct statement, but also one that would apply to living within any society that has laws and some form of government. Obviously, some societies are freer than others, but having such freedoms is of small comfort to the downtrodden. So on that note, despite what I was clearly taught to believe, I do not subscribe to the idea that all of our freedoms are priceless, non-negotiable possessions to be defended to the death -- maybe some of them, but definitely not all. Here, let me put it this way: ... in my eyes, between [the average Tevinter, having greater freedom] and [a viddathari, having greater wealth and legal standing], the latter comes out on top.

 

(And do you seriously believe that the oligarchy that rules Tevinter is anything but an authoritarian regime, itself?)

Yeah, I'm with you mean.  There's no difference between laws against thievery and murder and totalitarianism.  It's totally just semantics.

[Geth Supremacy]

This.  The Qun is an abomination.  A mockery of life.  Sten and the Qunari in DA2 were like some kind of tranquil with a superiority complex.

 

Even if we disregard the brainwashing, and the horrifying treatment of mages, and the way they view non-qunari as not even a person, and... well, I could go on and on, but I'm trying to say even if you were to wipe away all the other crap, at heart it's a totalitarian society and totalitarianism is never good.  Ever.  Under any circumstances.  Even the qunari's original writer said that totalitarianism isn't worth it.

 

Look to Tevinter to see what happens when mages run free.

[Rifneno]

Look to Tevinter to see what happens when mages run free.

Look to Par Vollen to see what happens when beasts run free.