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[l7986]

Will never save the Chargers because I'm not going to sacrifice a chance to change the Qunari's opinion about needing to conquer everything in Thedas for a crazy dwarf, a crazy not mage mage, another crazy elf and two humans that are just meh in every way. Saving the Chargers will only serve to prove to the Qunari that they needn't bother with working with any major power on anything.

[rayden54]

I think the right choice is to save the dreadnought.  From the pragmatic point of view, keeping the alliance is more valuable.  From a moral point of view, there are probably more people on board the dreadnought.

 

I'd agree with you except I trust the Qunari about as far as I can throw the dreadnought. I'd sacrifice the Chargers if I thought it would actually accomplish anything.

 

As it stands, I'm more concerned about the way it impacts my game.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I've done both. If i'm romancing Bull, which I usually am, I save the Chargers. Bull is happier that way and, they do come up with quite a few war table missions if you ask Krem how you can use them often. Sacrificing them gets a few Ben Hassrah missions but fewer than saving the Charges does and, it makes for a lost Bull that gives me the impression he'll leave the Qun after you beat Cory anyway. Still the Qunari are strong allies and, it is an opportunity to potentially introduce another point of view peacefully to them, in the future.

 

Still, overall, I prefer saving the Chargers. I had one Bas Alitan, I don't have to be one again.

[synnerman]

I let the Chargers die so I could get the Masterwork Archon Staff schematic. First time I've ever liked Tallis.

[shellys639]

I allied with the qun. As far as I can tell they don't lie to you. If they invade you they come right out and warn you. the same with converting you, unless I was asked to there is know way I am getting involved in someone elses way of life whether or not I agree with it. I would rather have the qun where I can see them and I am in a better position to show them what happens if you screw with me. I also figured in the people on the dreadnaught compared to bulls company.

[Lulupab]

Allying with the Qun gives you a Tier 3 staff schematic that is candidate for best staff. The other being random loot from T3 chests and its very hard to get. So this path gives you the best staff in the game the easy way.

[RobRam10]

Allying with the Qun

[Lulupab]

 

Pfft, Damn the Qun. The staff however is worth it. 

[Elite1111111111]

Yeah I really wish it hadn't just been Black and White choices. They could see a larger force coming? What was to stop us from sending a few more people. Or the fact that no one was attacking us, what was to stop us from helping? Even if it hadn't been all of us.

(Nevermind the fact I was level 20 when I did the quest and the enemies were only level 7?)
Also the mages don't even attack from the hill, they just stay on the beach, whats to stop us from attacking them.

[synnerman]

I'm with Elite. I waited until I was level 20 to do this. I could have slid down the hill and killed all of the Venatori myself.

[Pincey]

First off, why do some topics literally just disappear?  Posted this topic like an hour ago and it has entirely disappeared, trust me I looked for a very long time.  Do mods just remove random topics or is there like an issue with some not posting correctly?

 

Anyway!.... Iron Bull's first main companion mission, what did you guys decide to do?  Sacrifice the chargers for the Qunari alliance and to allow the Bull to stay within the Qun?  Or did you save the Chargers and give up the Qunari alliance while making the Bull a Tal-Vassoth?

 

I've done both now and both options just seem bad, you lose more then you gain in both choices and yes I know mathematically that doesn't really make sense, but it feels like it in both cases to me lol

 

Also, since I haven't really gotten very far after getting the Qunari alliance, anyone care to share what it gives me?  Just more war table options?  At least some dialogue outside of the Bull himself perhaps?

 

Okay lets see, if you cement your alliance with the Qun, on the bodies of the Dead chargers which i did you get a nice Schematic and War table missions.

 

More specially, you get T3 Rare Schematic Masterwork Archon Staff, which is one of the best mage staves in the game. You get this reward later in the mission sets. During the Destroy Venatori Spy Network, around the Nevara mission or just after. Alternatively, i guess chest farming in Emprise du Lion or Hissing wastes if you think you're lucky.

 

Concerning the War table missions, you have two sets. You Save Denarim from being burned which is the first set. I think the other prereq to this set is also saving the monarch from being assinated. I think this set is Three card mission. The second set of missions is to Destory the Venatori Spy Network in Southern Thedas which i think from memory is around 6 of 7 card missions. Depending on your choices throughout that set, you can totally suceed or just land a major blow.

 

As for why i chose the alliance over The Chargers. Well it was because i wanted the Naval and Intelligence Assets of the Ben hasrath to help crush the Venatori. The Qunari are not invading in the game, right now it's just pure speculation. The Qunari could of invaded when the Arithok took over Kirkwell if they wanted too but didn't. Which leads me to think all three leaders of the Qun have to agree, the Arithlok was essentially a Rogue Agent and didn't get permission to do what he did. He got pissed and just attacked over years of being prodded by the anti qunari elements in kirkwell of the years. Also during that time he didn't forcibly convert anyone to the Qun. The Ben hasrith agents are not forcibly converting anyone (Gatt mentions this). None of the war table missions indicate any qunari invasion plans or forced indoctrination. 

 

So with no evidence of an incoming Qunari invasion, since it's just speculation, i saw no reason not to take the alliance. As The Iron Bull says, leaders have to make the hard choices. Let the chargers live was the easy choice for the inquisitor personally. The Harder choice is allying with the Qunari against a common enemy. This choice is better for the Inquisition Organistion even if my inquisitor hates/dislikes the Qun. If any invasion does happen the future, my inquistor will happily go on the front lines and crush them all and use the Inquisition organsation to do the same thing. The Philosphy of the Qun didn't play any factor in my decision making process.

Modifié par Pincey, 04 janvier 2015 - 11:28 .

[eyepoker]

Pincey, you list what you get if you ally with the Qun. But there's always a tradeoff with choices in this game. What do you get if you save the Chargers? I'm sure there are other table missions that pop up under that situation. Does anyone know what they are?
Also, does anyone have any input on how this choice affects the development of Leliana? Because I suspect it is one of the algorithms that they use to determine how bloodthirsty she is at the end of the game.

[Pincey]

Pincey, you list what you get if you ally with the Qun. But there's always a tradeoff with choices in this game. What do you get if you save the Chargers? I'm sure there are other table missions that pop up under that situation. Does anyone know what they are?
Also, does anyone have any input on how this choice affects the development of Leliana? Because I suspect it is one of the algorithms that they use to determine how bloodthirsty she is at the end of the game.

 

Okay with The Charges Mercenary company, i remember doing those missions before totally allying with the Qun. I held off doing Iron Bulls quest until i unlocked Abbor wilds so i did every charger mission before that point. To unlock The charger missions, you have to complete a story mission then talk to Krem as ask how to use them. Every story mission unlocks one. Most of them were just one stand alone wartable mission. The Mage or templar choice unlocks a chain with one mission being available after you pick a side and then another after haven. Even the Abbor Wilds had a Charger mission (Sister went that route). The Charger missions didn't unlock any Chains like Qun missions did if you allied with them.

 

However i'm not sure if you unlock one after you complete the last mission which technically is a story mission. And you can talk to them after defeating Coryheus but if you didn't do iron bulls companion mission, you would be locked with The Chargers. I would have to double check with my sister since she did that path. I don't remember the rewards being that interesting or the missions themselves that interesting compared to the Basalt-an Qun Set. Example would be after you complete Adamant fortress, you can get them to demolish it. Only misions i found interest form them was when you investigate what happened to the other side. If you pick mage, you sent them to explore the templar castle. I didn't get any T3 schems from those any of the charger missions. If you compare the number of Charger missions to the the Basalit-an Qun ones, There was more on the Qun side. 

 

Essentially if you stick with the Chargers you don't get anything extra, you just get their mission unlock after you complete a story mission. Same as before.

 

If you wanted too, you could hold off doing Iron bulls personal quest until after Abbor Wilds and get all the Charger missions up until that point, then afterwards ally with the Qun and do the Basalit-an sets, if you wanted to get the most out of those missions.

 

As for Leliana, i dunno and blood thirstiness, most of the time in general i did choose her option since it was the best, however for some missions you fail really bad if you do her option lol.

Modifié par Pincey, 05 janvier 2015 - 08:30 .

[omgodzilla]

Lets see: 6 guys vs one of the best spy networks and THE single most powerful navy in the world. Either choice will hurt Bull. Either he loses his men or he becomes something he despises (Tal Vashoth). Sometimes, its not a bad idea to ally with someone you despise if you both have a common enemy. Its why the allies sided with the USSR during world war 2. It worked out pretty well for the allies since the USSR managed to fight and destroy 80% of the German military (partly thanks to financial aid from the US and UK) and they also took the brunt of the casualties. The allies could've had a much rougher time if it weren't for that alliance. The US might have lost a million people instead of only half a million. 

[omgodzilla]

Are you kidding? The Qun is a fanatical totalitarian religious society. If anything they represent Islam in our day and age. That seems pretty obvious.

 

LOL as if the Islamic world is anywhere near as stable, technologically advanced or powerful as the Qunari are compared to the rest of Thedas. The Qun has little to no infighting. Corruption doesn't exist. They're fanatical but they're also extremely efficient. The exact opposite of the Islamic world. Unless you're referring to back when the Middle East actually had its **** together ( ie - Ottoman Empire and Caliphates at their peak).  Even that is debatable. 

[The Baconer]

The Qun has little to no infighting.

 

That really isn't true.

[omgodzilla]

That really isn't true.

 

But relatively speaking, they are far more efficient and stable compared to other societies in Thedas. Definitely compared to the middle east...

[The Baconer]

But relatively speaking, they are far more efficient and stable compared to other societies in Thedas.

 

And this goes out the window as soon as they encounter other societies in Thedas.

[omgodzilla]

And this goes out the window as soon as they encounter other societies in Thedas.

 

How so? 

[KaiserShep]

But relatively speaking, they are far more efficient and stable compared to other societies in Thedas. Definitely compared to the middle east...

 

It seems to me that Qunari society is in a very precarious position. As much as Bull likes to say how it's all the same crap regarding personal freedoms, the Qunari basically use the fantasy universe equivalent of MKULTRA to keep its citizens in line, and do deal with rebellions on a regular basis.

[Farangbaa]

If you want the single best staff in the game, you need to sacrifice the chargers and succesfully (near)complete the chain of wartable missions you get afterward. You can fail in that chain once or twice.

But if you don't fail, you get the Masterwork Archon Staff, which is easily the best staff in the game.

[Farangbaa]

But relatively speaking, they are far more efficient and stable compared to other societies in Thedas. Definitely compared to the middle east...

The Middle East is in Thedas nowadays?

[The Baconer]

How so? 

 

Seheron, Kirkwall, Rivain. Every instance that they (or at least the Antaam) get exposed to a different culture, they start to churn out significant numbers of Tal-Vashoth.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

My first play-through I didn't even trigger the quest, so as far as what the difference is having the Alliance there or not, I don't think matters as far as the end game.

If I were playing to be an actual realistic commander, I would probably sacrifice the Chargers. But I'm not playing real life scenarios, so I'm going to probably end up choosing to save the Chargers, because I know them personally and would be really sad to see Bull depressed without his team. Is it the selfish decision? Yes.

 

But its the reason I saved Hawke as well, even though I really felt the other guy should have been saved instead. I just couldn't face Varrick afterwards if I had left Hawke.

[omgodzilla]

The Middle East is in Thedas nowadays?

 

I was referring to an earlier post which compared the Qunari to the Islamic world...