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[Valerius]

Hey everyone I can't seem to understand how a mage would be considered the herald of andraste (lore wise) considering that she rebelled against an empire run by mages in the first place. Any thoughts?

[Dave of Canada]

Magic is made to serve man, so the mage is serving man by being the Herald of Andraste.

[UFOKaraage]

I think lore-wise it has been stated that scholars are researching on the possibility that Andraste was a mage herself, hence the whole "Magic must serve Man" saying.

[dragonflight288]

Hey everyone I can't seem to understand how a mage would be considered the herald of andraste (lore wise) considering that she rebelled against an empire run by mages in the first place. Any thoughts?

 

I don't know how far you are, but you can talk to Mother Giselle about this in Haven or Skyhold. Giselle says that the line "magic exists to serve man" is often taken out of the proper historical context. She (Andraste) lived during a time where mages ruled everything and everywhere, and Giselle says that Andraste taught that mages should coexist among non-mages, and not rule people based on their magic. 

[Br3admax]

Lore-wise, because everyone cares about your special Mark, not what powers you have naturally. 

[rpgfan321]

People are so desperate at the point of the game, they'll accept anything. What happens after the game is another matter. 

[LightningPoodle]

Common theory inside and outside Thedas is that Andraste was a mage herself. Perhaps everyone, seeing your mark, knowing you walked out of the fade, now believe this; even if it's under hushed breaths.

[Valerius]

Ah ok I see thanks for the great replies guys!

[LightningPoodle]

I don't know if it's common. It's in one codex, proposed only as a theory.

 

You'd think it'd be recorded more than just theories, if it was definitely true. Someone would have noticed. Yet all the depictions we get is Andraste with sword and shield. A barbarian. And a singer. The only magic she seemed to move anyone with was her voice (including the Maker).

 

I think I overheard people in Redcliffe talk about it. The depictions of her will most likely have been commissioned by The Chantry, so right there, you have a religious group trying to cover up facts about their more holy people. It has happened throughout history as well. It's a mechanism used to control the masses.

[Br3admax]

They were talking about what Tevinter was spreading to excuse letting them sell out to Alexius. 

[Hazegurl]

Hey everyone I can't seem to understand how a mage would be considered the herald of andraste (lore wise) considering that she rebelled against an empire run by mages in the first place. Any thoughts?

My Theory is that Andraste herself was just a mage who saw some crap she didn't like and fought against it, and people, being the weak minded hope needing beings they are, latched onto to her and claimed she was the Maker's Bride. She probably rejected it before deciding to go with it if it gave people hope and made them willing to fight....Sort of like with this whole "Herald of Andraste" business.

[Vit246]

The Maker works in mysterious ways.

[jellobell]

People want a savior.

 

Hell, my Inquisitor is a mage and an elf and a heretic. The irony never fails to amuse her.

[EmissaryofLies]

Because most Andrastians are superstitious idiotic fools who believe what they wish to no matter how unlikely or ridiculous.

[dragonflight288]

My Theory is that Andraste herself was just a mage who saw some crap she didn't like and fought against it, and people, being the weak minded hope needing beings they are, latched onto to her and claimed she was the Maker's Bride. She probably rejected it before deciding to go with it if it gave people hope and made them willing to fight....Sort of like with this whole "Herald of Andraste" business.

 

 

So you're saying Andraste and the Herald are both like this?

 

[Tevinter Soldier]

I don't know if it's common. It's in one codex, proposed only as a theory.

 

You'd think it'd be recorded more than just theories, if it was definitely true. Someone would have noticed. Yet all the depictions we get is Andraste with sword and shield. A barbarian. And a singer. The only magic she seemed to move anyone with was her voice (including the Maker).

 

tevinter for one preaches she was a mage, there's also the fact that the old inquisition also "purged" heretical views about andraste and the maker and a codex in haven about andrastes dog, where it guides chantry remembers to remind people that anything other then the chant of light is heresy.

 

they are clearly paranoid about different interpretations of andraste, we also know that several passage were left out of the chant of light including verses by her husband.

 

then there's all the droughts and floods and bushfires that accompanied her.

 

all that said would it be common belief? not among the devout. but for the chantry to so opposed and deadset about expunging it at one time or another such beliefs that conflict with the chant of light must have been wide spread.

[arelenriel]

Mind you the Chantry both Orlesian and Imperial have also purged Shartan from the records when apparently he was her right hand man during the rebellion against Tevinter slavery.. which is why the Elves got the Dales to begin with.. I think much like the Catholic Church the Chantry covers up a lot of information for example I would suspect that they know the true history of Ancient Elvenhan and are very well aware that it wasn't the way the elves view it. Heck the entire Seeker order is founded based on ensuring the Chantry keeps those kind of secrets (e.g. knowing how to reverse Right of Tranquility)

[Kantr]

What I dont get is why you have to close the breach first to be called the herald.

[Tarvesh]

I don't know if it's common. It's in one codex, proposed only as a theory.

You'd think it'd be recorded more than just theories, if it was definitely true. Someone would have noticed. Yet all the depictions we get is Andraste with sword and shield. A barbarian. And a singer. The only magic she seemed to move anyone with was her voice (including the Maker).

See, you say that, but let us not forget the lesson that the war table mission of Trydda's Battleaxe. In it, you send a scholar and your forces to search for the acclaimed weapon of old.

When they find it, the scholar writes to you and apologizes because it's not an axe; it's a mage's staff. There was a mistranslation in the tales and scripts where the word they translated to mean 'axe' actually meant 'hafted weapon'.

Trydda, it turns out, was a Mage. The same can be said for Andraste. But her being a Mage would not fit with Chantry dogma and the way the Chantry chose to interpret Andraste's words.

There's plenty of room for Andraste and the Herald to be a Mage. And if nothing else, people need something to believe in and cling to in times of great distress. A Mage coming out if a rift with a glowing female behind him?

Geez, may as well call the choir and have a a beam of line shine down so that Holbein can paint the Chantry's newest masterpiece. There's no better way I can think of to give you that title apart from Andraste coming back and telling everyone you speak for her.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't know if it's common. It's in one codex, proposed only as a theory.

 

You'd think it'd be recorded more than just theories, if it was definitely true. Someone would have noticed. Yet all the depictions we get is Andraste with sword and shield. A barbarian. And a singer. The only magic she seemed to move anyone with was her voice (including the Maker).

 

One codex and, according to Dorian, Tevinter Chantry Canon.

[HK-90210]

Because Andraste said so. Also the Maker.

[Br3admax]

What I dont get is why you have to close the breach first to be called the herald.

You don't. You're called Herald soon after the prologue which is weeks-months before closing the Breach.