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[arelenriel]

I don't know if it's common. It's in one codex, proposed only as a theory.

 

You'd think it'd be recorded more than just theories, if it was definitely true. Someone would have noticed. Yet all the depictions we get is Andraste with sword and shield. A barbarian. And a singer. The only magic she seemed to move anyone with was her voice (including the Maker).

Remember where you find the Ancient Elven Warrior horcrux you find either in the Breciian Ruins or the Temple of Andrastein Origins that gives your the Arcane Warrior Specialization (can't remember which). It is possible that she ran across someone with knowledge of the skills (perhaps elven mages held in slavery had managed to hand down the skills or knowledge) and was an arcane warrior. It could also be symbolic with the sword representing magic as her weapon and the barrier spell being a shield.. or it simply could have been symbolic of her and Shartan's fight against slavery in the Imperium

[Yermogi]

I think lore-wise it has been stated that scholars are researching on the possibility that Andraste was a mage herself, hence the whole "Magic must serve Man" saying.

This. Which would mean that the Maker not only took a Mage for his consort, but would also mean that the Southern Chantry has severely twisted what Andraste meant, while Tevinter has just basically ignored it. The ramifications of Andraste being a mage would shake the very foundation of the White Chantry, which might not actually be a bad thing. Religions tend to need a good shaking every now and again.

 

This would also make it not at all surprising for the Herald to be a mage, since Andraste herself was one.

[Bigdoser]

Er I thought the whole point of the fade section 

 

Spoiler

was that you are not actually the herald but a victim of circumstance? So you are not the herald of anything.

[arelenriel]

I think most of what we learn throughout the game along with the Breach , revelations about the Seekers, revelations about Corypheus and his link with the Grey Wardens etc will give all of Thedas a pretty good shaking up .. and if my Elven Mage Herald of Andraste (not since she is not Andrastian) who is romancing

Spoiler

Fen'Harel/Solas

is part of that all the better.

[Kantr]

You don't. You're called Herald soon after the prologue which is weeks-months before closing the Breach. 

Oh. I meant when you dont seal it fully the first time. But I suppose at that moment everyone thinks you killed the divine.

[Br3admax]

Er I thought the whole point of the fade section 

 

Spoiler

was that you are not actually the herald but a victim of circumstance? So you are not the herald of anything.

The whole point of the Fade section is that nothing is ever that simple. You can take it for whatever meaning you want. 

 

Oh. I meant when you dont seal it fully the first time. But I suppose at that moment everyone thinks you killed the divine.

Ah, well yeah. Huge explosions everywhere and people with more pressing concerns, I guess. 

[Yermogi]

Er I thought the whole point of the fade section 

 

Spoiler

was that you are not actually the herald but a victim of circumstance? So you are not the herald of anything.

Not necessarily. You could make the argument that the Quizzie walked in on the ritual at the most crucial moment, and that s/he was guided by Andraste there. You could say that Andraste protected the Quizzie, keeping them safe instead of dying horribly in the Fade. Even if the spirit guiding you in the Fade wasn't Justinia herself, it is indicated by Cole that it was a Spirit of Aid, sent to help and protect you. Who's to say that the spirit wasn't sent by Andraste, or is even a part of Andraste herself?

 

Regardless of whether Andraste put the mark on the Quizzie or not, s/he should have died like 10 times over by the time you even GET to the Fade. Surviving the Fade in physical form the first time, AND the second time, AND the explosion of the Conclave, AND the attack by both Corypheus and an Archdemon (which I personally would count as two alone), AND the avalanche, AND (if you help the mages) traveling through time itself using an unstable spell that shouldn't even work, AND all the fights they get into just being themselves. If that isn't divine intervention and protection, I don't know what is.

 

Varric's reaction is the most telling when asked if he thinks the Quizzie is actually a Herald, blessed by Andraste. Now, keep in mind Varric isn't really religious. He's probably an Andrastian in the loosest sense of the word, but when you ask him what he thinks of being sent by Andraste, he says (albeit hesitantly) that he agrees with that. He says himself that the Inquisitor should be dead. They should not be alive at Skyhold when they speak to Varric. They should either be in the stomach of an Archdemon, trapped under 800 tons of snow, died in the Fade, or adorning Corypheus's throne as decoration. It is nothing short of a miracle that the Inquisitor lives through all that, and pretty much everyone believes it. Whether or not the Quizzie got the Anchor by accident, they have it now, and they're saving the damn world. In the eyes of any religious person, that makes them a herald of any god they like.

 

(Editing because I thought of more scenarios where the Quizzie should have died.)

[Master Race]

^^^^^^

Well said.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Not necessarily. You could make the argument that the Quizzie walked in on the ritual at the most crucial moment, and that s/he was guided by Andraste there. You could say that Andraste protected the Quizzie, keeping them safe instead of dying horribly in the Fade. Even if the spirit guiding you in the Fade wasn't Justinia herself, it is indicated by Cole that it was a Spirit of Aid, sent to help and protect you. Who's to say that the spirit wasn't sent by Andraste, or is even a part of Andraste herself?

 

Regardless of whether Andraste put the mark on the Quizzie or not, s/he should have died like 10 times over by the time you even GET to the Fade. Surviving the Fade in physical form the first time, AND the second time, AND the explosion of the Conclave, AND the attack by both Corypheus and an Archdemon (which I personally would count as two alone), AND the avalanche, AND (if you help the mages) traveling through time itself using an unstable spell that shouldn't even work, AND all the fights they get into just being themselves. If that isn't divine intervention and protection, I don't know what is.

 

Varric's reaction is the most telling when asked if he thinks the Quizzie is actually a Herald, blessed by Andraste. Now, keep in mind Varric isn't really religious. He's probably an Andrastian in the loosest sense of the word, but when you ask him what he thinks of being sent by Andraste, he says (albeit hesitantly) that he agrees with that. He says himself that the Inquisitor should be dead. They should not be alive at Skyhold when they speak to Varric. They should either be in the stomach of an Archdemon, trapped under 800 tons of snow, died in the Fade, or adorning Corypheus's throne as decoration. It is nothing short of a miracle that the Inquisitor lives through all that, and pretty much everyone believes it. Whether or not the Quizzie got the Anchor by accident, they have it now, and they're saving the damn world. In the eyes of any religious person, that makes them a herald of any god they like.

 

(Editing because I thought of more scenarios where the Quizzie should have died.)

 

my inquisitor touched a ball.......(obscure reference to adams family movie)

[Monochrome Wench]

Varric's reaction is the most telling when asked if he thinks the Quizzie is actually a Herald, blessed by Andraste. Now, keep in mind Varric isn't really religious. He's probably an Andrastian in the loosest sense of the word, but when you ask him what he thinks of being sent by Andraste, he says (albeit hesitantly) that he agrees with that. He says himself that the Inquisitor should be dead. They should not be alive at Skyhold when they speak to Varric. They should either be in the stomach of an Archdemon, trapped under 800 tons of snow, died in the Fade, or adorning Corypheus's throne as decoration. It is nothing short of a miracle that the Inquisitor lives through all that, and pretty much everyone believes it. Whether or not the Quizzie got the Anchor by accident, they have it now, and they're saving the damn world. In the eyes of any religious person, that makes them a herald of any god they like.

A conversation between Quizzie and Cassandra had her tell Quizzie that Varric is Andrastrian, it's just not something that he lets on. It would be the real reason he stays on with the Inquisition. He is a true believer.

[AtreiyaN7]

Some people believe that Andraste was a mage herself. Now with the way the Chantry has edited out canticles from the Chant of Light that conflict with its position on magic, mages, elves, and whatever else they don't like, I wouldn't exactly trust that everything the Chantry has said is the complete and gospel truth.

 

If you've finished the game, well, let's just say that you should be aware that the Dalish are actually pretty clueless about their own history and have gotten a lot of stuff wrong. Who is to say that the Chantry isn't misinformed about Andraste as well? Additionally, if you actually believe in the Maker (assuming that you're Andrastian here), then shouldn't you technically accept that everything that unfolded was the Maker's will?

[herkles]

the imperial chantry believes that andraste was just a mortal woman, but a mortal mage nonetheless. The southern chantry believes she was blessed by the Maker, and gifted with divine powers.

 

I wonder though perhaps both could be true?

[caridounette]

Not only can a mage be the 'Herald of Andraste' you can also end up with a mage as new Divine at the end of the game

[celebrei]

The biggest irony is that she was probably a mage with an elven goddess inside.

[Bigdoser]

 

You can say the same for the warden or even Hawke so they must be some herald of a god as well? Almost all their actions are miracle's in it self. As I said I believe it was the actions of men and circumstance that we succeeded. Considering a common troupe in the chant is that the less the maker does the more he is proven being herald of such a religion I think is pure bull and saying I am herald of a woman who people are still arguing whether she had divine powers or was a mage. 

 

As my inquisitor said they are tired of fanatical belief in what or may or may not be true they should start believing in this world. I am simply in agreement with blackwall when he said the people "need" me to be herald or they would be despairing otherwise, Hawke says something of the same effect when you say you should reveal the truth of how you got the mark. 

 

Hence as my inquisitor said I am doing this because its right not because of faith etc. 

[Yermogi]

You can say the same for the warden or even Hawke so they must be some herald of a god as well? Almost all their actions are miracle's in it self. As I said I believe it was the actions of men and circumstance that we succeeded. Considering a common troupe in the chant is that the less the maker does the more he is proven being herald of such a religion I think is pure bull and saying I am herald of a woman who people are still arguing whether she had divine powers or was a mage. 

 

As my inquisitor said they are tired of fanatical belief in what or may or may not be true they should start believing in this world. I am simply in agreement with blackwall when he said the people "need" me to be herald or they would be despairing otherwise, Hawke says something of the same effect when you say you should reveal the truth of how you got the mark. 

 

Hence as my inquisitor said I am doing this because its right not because of faith etc. 

Your Inquisitor can say whatever they'd like to- they absolutely don't have to believe that they were Andraste's chosen. I'm just saying what the average person is thinking about that. The average person doesn't know the whole story, just the basics. Even the soldiers, who lived through all that, seem to believe that the Herald is completely genuine. Whether or not the Inquisitor believes, it doesn't change the fact that people are going to claim the Herald a walking miracle.

[AtreiyaN7]

the imperial chantry believes that andraste was just a mortal woman, but a mortal mage nonetheless. The southern chantry believes she was blessed by the Maker, and gifted with divine powers.

 

I wonder though perhaps both could be true?

 

You never know, and after DA:I, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. From the Arbor Wilds on...I was pretty floored by the revelations that were flying left and right, heh.

 

As far as my Inquisitor went, my reaction was, well, I don't really believe in the whole thing - not gods as such, but you never know. Besides, the people needed someone/something to believe in, and I understood that. Ultimately, my attitude shifted a teensy bit after talking to Varric and Dorian - I suppose I was actually verging on joining them in their unconventional (for Thedas) views on the Andrastianism.

[Bigdoser]

You never know, and after DA:I, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. From the Arbor Wilds on...I was pretty floored by the revelations that were flying left and right, heh.

 

As far as my Inquisitor went, my reaction was, well, I don't really believe in the whole thing - not gods as such, but you never know. Besides, the people needed someone/something to believe in, and I understood that. Ultimately, my attitude shifted a teensy bit after talking to Varric and Dorian - I suppose I was actually verging on joining them in their unconventional (for Thedas) views on the Andrastianism.

You know I find it kinda funny that the mark, the orb and most of the revelations dealt with elven stories, "gods" and powers not Andraste or the maker. So more than anything you are the herald of them so to speak. XD  

[HK-90210]

the imperial chantry believes that andraste was just a mortal woman, but a mortal mage nonetheless. The southern chantry believes she was blessed by the Maker, and gifted with divine powers.

 

I wonder though perhaps both could be true?

 

Why not? After all, the Maker can surely bless mages, too.

[AtreiyaN7]

You know I find it kinda funny that the mark, the orb and most of the revelations dealt with elven stories, "gods" and powers not Andraste or the maker. So more than anything you are the herald of them so to speak. XD  

 

Yes, there's a certain irony that you-know-who seems to have set things in motion. My reaction at the end was: "WTFFFFFFFF, it's really been *spoiler* who triggered this?! WOW!!!!!!" That being said, it's clear that the Golden/Black City is a real place that Corypheus visited. Now if the elven gods/elven magisters/whatever else were real figures, then I don't think you can dismiss that other gods are floating around somewhere or may have existed once upon a time.

 

Mind you, I'm someone who generally believes only if I've got a fair amount of proof and evidence. So far, I'm now (based on what I saw in the Arbor WIlds and the final cutscene) willing to accept the reality of god-like elven magisters, etc. I am also at least fairly open to the possibility of a creator god. I believe that even the elves acknowledge that there was a creator god who was not part of the elven pantheon? So I guess you can call that creator god the Maker or whatever you like.

 

Basically, I'll just go with 1) almost anything seems possible now and 2) please make some DLC about this ASAP, BioWare!

[rpgfan321]

 

So you're saying Andraste and the Herald are both like this?

 

 XD oh man. That was a good one!