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[Capone666]

Which way did you all go?

 

Have Mercy or Knife to the throat? 

 

[fizzypop]

I sentenced him to become a grey warden. That he would find his redemption through the blight. But my quizzy agreed with him. His course of action was sound and it was better to let some people die than a whole town trying to save people who had no hope. The merciful thing was to kill them. However, being the leader of a mega power I decided I had to at least take a harder line than letting him off the hook entirely.

[LadyLaLa]

I executed him, a war crime is still a crime

[Reznore57]

He went to some Ferelden jail with me, to be honest I think the best choice is simply to not track him down.

He made a terrible decision at a terrible time .

But letting him walk free ...even if those people were contagious and a threat , he basically drown them like rats...

[Barathos]

"There is no cure for the Blight."

 

If a pandemic is going on the LAST thing you do is drown everybody. Quarantine, yes, but not utterly kill everybody. I executed him for his crimes because they were incredibly unethical and immoral. I only wish you could execute him in the style he killed all of his people: Drowning very, very slowly.

[fizzypop]

But there isn't a cure and it is a disease that slowly takes your mind. It is likely losing someone twice to the enemy. I don't really get how quarantine would be all that helpful. They are still going to die and now it'll be an even slower more painful death. No one would be there for them because they might be at risk of getting the blight too. We all know dying by the blight is said to be one of the most painful things to happen. We see that it is awful enough that at least some people decide to kill those infected with the blight. IDK. If I had too choose between healthy citizens survival and the survival of infected people who were going to die? The former would win out every time. He was a leader, he had to make a hard choice.

[Nyaore]

It's a very grey moral choice and given how the Blight swept through Ferelden in that single year I can't really blame him for making that hard call, I'm not sure I'd even be able to process it if I was in his shoes. Nobody survives the Blight except the Wardens, and panicked townspeople who probably forgot the Blight even existed before darkspawn started pouring out of the wilds aren't going to want to leave people behind. There's always some who are convinced that no matter what, the Blight won't kill their loved ones. They won't be one of 'those people', little more than a statistic in a book to be penned at a later date. He made a hard call I hope nobody ever has to make.

 

However, like Reznore pointed out, they drowned like rats - the healthy and the sick alike as you can be sure there were healthy citizens still in those tunnels when they flooded. Even if it was merciful and kept others from dying, drowning is not a death I would wish on anyone - and you truly have to ask how did he have the right to judge these people? Why couldn't he take a band of survivors away, as there were surely some who agreed staying near the Blighted was wrong, and allow the sickened band to decide their own fates? There is no right answer to this, no matter how pragmatic it was to drown the sick. Worse, it seems like he didn't even knock them out first. So most were fully aware as it happened, at least from what I remember. It's also damn hard to escape a flood.

 

Tl;dr, there's no nice answer for this. 

[Barathos]

But there isn't a cure and it is a disease that slowly takes your mind. It is likely losing someone twice to the enemy. I don't really get how quarantine would be all that helpful. They are still going to die and now it'll be an even slower more painful death. No one would be there for them because they might be at risk of getting the blight too. We all know dying by the blight is said to be one of the most painful things to happen. We see that it is awful enough that at least some people decide to kill those infected with the blight. IDK. If I had too choose between healthy citizens survival and the survival of infected people who were going to die? The former would win out every time. He was a leader, he had to make a hard choice.

It IS different than a typical pandemic / cureable disease, but death by mass drowning both health and plagued? Nope. Execution for you, Mayor.

[fizzypop]

Actually drowning isn't all that bad of a death. Mainly because you fall unconscious before dying. So you kind of just "fall asleep". The thing that actually kills you when you drown is not being able to remove CO2 from your blood. Pressure too if you are too fall below sea level you have to be  quite far down. The scary thing is knowing you are going to die. Fire now that I wouldn't want to die from...dang.

[fizzypop]

It IS different than a typical pandemic / cureable disease, but death by mass drowning both health and plagued? Nope. Execution for you, Mayor.

A few healthy who die because they were too stupid to leave is their own issue. I don't really feel empathy towards dumb people though.

[akabane_k]

exiled him, mostly because I came across a journal entry that basically said if the caves weren't flooded, the whole village probably would have died.

[Nyaore]

Actually drowning isn't all that bad of a death. Mainly because you fall unconscious before dying. So you kind of just "fall asleep". The scary thing is knowing you are going to die. Fire now that I wouldn't want to die from...dang.

Good point, I always read that it's in part fairly painful - particularly if panic sets in. But that was just heresay.

[fizzypop]

Good point, I always read that it's in part fairly painful - particularly if panic sets in. But that was just heresay.

Yeah it isn't so much painful as it is scary. That's why it is considered a bad death, but who really isn't scared to die? Panic and being scared par for the course. The reason we drown is because we can't remove CO2 and other waste from our blood so we eventually die (lack of O2 doesn't help either, but you'd be surprised at how long you can be deprived of that). But you will generally fall unconscious before you get to that stage especially if you panic and inhale water.

[Barathos]

Actually drowning isn't all that bad of a death. Mainly because you fall unconscious before dying. So you kind of just "fall asleep". The thing that actually kills you when you drown is not being able to remove CO2 from your blood. Pressure too if you are too fall below sea level you have to be  quite far down. The scary thing is knowing you are going to die. Fire now that I wouldn't want to die from...dang.

 

... I feel like this goes deeper into a ethical thread of "Have YOU drowned" so I'll just leave it at: Mayor needed to be executed.

[fizzypop]

... I feel like this goes deeper into a ethical thread of "Have YOU drowned" so I'll just leave it at: Mayor needed to be executed.

I actually have drowned myself by accident when I was 10. My uncle saved my life, but I completely remember thinking I was going to die. So I feel okay about commenting on it lol. /cute childhood stories of almost death

[Vormaerin]

I sent him to Ferelden, if I recall correctly.  Wasn't my place to judge him when he's got a Queen to do that.

[Vilegrim]

"There is no cure for the Blight."

 

If a pandemic is going on the LAST thing you do is drown everybody. Quarantine, yes, but not utterly kill everybody. I executed him for his crimes because they were incredibly unethical and immoral. I only wish you could execute him in the style he killed all of his people: Drowning very, very slowly.

 

 

Except the Blight was at the gates, he could save the town if the untainted population would RUN, which they wouldn't with their dying relatives in the caves..slowly turning into darkspawn, who would have eventually attacked the town themselves.  He killed them, which saved everyone else.

 

Some animal epidemics have been ended in a similar way, by shooting all infected animals.   It is incredibly brutal, but with no proper health care system, no protective clothing, an invading ravening horde on the way who the infected will join, what other choice which leaves any survivors was their?

[Abaddon_86]

I sent him to the Wall... ehr, Deep Roads/Grey Wardens.

Give him something to do for the greater good at least. Also the Wardens need every body they can get now.

[l7986]

I sentenced him to become a grey warden. That he would find his redemption through the blight. But my quizzy agreed with him. His course of action was sound and it was better to let some people die than a whole town trying to save people who had no hope. The merciful thing was to kill them. However, being the leader of a mega power I decided I had to at least take a harder line than letting him off the hook entirely.

You can sentence him to become a Grey Warden? How?

[pablosplinter]

People saying he saved the town... It's like 3 huts and 8 NPCs!

How can drowning innocent people be considered 'morally grey'?!

[ZipZap2000]

The only guy I had executed. Herding refugees into caves and drowning them just in case demanded nothing less. "They all had the blight....Mostly"

[Abaddon_86]

You can sentence him to become a Grey Warden? How?

 

 

Probably only with the respective Dialogue Inq perk.

[OdanUrr]

Give him to the Wardens. Best sentence ever.

 

In order to have that option, however, you need to finish the Grey Wardens quest.

[l7986]

Probably only with the respective Dialogue Inq perk.

I have all of them and just did his sentencing a few minutes ago and no option for that showed up.

[Eterna]

The only guy I had executed. Herding refugees into caves and drowning them just in case demanded nothing less. "They all had the blight....Mostly"

 

If you took the time to read journal entries you'd realize that if he hadn't done that everybody would have died as the Darkspawn were going to use the tunnels as a way to attack the village. 

 

Sacrifice the sick and dying to save the many? Sounds justifiable to me, especially when you are trying to survive an end of the world event like the blight.