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[jlb524]

HAWKE BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS THE ONLY ONE IN ALL CAPS

[Pokemario]

I do miss the warden but I don't want him back, they might mess up how he looks( he might even come back as a human not an elf mage)

 

BioWare would never do that IMHO.

[Gothfather]

How does one answer this question? So much of our enjoyment with a character is tied to the game or vehicle the character was delivered in, and our biases on how we want our RPGs to present characters. For myself i have been perfectly okay with giving SOME agency of my character to an actor if it means I get more sophisticated characterization and stories in my games. Other people hate this trend so for them their answer will be tied to this alone.

 

i loved Hawked but hated DA2, I loved DA:O but hated how lifeless the warden was. I really like my Inquisitor but really don't like that for the most part my race is meaningless to the story. If my race really doesn't matter at all I would have preferred them to not add them and instead have spent all the art, and animation man-hours getting the different races to work in giving us better customization in the character creator and better diversity of personality in the voice acting. I think there is a reason why Shepard and Hawke are such well developed characters and a lot of emphasis on their diversity is placed on their possible personalities. The lack of racial diversity forces the developers to put more effort into characterization to generate diversity. Its easy to have the appearance of diversity with different races but i didn't find the warden all that diverse compared to Hawke. Sure the origin story was diverse one from the other, but after that it was more token responses no real meat of the story was different. Yet with Hawke i honestly felt like the world in general treated me different depending on which hawke I played. Even if that feeling was an illusion it still works because I feel that my Shepards and Hawkes are more diverse than my wardens and inquisitors. I honestly feel like my race in inquisition is just the human Inquisitor in an a elf suit, or dwarf suit or Qunari suit.

 

So in short i like the different characters for different reasons. With the least favourite being the Warden even though I think Origins is the best game of the series.

[Sarahthewriter]

Warden will always be my favourite, despite her lack of voice actress, because I connected best with the character. I liked her story (dalish elf main) and I imagined how she would sound and react in situations. She was strong, selfless and beautiful.

 

I also like the Inquisitor and then Hawke. But after seeing Hawke in Inquisition I like her a bit more too, even if she does look different (I just couldn't get here to look as good). Though I totally agree with everyone who has said that Hawke female made an awesome rogue- so much yes! 

 

Hmm...maybe I'm too agreeable. I really do like them all in different ways

[Shadeling]

Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke

 

If it hadn't been for Inquisition, I wouldn't have even bothered to play DA2 at all because I'd completely given up on Bioware after EA entered the picture.  So after receiving DA:I for Christmas and finding myself pleasantly surprised, I bought DA2 dirt cheap (voting with your wallet ftw!) and it wasn't long into DA2 when I knew I'd see the game to the end but I wouldn't be playing it again and that's mainly because of Hawke.   I don't want to play EAware's character with a few scant differentiating choices to make one 'Hawke' seem slightly different from the next 'Hawke'.  I want to create my own character as I did in Origins.  The Mass Effect formula doesn't work for me with Dragon Age.   Sorry EA! 

[Majestic Jazz]

Warden > Hawke > The Care Bears > Barney > Some random pink balloon > The Inquistor

 

[Shadeling]

Warden > Hawke > The Care Bears > Barney > Some random pink balloon > The Inquistor

 

 

Interesting use of pointedly passive-aggressive filler for indicating your supposed superiority over those who dare to prefer the Inquisitor over the Dragon Effect Hawke.  Opinions are like what again?? The word escapes me, atm.....

[CathyMe]

I think it's a tie between lady inquisitor lavellan and lady hawke (but quizzie wins because of sumalee's VA, not that Jo isn't great), while fem!tabris' origin was awesome she is ultimately a mute cardboard cutout, in other words, the lack of voice acting kills it for me.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I found that DAO did a much better job of letting me play a coward, or a self-interested misanthrope.

DA2 forced me to play a hero. I could chose whether to make her a reluctant hero, but she was still a hero.

DAI does encourage heroism more than DAO did, but it doesn't force it ot me to the degree that DA2 did.

Warden>Inquisitor>>>Hawke

[Darkly Tranquil]

I found that DAO did a much better job of letting me play a coward, or a self-interested misanthrope.
DA2 forced me to play a hero. I could chose whether to make her a reluctant hero, but she was still a hero.
DAI does encourage heroism more than DAO did, but it doesn't force it ot me to the degree that DA2 did.
Warden>Inquisitor>>>Hawke

It's interesting you say that about Hawke, because I always felt Hawke either stumbled or got railroaded into most of his/her heroic exploits. Hawke mostly seemed to be just trying to get by and earn a living, but because everyone in Kirkwall was either stupid or insane, it ended up falling to Hawke to get anything done. I always felt that Hawke's legendary heroism was almost entirely a fabrication found in Varric's book.

Personally, I felt far more forced to play the "goody-two-shoes" hero in Inquisition than in either of the first two.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's interesting you say that about Hawke, because I always felt Hawke either stumbled or got railroaded into most of his/her heroic exploits. Hawke mostly seemed to be just trying to get by and earn a living, but because everyone in Kirkwall was either stupid or insane, it ended up falling to Hawke to get anything done. I always felt that Hawke's legendary heroism was almost entirely a fabrication found in Varric's book.

Personally, I felt far more forced to play the "goody-two-shoes" hero in Inquisition than in either of the first two.

Hawke is arguably a tragic hero, but I don't see any way to avoid having Hawke attempt to do heroic things for heroic reasons.

[KaiserShep]

Eh, you're forced to be a hero in all of them, just with different degrees of jerkiness if you so chose. Origins allowed you to be a murderous scoundrel, but you were still a heroic leader no matter what you did.

[Domiel Angelus]

When it comes down to it, I prefer the Warden, my slightly shorter but massively awesome Elven Warrior Warden with his trusty Mabari at his side.

 

The Warden gets far better powers and he could swap between gear far easier so it makes him the most competent member of the cast. He's a Warrior that has four weapon options and six specializations to back him up; six specializations that he can get three of if he so wishes, four if you exploit the bug for The Witch Hunt. I was also able to put my voice into my hero, having the voice actor was nice but it felt less and less like my hero when someone else was reading the dialogue. They also had to give you full sentences for what the Warden was saying because he didn't talk, so you didn't get a short blurb and then end up with a soliloquy or some long winded answer that has nothing to do with what you picked in the first place.  He also gets a very good cast of companions that includes Dog which puts him head and shoulders above Hawke for me. He even gets the fun part of doing the dance with no pants with Isabela and possibly another person; and he doesn't even have to deal in romancing her. 

 

When the Warrior lost his ability to use a bow, the hero automatically felt far less powerful and then they gave Hawke a voice and most of his exploits as Darkly Tranquil pointed out are forced upon him. @Slyvius, he is tragic because Hawke shows that the his path as a hero was completely futile. It isn't just the ending that is the powder keg of the Mage/Templar war exploding, but its also that you can't change Anders no matter how you handle him, and you can do the Necromancer+Apprentice quest any of the six ways but your mother still ends up dead. The Warden only has one major plot point that is forced upon him (or her), the Joining. They also show what happens without him (or her) via the Darkspawn Chronicles, the world ends and everyone falls to the Archdemon.  The best thing that Hawke has going for him is the ability to make his companions love him or love to hate him; which can cause them to open up very unique plot points that involve rivalry or friendship. Hawke's companions have one giant thing over the other companions and that's the person specific specialization trees. 

 

The Inquisitor lost his identity entirely when they inflicted a pre-set back story that you never really get to do anything with. He also has the lowest packet of powers and can't even be snarky. The Inquisitor should have just been called Paladin because he's the Boy Scout of the series. He has decent powers that only he gets, but his companions lose all those super awesome "I get this because I'm _____" that Hawke's companions got. Rift Mage should have been Solas only, and the Inquisitor could have gotten something that was like it but not as awesome. He also doesn't get any buffs from picking a spec like Hawke or the Warden, and he only gets one. 

 

If you can't tell Warden (+Dog)  >   Hawke (Even though I don't like DA 2 as much as I probably should) > Inquisitor (Because he has to be somewhere)

[PhroXenGold]

 

When the Warrior lost his ability to use a bow, the hero automatically felt far less powerful and then they gave Hawke a voice and most of his exploits as Darkly Tranquil pointed out are forced upon him. @Slyvius, he is tragic because Hawke shows that the his path as a hero was completely futile. It isn't just the ending that is the powder keg of the Mage/Templar war exploding, but its also that you can't change Anders no matter how you handle him, and you can do the Necromancer+Apprentice quest any of the six ways but your mother still ends up dead.

 

Now personally, those are pretty much the reason why I think Hawke is far and away the best DA protagonist. The fact that what he does is fuitile, the fact that he can't change anything no matter how hard he tries, the fact that he has little choice in what he does, these things make him seem so much more believable, more human, than either of the other two, becasue that's how the world is. You don't chose your fate. You don't save everyone. People don't change simply because you want them to. You don't succeed simply because you want to. And for me it was a brilliant breath of fresh air to be playing a character like than rather than another "do whatever you want and save the world because you're the hero" guy.

[esper]

Eh, my Hawke is definitly the least the heroic of all three characters.

 

My warden is lazy, and always takes the easiest way out, but ultimately wants to help and do good.

 

My Hawke started out idealistic, but like all tragic heroes she fell hard, By act 3 she is full on revolutenary. If you are not a mage or agree 100 procent with her and her methods, you better run fast. Really fast. She knows that the one Things she is good at is killing people and intend to use it.

 

My Inqusitors story is not ended yet, but she is very dutybound and so tend to do dutiful Things. She is very, very, close to snapping though,

[Domiel Angelus]

Now personally, those are pretty much the reason why I think Hawke is far and away the best DA protagonist. The fact that what he does is fuitile, the fact that he can't change anything no matter how hard he tries, the fact that he has little choice in what he does, these things make him seem so much more believable, more human, than either of the other two, becasue that's how the world is. You don't chose your fate. You don't save everyone. People don't change simply because you want them to. You don't succeed simply because you want to. And for me it was a brilliant breath of fresh air to be playing a character like than rather than another "do whatever you want and save the world because you're the hero" guy.

 

Yes, but if I wanted to deal with the futility of my actions would I be playing a fantasy game? No, I'd go out to a bar to be shot down by everyone woman I try to interact with. There's enough futility in the real world and games are most peoples way to detach themselves from that for a short period of time. Hawke isn't that believable either because whenever someone got crapped on in DA 2, it was Hawke. When he's running away from the Blight its his class that decides to which of his siblings dies, he can't save his mother and his other sibling still has a chance to die because they either want them to die or be 'forced' into servitude by one of the three factions that will later all be at war and at least two will be working against you. It doesn't even matter which side of the War you decide to fight for because Meredith will always go bat S(%# crazy and Orsino always goes to Blood Magic. 

 

For example: even Silent Hill games which the protagonist is most likely to die horribly there is a chance to succeed and save the world. 

 

There's no reason to pick up a game that has 0% of success, Mass Effect 2 actually handled the chance of failure better based on the fact that you can succeed if you plan accordingly. Its why I only played the game a limited number of times because after trying every avenue and still going "Well war breaks out and we're left with a cliff hanger for the next game" it got stale quick. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Now personally, those are pretty much the reason why I think Hawke is far and away the best DA protagonist. The fact that what he does is fuitile, the fact that he can't change anything no matter how hard he tries, the fact that he has little choice in what he does, these things make him seem so much more believable, more human, than either of the other two, becasue that's how the world is. You don't chose your fate. You don't save everyone. People don't change simply because you want them to. You don't succeed simply because you want to. And for me it was a brilliant breath of fresh air to be playing a character like than rather than another "do whatever you want and save the world because you're the hero" guy.

My problem with Hawke isn't that she doesn't succeed; it's that she had to try in the first place. The game forces her on mandatory quests with little or no justification beyond trying to help people who've asked for help.

That's the forced heroism to which I'm objecting.

DAO and DAI do a much better job of permitting headcanon non-heroic motives, and even non-heroic actions. And even a heroic Warden has more options regarding what sort of hero to be. I don't recall any choices in DA2 that resemble something like letting Redcliffe be destroyed because it's the smart thing to do (whereas, DAO explicitly permits that, as Sten argues for it).

Worse still, because we don't control Hawke's motives, Hawke is never my character. She's nothing more than an NPC, and I don't have any particular interest in her welfare (I felt the same way about Shepard).

My relationship to my character should more closely resemble my relationship to myself than it does my relationship to other people. Other people are not my character.

[pdusen]

Despite their choices not mattering at all (that was a DA2 problem, not a character one), I think Hawke was my favorite. Then the Inquisitor, then the Warden.

 

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the role-playing opportunities that I had with the warden (particularly to be a power-hungry, bloodthirsty madman out for Howe's blood), but again, not having those in DAI was a DAI problem, not a character one.

[Darkly Tranquil]

My problem with Hawke isn't that she doesn't succeed; it's that she had to try in the first place. The game forces her on mandatory quests with little or no justification beyond trying to help people who've asked for help.
That's the forced heroism to which I'm objecting.

When is Hawke forced to be heroic? Can you give some examples? From my perspective, it seems like Hawke mostly does things to get paid or to deal with things that effect his/her personal or business interests. About the most "heroic" thing Hawke is forced to do is deal with the Qunari, and Hawke is pressed into that by the Viscount initially and is then pulled along by the chain of events. Right up to the end point, Hawke still has the option of being an ass and handing Isabella over to resolve the matter. From my point of view, there is little to no "white knight" heroism in Hawke's story unless you choose to play it that way; you can easily play Hawke as a self-serving jerk if you want to.

[Liadan]

Tough choice, but i think my favorite is still the Warden. So for me is Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke.

[Domiel Angelus]

When is Hawke forced to be heroic? Can you give some examples? From my perspective, it seems like Hawke mostly does things to get paid or to deal with things that effect his/her personal or business interests. About the most "heroic" thing Hawke is forced to do is deal with the Qunari, and Hawke is pressed into that by the Viscount initially and is then pulled along by the chain of events. Right up to the end point, Hawke still has the option of being an ass and handing Isabella over to resolve the matter. From my point of view, there is little to no "white knight" heroism in Hawke's story unless you choose to play it that way; you can easily play Hawke as a self-serving jerk if you want to.

 

The ending he's forced into being the hero, he can't just walk away and say "Let Kirkwall burn" after all of the stuff he's done to keep the city together; its going to end up crap anyhow and he is forced into persisting. A self-serving jerk as you put it would say "There's no money in finishing this" and leave with the accumulated riches he's acquired and be off like the wind. 

 

They turn Anders into a narrative device and given that kind of answer I wanted my Hawke to just have the option to walk away from it all, toss his hands up and say "Nope, I'm too old for this s$#)" or something similar. By the time this comes up, at least one of his siblings is dead (if you didn't like Anders and one of them caught the Blight then both), your mother is dead, you've already done everything you could to help either Mages or Templars and its all been tossed under the bus by a guy that wants to be a Martyr and would be if you kill him. 

 

Meredith is always going to use that sword and Orsino is always going to use Blood Magic, Hawke could easily have just said "I'm out" and let the whole city destroy itself from the inside. If he had most likely all parties in question would have been dead or gone into hiding and people would have tossed it up to an "Act of the Maker" or something similar. Plus since only Hawke's party and a limited number of survivors would have been privy to the truth you'd have little to no one to refute it being so, even then would anyone really admit to what occurred? It would have also given us better enemies to deal with beyond Corypheus (the last resort) because as I said previously people could have gone into hiding. Instead of dealing with just Sampson, Calpernia and Corypheus you could be dealing with the remaining Templars and Mages of Kirkwall, as well as their respective leader.

 

It would be an amazing sub-plot dealing with Varric and finding out just how much of his story is true, because mostly people only know about it because of hearsay and Varric's Book; it would also open up a very interesting number of scenes where Cullen as one of the last sane Templars of Kirkwall that knows the truth of it gets to rip into Hawke like nobody's business. 

 

Edited one line to make it more logical <-

[DarkKnightHolmes]

MFW when I see Warden has more than 50% votes.

 

[Kroitz]

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

The Warden >>>>> The Inquisitor >>>>>>>>> Hawke for me.

 

Like DarkKnightHolmes has pointed out, I also don't care if the character has a voice or not, and I don't care if my Warden didn't say something funny/sarcastic every ten seconds. I actually feel like I was in the game, and my Warden represents me in a way. Sure, I still have fun playing humorous/sarcastic Hawke, but I have zero attachment to her, and I feel like she's nothing more than a special npc I manipulate throughout her story. 

 

 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Hawke >Trevelyan > Cousland