So this is apparently a translation of what's said to him
Dirth ma, harellan- Tell me, trickster or traitor..
Ma banal enasalin. Mar solas ena mar din- are you greatful to be able to whitstand your loss...perhaps or pride, i d say loss
Solas responds: , banal nadas, which means nothing is certain
Rather interesting
Please tell me, where do you get the translation for the elven language from the game? I often thought/hoped BW would include as a subtitle translation.
Please tell me, where do you get the translation for the elven language from the game? I often thought/hoped BW would include as a subtitle translation.
You dont get it in the game unfortunately, although it would be spoilers. Someone on youtube comment translated it based on what words are known
Some people really have too much time at their hands.
what elven language does bioware use? is it an already established one like something from tolken or did they make their own?
Some people really have too much time at their hands.
Decoding it straight out would be impossible. Information had to be given somewhere, and since he most likely just looked it up I doubt it took more than 15 minutes.
If there is a Dragon Age Elven Tongue dictionary, then you might as well apply what I said to the guy responsible instead. 
what elven language does bioware use? is it an already established one like something from tolken or did they make their own?
They made it up. Just like Qunlat and the old Tevniter language. http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language
I wonder if anyone can read the runes on the papers though?
As I recall, they hired a linguist (or more than one) to create the languages for the game. Its been a long time since I looked into it, and I might be recalling incorrectly though.
They made it up. Just like Qunlat and the old Tevniter language. http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language
I wonder if anyone can read the runes on the papers though?
see now i don't get this, i can't find anything other then a hand full of words from the game(s) certainly no rules for sentence structure or a dictionary with which to sight translations. with next to no toolsets how can people be sure they are translating it even remotely correctly? especially considering no official translations have been established for the vast majority of words?
for one they make the assumption that the language is archaic simply because its old and fragmented, which if wrong undermine much of the translations
for example one the greeting translation seems to be wrong. as it references a place, even though the greeting can be uttered by the person visiting to the tenant of the abode contextually making no sense. it makes much more sense that it focuses on the people not where they are.
see now i don't get this, i can't find anything other then a hand full of words from the game(s) certainly no rules for sentence structure or a dictionary with which to sight translations. with next to no toolsets how can people be sure they are translating it even remotely correctly? especially considering no official translations have been established for the vast majority of words?
for one they make the assumption that the language is archaic simply because its old and fragmented, which if wrong undermine much of the translations
for example one the greeting translation seems to be wrong. as it references a place, even though the greeting can be uttered by the person visiting to the tenant of the abode contextually making no sense. it makes much more sense that it focuses on the people not where they are.
No idea, but apparently Patrick Weekes may provide a translation if its non spoilery
This is really interesting, I was wondering what was said there since I also brought him with me on that mission. I guess it was a good thing we didn't know Dalish, that's quite a spoiler. Then again if you were playing an elf you would think the inquisitor would understand and question him.
what elven language does bioware use? is it an already established one like something from tolken or did they make their own?
They use an artificial language, and it does not have anything to do with Quenya. While it does look better than, let's say, twi'lek 'speech' from SW, I doubt they have it same detailed as JRRT's languages . Simply because Tolkien had spent most of his life polishing and describing those rules, designing the runes, thinking of pronunciations etc. That's not something easily achieved.
Although, David Gaider had mentioned that they have a huge codex base for their private use. May be it even includes some sort of the Elven dictionary.
So far the only translation I've seen was for 'Leliana's song', plus a handful of commonly used words. Doesn't 'World of Thedas' have something like that? Because even the common LotR and Silmarillion editions usually have a tiny dictionary and\or references.
So the subtitles won't translate the conversation in the Fade? Seems odd for Dalish Inquisitiors. It's not like the Exalted Marches where you're sort of eavesdropping on a private conversation.
I suppose they didnt translate the fade to keep from spoiling the big reveal. After all what Cole says to Solas only makes sense in context
I wish if you played as an elf it would translate the elven subtitles to English for me.
I might be getting this wrong but I swore when I played through on my first playthrough when you end Solas's misson where you find the spirit of pride it speaks untranslated elven. But then when I played as a female elven mage I understood the spirit as it spoke to solas.
Does anyone remember if you are not a elf if it isnt translated because I suddenly find myself curious.
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Dirth ma, harellan- Tell me, trickster or traitor..
Ma banal enasalin. Mar solas ena mar din- are you greatful to be able to whitstand your loss...perhaps or pride, i d say loss
Solas responds: , banal nadas, which means nothing is certain
Impressive work, all I have to say.
oookay, but... what does it mean? Meesa not understand. ^^
So the subtitles won't translate the conversation in the Fade? Seems odd for Dalish Inquisitiors. It's not like the Exalted Marches where you're sort of eavesdropping on a private conversation.
Spoiler
I might be getting this wrong but I swore when I played through on my first playthrough when you end Solas's misson where you find the spirit of pride it speaks untranslated elven. But then when I played as a female elven mage I understood the spirit as it spoke to solas.
Does anyone remember if you are not a elf if it isnt translated because I suddenly find myself curious.
I suppose they didnt translate the fade to keep from spoiling the big reveal. After all what Cole says to Solas only makes sense in context
It doesn't translate for the Dalish Inquisitor because they are speaking the language of Arlathan, not Dalish. Dalish don't know all of their original language, most of it in fact they do not know. The Dalish tongue consists of phrases and bits and pieces that have been put back together, but it is no where near the original language of the elves. When Tevinter conquered them-after whomever destroyed Arlathan, they were enslaved for so long they lost all of their culture including their language.
It doesn't translate for the Dalish Inquisitor because they are speaking the language of Arlathan, not Dalish. Dalish don't know all of their original language, most of it in fact they do not know. The Dalish tongue consists of phrases and bits and pieces that have been put back together, but it is no where near the original language of the elves. When Tevinter conquered them-after whomever destroyed Arlathan, they were enslaved for so long they lost all of their culture including their language.
Ooh good explanation
If anything given that languages and words in them can change over time as well be being influenced by other languages around them Dalish would likely sound like counterdicting gibberish to any one who did speak the Arlathan tongue. That's without going into the fact of different dialects of the language and that Arlathan might have had for all we know a separate language for the ruling class.
If anything given that languages and words in them can change over time as well be being influenced by other languages around them Dalish would likely sound like counterdicting gibberish to any one who did speak the Arlathan tongue. That's without going into the fact of different dialects of the language and that Arlathan might have had for all we know a separate language for the ruling class.
that reminds of a thought i had, we know solas doesn't know everything and i got to thinking, for slaves to walk in temples and what not........... what if solas is both right and wrong.
what if from his perspective the dalish facial markings are nothing more then slave markings.
but we know from what solas said the "gods" forced their slaves to fight for them do this do that.
what if the slaves really didn't view their relationship as slavery, what if serving the god's was an honour that the markings really were a point of pride? (like how in stargate people are full on devout to their masters believe them gods and happily die for them, despite the snake things not giving a damn about any of them)
what if the real reason that solas says "they are not my people" is that the dalish are actually descendant mostly from ancient elf slaves?
this is why they got so many things wrong they didn't just loose knowledge its knowledge they never really had, just stories told to them from the perspective of believing their leaders were gods.
and bits and pieces they picked up from ruins that combined their old slave culture with that of the ancient elves. what if solas and his people really were SOB's?
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