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[Rencor2k]

So this is apparently a translation of what's said to him

 

Rather interesting

When you complete the game, you'll know.

[Kantr]

When you complete the game, you'll know.

I have completed the game

[Rixkey]

What I always find curious is that a Lavellan inquisitor,isn't able to question Solas after the quest.
I understand that the Dalish don't speak elvhen as fluently as Solas does but you'd guess she/he could make some words out of the sentence like the word Harellan.

 

Well, it might be something like when you've got people who who ostensibly speak the same language, but it's miracles if any of them understand each other. Like the Irish to the rest of the English-speaking population when they get excited and forget they're talking to a foreigner and/or are deliberately messing with your head. Sure, the words make sense. Well. Most of the words. Most of the words make sense. If someone asked you what a word meant you could probably tell them just fine, but then they try to string them together and it's like? I? Know? That was sentence? There was a structure there of some sort? I assume it made sense? All the words are familiar but then you put them together and I? Don't? Know? What you're talking about? I know you're talking about a street but why are you calling it a brothrin. What is a bothrin. That is a street, right? What is a street. Do I even know what a street is. I'm beginning to doubt my existence. Are we language or is the language us. This is not my beautiful home. This is not my beautiful wife. What am I. What are you. What is this place. WHAT IS GOING ON. I SWEAR I WAS FLUENT IN THIS LANGUAGE TWO SECONDS AGO.

 

And then they laugh at you. 

 

It has to be infinitely worse when you only have a mild grasp of the language as-is. So, on a more serious note: It's possible a Dalish Inquisitor managed to follow a couple words of that, but maybe the sentence structure was archaic or unfamiliar and threw them off, or context made words that should have made sense really confusing, or they were using a form of the language the Dalish don't know, like Japanese keigo or something, and by the end they weren't sure what they heard. 

[ShepardCousland]

Thanks for the translation, I was wondering about this. Elf or no, you should at least be able to ask Solas what they said to each other. He could simply lie or avoid the question, spoiler averted.

[ColloquialAnachron]

I'm going to propose an alternate translation.

 

Nightmare:  

"Dirth ma harrelan, ma banal enasal in? Mar solas'ena mar din."  - - "Tell me, traitor, are you pleased with the oncoming isolation? Their stand here now means their destruction."

 

Solas:

"Banal nadas" - Nothing is inevitable.

 

The liberties I took with translation are as follows (I'm only going to explain the second and third sentences as I agree with standing translations of Nightmare's initial statement and with the translation of Solas's response).  

 

I translated the second sentence as "Are you pleased with the oncoming isolation??" for two central reasons.  One is that Solas's biggest fear is being alone, and the demon has mocked each of the companions with their personal fears and doubts.  It makes sense that Nightmare would taunt Solas with both his past and potential future failings.  While the literal translation would be "Are you happy with emptiness?" I think one can and should go beyond the literal in translations in order to make the words both make sense, and flow comfortably.

 

Since DA's Elvhen doesn't appear to have a dative, and Ma can mean My, mine, or you, I defined Mar here as meaning "Their." Other possible translations of the Mar are to make it "Ma'ar and attach it to a noun which then makes that noun a verb, creating a I ___ you, so Ma'arlath, pronounced "MAR lath" means I love you.  I didn't think "I pride you/I am proud of you" made sense for a terror demon, and threats to kill aren't made with Ma'ardin but rather Na'din.  Thus, I ended up with "Their stand here now means their destruction."  This is Nightmare's second threat, meaning Solas will lose his new friends and have failed yet again.

 

I think Solas's response, given his attitude, deserves a bit more thought in possible meanings.  Solas could be defiantly rebuffing Nightmare by stating that there is nothing in the world that is inevitable.  However, he could also be turning the taunt around on Nightmare, stating that Oblivion/Nothingness is a state that all creatures must eventually face, including Solas, but certainly including Nightmare.  To me, this explains Nightmare's laughter far better.

[DarkSpiral]

wow 

 

The only thing I can do is like the post.  I wish I could give you some kind of bling for your avatar.  That was great!

[ColloquialAnachron]

wow 

 

The only thing I can do is like the post.  I wish I could give you some kind of bling for your avatar.  That was great!

 

Hey, thanks very much! 

[DarkSpiral]

You don't happen to have a proposed translation for "Ma Halani, Ma Glandival.  Vir Enasalin," do you?

 

Its what he says to the Dalish elf that tags along on the quest "Measuring the Veil," which introduces veilfire, veilfire runes, and the elven artifacts that you can activate across all corners of Thedas.

 

I cobbled a translation of his first statement to her, before the cave: he's accusing her of not being truthful.  But the DA wiki didn't have some of the words listed above.

[ColloquialAnachron]

You don't happen to have a proposed translation for "Ma Halani, Ma Glandival.  Vir Enasalin," do you?

 

Its what he says to the Dalish elf that tags along on the quest "Measuring the Veil," which introduces veilfire, veilfire runes, and the elven artifacts that you can activate across all corners of Thedas.

 

I cobbled a translation of his first statement to her, before the cave: he's accusing her of not being truthful.  But the DA wiki didn't have some of the words listed above.

 

 I don't at present.  I've just spent two hours trying to figure it out, and part of my problem is that, after finding a video, I'm certain the person transcribing/writing the subtitles was not given "proper" Elvhen.  I'm positive Glandival needs to be broken up, at least to Glande'val, I'm almost certain Halani needs to be broken into Ha'lani, etc.  I'm fairly sure the last statement is simply "The Way of Unburdened Freedoms." (Again poetic license, it's literally The Way of Joys of Relief[s]), it basically seems that the keys are the first two statements, as the final statement is basically Solas saying, "Unburden yourself, you don't really want or need that, and we do."

 

EDIT:  And given that his first statement to Mihris is an unmitigated threat "Fear me, little girl." I think it's safe to assume that there's more than a hint of the problems she might face should she refuse to hand over the amulet,

[DarkSpiral]

EDIT:  And given that his first statement to Mihris is an unmitigated threat "Fear me, little girl." I think it's safe to assume that there's more than a hint of the problems she might face should she refuse to hand over the amulet,

 

LOL!

 

Is it really?  Hilarious. 

[OldSwede]

Oh how nice, ColloquialAnachron. That is truly a lot of work! Wow! Thank you!

 

I might be getting this wrong but I swore when I played through on my first playthrough when you end Solas's misson where you find the spirit of pride it speaks untranslated elven. But then when I played as a female elven mage I understood the spirit as it spoke to solas.

 

Does anyone remember if you are not a elf if it isnt translated because I suddenly find myself curious.

 

 

That particular part does translate for a female (romanced only, I do not know?) elf.

Edit:  Ooops, sorry. I read your post complete wrong, GREYSpartan1   Ha ha ha, now I read it again, and it seems I wasn't wrong. (I'm rired, Sorry - blushing)

 

Here is a youtube link [Spoilert Alert...obviously] with subtitles, in Solas personal quest:

http://youtu.be/LvJP8mXYlOA

 

and here is a link for the whole romance part (that the player have caught)

[Many Many Spoilers in this one]

http://www.youtube.c...Nbktaqw9mL5yqOa

 

I am not much of a help, myself, but maybe in that link above (the whole romance list) it may help with some translation? Maybe?

[Hecari]

I actually think this isn't the Nightmare trying to mess with Solas as far as his fears. I think it more translates into:

I tell you, Trickster. Your isolation is (was) a blessing. They stand, and they will lose.

"Ma" has a wide range of uses and I think in the first part it is a taunt, flaunting that he knows. Then saying Solas should have stayed out of it, that they are doomed to fail. Then Solas replies that:

"Nothing is certain (inevitable)."

[Ammomonkey]

I have also seen other translations.

 

FEAR DEMON: ”Dirth ma, Harellan. Ma banal enasalin. Mar Solas ena mar din.”

 

"Tell me, Dread Wolf. My "Banal" gift. Mar Solas appear/emerge Mar is not/is dead."

 

I think it means something along the lines of: "Tell me, Dread Wolf/Dread-like friend. With my gift I can see your origin/I can see you are nothing. You appear as Solas but Solas does not exist/is dead."

 

SOLAS: Banal Nadas

 

Banal Inevitable. “Its inevitable that they will find out my origin” ?? Or “Its inevitable youd know my origin”

http://sadvillains.t...n-shit-spoilers

 

_______

 

"Tell me, Dread wolf. How do you like your gift of nothing? Solas, you appear not."

http://forum.bioware...poilers/page-80

 

Not sure which is correct.

[Kantr]

Solas usually translates to pride.

 

Has Patrick Weekes provided a translation yet?

[Kantr]

[Lestatman]

Can I just give a massive Kudos to all those who have interpreted the Solas Elven language sections in the game as I've completed the game 3 times now and have always wondered what was being said when Solas was in the Fade and speaking to the spirit at the end of his personal quest.  I wish there was a way in game or in the options to have the actual translation in game for those of us who have completed the game and that nothing would spoil things for us since we know the ending.

 

Again a huge thanks to you all for the translations.

[Fyreangel]

http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language

 

 

 

• Ir abelas, ma vhenan (eer-ah-be-las ma ve-nan): "I am filled with sorrow for your loss, my heart."

• Ir tel'him (eer tel-HEEM): "I'm me again."^[11] However, a more literal translation would be: "I'm not transforming anymore." See "Deconstructing Elvish" for more details.

• Ma ghilana mir din'an (mah geeh-LAH-nah meer deen-AHN): Guide me into death.^[11]

• Ma melava halani (mah meh-LAH-vah hah-LAH-nee): You helped me.^[11]

• Mala suledin nadas (mah-lah soo-leh-DEEN nah-DAS): Now you must endure.^[11]

• Ma nuvenin (mah noo-VEY-nihn): As you wish.^[12]

• Ma vhenan (ma ve-nan): My heart (a term of endearment).

• Ma serannas (ma SEHR-ahn-ahs): My thanks (Thank you.).

Spoken by the Spirit of Wisdom to Solas during the quest, All New, Faded for Her

[Fyreangel]

oops deleted -- same already above

[JasonandSarah]

After looking at the Elvhen dictionary as well as the translated phrases they provide on Dragon Age Wiki, I tried to morph a direct translation into more colloquial English phrasing (yes, I made up the word "notness" for this situation, it seemed fitting).  This is what I came up with for the translation:

 

"Dirth ma, Harellan. Ma banal enasalin. Mar Solas ena mar din."

 

Evolution of translation:

Tell/speak (of secrets) my, traitor/trickster. My/mine/you nothing/not/no victory/gift. Your pride appears/emerges/reveals your notness/death/meaninglessness.

 

Speak (of secrets) me, Traitor. You have no victory. Your pride emerges your death/notness.

 

I speak of your secrets, Traitor. You are without victory. From your pride will emerge your death/downfall.

 

 

Which ultimately lead me to this: 

 

I speak of your secrets, Traitor. You will fail. Your pride will be your undoing.

 

 

 

Since the fear demon is playing on everyone's fears, this seems to fit.  Also, I don't think the first phrase is, "Tell me," since that's the start of a question and the demon isn't asking a question, he's making a statement. I think the demon is the one doing the telling.

 

 

 

"Banal Nadas."

 

Nothing is inevitable.

 

 

 

 

This is where logophilia and geekiness collide.  Huzzah! 

[JasonandSarah]

I speak of your secrets, Traitor. You will fail. Your pride will be your undoing.

 

 

 

Since the fear demon is playing on everyone's fears, this seems to fit.  Also, I don't think the first phrase is, "Tell me," since that's the start of a question and the demon isn't asking a question, he's making a statement. I think the demon is the one doing the telling.

 

 

I would add: 

Spoiler

Since we (ultimately) know that Solas was and is trying to accomplish something, failure is his biggest fear.  Yes, his fade-grave said "dying alone," however, he is already alone.  For him, to be alone is to be without his people.  His fear is that he'll die before he gets the chance to restore them, thus failing at his mission.  And since, at that point, he still didn't know what had become of his precious orb, the prospect of failure weighed heavily on him.

Also, anyone consider the fact that "Solas" is not his real name, and how that fits into the pride demon's taunt?  Clearly, in the end, we find out the name by which he is widely referred, i.e. Fen'Harel, but my assumption is that he gave himself the name Solas as part personal reminder, part self punishment.  "Solas" means pride or arrogance, but also can have a connotation of standing tall.  I think in his attempts to "stand tall" for his people, he saw that it was really his arrogance that prevailed.  Thus, he named himself Solas.  When he tells Abelas, "I hope you find a new name," he's saying it as much to himself as to Abelas.  He wants to complete his mission and find a new name - perhaps restore himself to his real name the way he wants to restore his people. 

 

The fear demon knows who he is, and uses two of his names to taunt him:  First, "Harellan," which is trickster/traitor and is a reference to Fen'Harel - this a name that Solas would reject the way he rejects all of the "fragments of fragments" put forth by the Dalish.  The fear demon probably said that just to ****** him off.  Second, the fear demon knows that Solas is also not his real name, which is why he uses that particular word as part of the taunt.  I think the fact that the demon intentionally omits whatever his real name was is particularlly sad, as though to emphasize the fact that Solas is no longer who he was, but only what his false names entitle; an arrogant traitor.

Also, I do think his response is a simple "nothing is inevitable," simply because everyone responds in a similar way.  Solas gives his own brief retort, which is meant more to reassure himself than to tell off the demon.

[DragonNerd]

Alright everyone. Put on your tinfoil hats, because here's my crazy theory. I made up my own translation using the wiki. 

 

It has been my belief for a long time that Solas' physical body died while he was in uthenera. His spirit escaped the Fade and possessed Felassan. 

 

The Nightmare demon can see that he is not in his right body and mocks him:

 

"Speak to me, Trickster. Your victory is empty. Your pride is dead."

 

He literally means that Solas is dead and is mocking him that his victory over the gods blew up in his face. He is also mocking Solas that his second victory (closing the breach) will be empty because he's about to die again. 

 

Solas answers that nothing is certain. 

 

That's my two cents. *goes back to lurking*

[Kantr]

Alright everyone. Put on your tinfoil hats, because here's my crazy theory. I made up my own translation using the wiki. 

 

It has been my belief for a long time that Solas' physical body died while he was in uthenera. His spirit escaped the Fade and possessed Felassan. 

 

The Nightmare demon can see that he is not in his right body and mocks him:

 

"Speak to me, Trickster. Your victory is empty. Your pride is dead."

 

He literally means that Solas is dead and is mocking him that his victory over the gods blew up in his face. He is also mocking Solas that his second victory (closing the breach) will be empty because he's about to die again. 

 

Solas answers that nothing is certain. 

 

That's my two cents. *goes back to lurking*

Interesting theory. What do we know about what Felassan's looks?

[Frocharocha]

After beating the game i tought the translation would be something like this:

 

Demon: Dread Wolf, as long as you don't kill me, i can give you directions.

 

Solas: Sure week one.

 

Interesting theory. What do we know about what Felassan's looks?

 

Indeed. But the only thing that i found strange is that the demon doesn't seem to reconize him as a very powerful entity. I mean, he's the dread wolf. Solas was either very weak or the elven gods are not that spetacular in sheer power.

[Shahadem]

I wish if you played as an elf it would translate the elven subtitles to English for me.

 

Yeah. If you play an elven mage you would have been training to be the new Keeper, which means you would have spent some time learning to read (and likely speak) ancient elvish. But for some reason the game constantly forgets about this. It is exceptionally bad during the Well of Sorrows quest where your elf pretends that she can't read any ancient elvish at all. Really pissed me off, especially when Morrigan somehow could.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Yeah. If you play an elven mage you would have been training to be the new Keeper, which means you would have spent some time learning to read (and likely speak) ancient elvish. But for some reason the game constantly forgets about this. It is exceptionally bad during the Well of Sorrows quest where your elf pretends that she can't read any ancient elvish at all. Really pissed me off, especially when Morrigan somehow could.

Morrigan was (presumably) taught Elvish by an ancient Elvish god, you were taught it by people trying to reconstruct it from various lost and incomplete fragments....I think it makes sense for her to be better at it than you.