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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Also, does anyone actually have any proof some areas of the game lacked because of romances?

 

I'm not going to claim the game lacks anything because of the romances (i.e we could've had X, Y or Z if we cut romances out), but the romances are cheap fanservice that I believe is detrimental to the serious narrative tone that BioWare attempts to have in all their games.

 

It also panders to and attracts a sub-section of the audience (Bull Riders, Tali Sweaters, Mirandalorians, etc) who merely see the game as a backdrop for their romantic wish fulfillment fantasies. Others are free to disagree or see this as a good thing of course.

[Inquisitor Recon]

@Seboist "Sexual Deviants"? What's that supposed to mean?

When you get to the point of wanting to drink Tali's sweat... well...

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I actually think all of those would be pretty funny.

 

Of course, I also think dead baby and racist jokes can be hilarious, so my opinion probably doesn't mean much.

 

They'd be hilarious, but only for the reaction. I'll say this though, the person in marketing coming up with those campaigns would be lucky to still have a job 24 hours after releasing such material.

[Seboist]

I'm not going to claim the game lacks anything because of the romances (i.e we could've had X, Y or Z if we cut romances out), but the romances are cheap fanservice that I believe is detrimental to the serious narrative tone that BioWare attempts to have in all their games.

 

It also panders to and attracts a sub-section of the audience (Bull Riders, Tali Sweaters, Mirandalorians, etc) who merely see the game as a backdrop for their romantic wish fulfillment fantasies. Others are free to disagree or see this as a good thing of course.

 

Said sub-section have also said that they see the the 'mances as a major selling point for BW's games(which are at best a few mins out of a game that spans dozens of hours) and some have been brazen enough to outright say that's the selling point of them(which confirmed what myself and others already knew). 

 

I'd also argue that this romance creepdom tarmishes Bioware's brandname and reputation. If one didn't know any better, they'd get the impression that DAI was some medieval themed date sim from checking out the forum(there's 4-5+ romance threads on page one in scuttlebutt at any given time) and various youtube vids.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm not going to claim the game lacks anything because of the romances (i.e we could've had X, Y or Z if we cut romances out), but the romances are cheap fanservice that I believe is detrimental to the serious narrative tone that BioWare attempts to have in all their games.

 

 

I can say that about GoT series.

[TurianRebel212]

Apart from Mirdanda Lawson's romance in Mass Effect, I never have ever played BioWare games for their romances, lol. I guess I must be weird. But I played BioWare titles for the interesting and dynamic verses they create, the great characters and compelling narrative along with some of the best RPG gameplay in the bizz. 

 

I guess.... I must be weird. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It's easy to put two and two together when you take into account real life demographics of LGBT(3.5% of the population give or take)

 

This seems to be a new thing... inventing silly statistics about how rare the LGBT community is. This is the third time that I've seen it in the last few days. It's never the same percentage, of course (which is the most obvious tell that they're made up.)

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

This seems to be a new thing... inventing silly statistics about how rare the LGBT community is. This is the third time that I've seen it in the last few days. It's never the same percentage, of course (which is the most obvious tell that they're made up.)

Fix:

Between 3.5% and 7.5%.

 

Satisfied?

[Eternal Phoenix]

I can say that about GoT series.

 

At least it's no nonsense. I'll take sex thrown in for the sake of sex over cringy fan-service tumblr pseudo-social justice twilight fan fiction any day of the week!

 

The fan-service is even terrible during non-romance scenes. Cassandra was a pretty okay character, a woman dedicated to her job and a woman of unquestioning faith and then they suddenly throw in this "I like crappy Twilight novels that Varric makes!" stuff where she's gushing over some fictional knight commander! I'm sitting in my basement, looking at my 5 inch black and white tv thinking "what the **** is this crap?" as she's blushing all over the screen.

 

Well...at least Blackwall is a okay character, a real man's man, dedicated to his job but I'm wondering how long it is in the game until there's a discovery that he's into cross-dressing or sleeps in knickers or some such nonsense... (inb4 fan art is created of a cross-dressing Blackwall)

 

And Jesus Christ, Sera...urgh.

 

 

I haven't even accepted her into my party and this just reveals why I'm glad with the decision I've made. You're forced to watch her as she knees a man to death (probably imagined as a "cis-gendered straight xtian" by the tumblr lot which is Sera's main fanbase) and you can see the game wants you to root for her even though that scene and the background behind it just makes me want to execute or imprison her.

 

As I've said, I'm enjoying the game but the companions...not so much. Well Blackwall is okay so far man but I'm wary of what could be...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Also, does anyone actually have any proof some areas of the game lacked because of romances?

 

Do gut feelings and rage count as proof? 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Fix:

Between 3.5% and 7.5%.

 

Satisfied?

 

Demographics of sexual orientation

 

No one has reliable statistics on the demographics of it, but it demonstrates significant bias to ignore 80% of the research and numbers in order to exclusively quote the precentages that are the lowest, and that were done using random voluntary surveys. Demographically driven research has placed the numbers higher than yours quoted, and in depth studies of population cross sections have placed the numbers higher still, at 15-18% and 33-36% respectively.

 

Even if you decide to go with an approximate mean (combining all the listed voluntary poll surveys on that page, the research surveys, and the Kinsey serveys) you would get 17%, or thereabouts.

 

But it's more fun to make stuff up so that it suits the point one is trying to make, which is what people seem to be doing.

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

Demographics of sexual orientation

 

No one has reliable statistics on the demographics of it, but it demonstrates significant bias to ignore 80% of the research and numbers in order to exclusively quote the precentages that are the lowest, and that were done using random voluntary surveys. Demographically driven research has placed the numbers higher than yours quoted, and in depth studies of population cross sections have placed the numbers higher still, at 15-18% and 33-36% respectively.

 

Even if you decide to go with an approximate mean (combining all the listed voluntary poll surveys on that page, the research surveys, and the Kinsey serveys) you would get 17%, or thereabouts.

 

But it's more fun to make stuff up so that it suits the point one is trying to make, which is what people seem to be doing.

 

Well from my reading of that Wikipedia article, it still appears quite rare especially when you look at the world population. What's the problem? The LGBT community know they are a minority because it's the truth.

 

 

Then you clearly haven't read a certain Sam chapter from AFFC. It's the stuff of nightmares.

 

I've only heard of the scenes from the TV show. Admittedly I don't know anything about the novels but the scenes from the TV show sound like how it is in The Witcher, just thrown in. I like meaningful sex but if I had to choose between romances that are simply sex thrown-in or cringy romances that are fan-service then I'll choose the former.

 

After the complaints people made about brothels in DA games, we ended up with no brothel in Inquisition. What's that about? 

[TheChris92]

It's rather self-defeating to claim that romances 'feel tacked on' when they are just that.. optional content, but as to whether they are well-written is up for debate. Love stories can be great, as I've said before, some of the best games I've played involve a story about love (whether it be tragic, happy or something in-between). I feel BioWare have been declining a bit, in terms of their quality with their Mass Effect games, and I suppose this decline, or rather the mindset that romances have become a 'obligatorical part ofwhat makes a BioWare game' is what perceives them as being 'tacked on', I guess. In The Old Republic, however, they feel tacked on, not really serving much purpose, or even providing much development for the characters, they are simply their to complete the BioWare status-quo, and in retrospect; The concept means even less, considering how MMOs function, in terms of story and characters... it just doesn't work. I'm playing Inquisition and I think the game is better than most of their previous games, in terms several aspects I liked about Origins, Jade Empire and KOTOR.
The romances actually feel rather engaging this time instead of being more or less a mini-game, and more along the lines of providing layers for the characters. I'd say it's a step up -- Laidlaw wasn't lying when he said they'd been taking ques from Persona, The Darkness and other games involving love.. They've improved, put some effort into it this time, I'll say.

[CrazyRah]

You're answer: people are stupid.

 

Anything more is just overthinking it.