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[King Dragonlord]

So I'm on my second playthrough and it seems no matter what you do, lie to Dagna, tell her to stay with her family, whatever, she goes on to somehow be the best enchanter ever within a mere ten years even if the Circle in Ferelden was destroyed. Bioware, if you want to just tell your own stories for your own gratification, I'll be happy to leave you to it. 

 

The moral of the story is whatever you're passionate about doing at 17, just run off and do that. Start a band, go to Hollywood, blow all your savings on lotto tickets, it will work out. You'll totally never regret not getting a proper education in a solid career field. 

 

How hard would it have been to have another option? Sandal is still kicking, its not like its expensive to hire a voice actor for him. 

[Jaulen]

well if you do turn her down in Origins, she pretty much says "screw you surfacer, I'll get there myself." but in a much nicer Dangna-ish sort of way.

 

 

 

Edit: Added due to below. Ah! I never told her to stay put and be what everyone expects of her.

[Dave of Canada]

well if you do turn her down in Origins, she pretty much says "screw you surfacer, I'll get there myself." but in a much nicer Dangna-ish sort of way.

 

Depends what you tell her.

 

If you convince her that's a terrible idea, she's fairly content with staying underground with her father. Don't think it was ever brought up as to how she escaped and joined every Circle but she was content.

[Cutlass Jack]

Yes she managed to follow her dreams without your consent. How horrible.

 

But your choices do matter quite a bit where her dialogue about those events are concerned. I loved hearing her talk about my warden who helped her and died saving the world. She was more torn up about it than my romantic interest was. Brought a tear to my eye.

 

Completely different conversation on my playthrough where I didn't help her.

[katerinafm]

The Warden was a highly influential person, but that doesn't mean that every single decision they make should impact a person's life forever. Dagna just saw a surfacer in the Warden and took advantage of the opportunity and asked for help. Just because the Warden thought differently doesn't mean Dagna abandons her dreams just like that. Maybe she was happy staying with her father for a time before she realized that studying magic is still her dream so she left without the Warden's help anyway. It's not that weird a concept.

[sch1986]

I feel like our choices are never going to "matter" as much as we want them too.

Look at Leliana- if you killed her in DA:O she comes back to be spymaster anyway.

Dagna managing to leave the underground and find her way to Mage circles is far more believable than Leliana resurrecting from "dead."

And to be honest- I understand. If the choices really mattered how we wanted them too Bioware probably could have made two entirely different games based on the ending events of DA2 alone.

Side with Templars in Da2: a world with no Mage rebellions.

Side with mages in da2: total chaos for skyhold and it's occupants.

But that's just my 2 cents.

[Nightdragon8]

Yes but why give us the option in the world state editor if it doesn't change anything in the end? It would have been better to just skip it.

 

its like saying you have a choice of having apples or pancakes and you always get pancakes no matter what you pick. Its that same kind of feeling. I don't mind some choices don't seem to matter. However you would think after a playthough that if you don't help her she it happens anyway, with maybe an added line of "Even the HoF said I shouldn't, but I did it anyway."

 

Which Don't get me wrong is very comenable of her to do it despite of the nay sayers. It just makes what ever 'choice' we made pointless and at most just adds or subtracts dialouge.

 

Which is sort of the fans fualt for assumeing that our choices matter that much. Which they don't, I guess we should treat it like a tealtales game in that nevery every choice will have a large impact on the story.

[Dave of Canada]

The Warden was a highly influential person, but that doesn't mean that every single decision they make should impact a person's life forever. Dagna just saw a surfacer in the Warden and took advantage of the opportunity and asked for help. Just because the Warden thought differently doesn't mean Dagna abandons her dreams just like that. Maybe she was happy staying with her father for a time before she realized that studying magic is still her dream so she left without the Warden's help anyway. It's not that weird a concept.

The problem is that she leaves Orzammar with no money, no support and finds herself at the Circle of Magi and somehow convinces them to take her, where she works with them and learns everything and cooperates with multiple Circles until the Circles rebel around 10 years later. Somehow she does all this without the Warden's influence in convincing the Circle of Magi to take a dwarf.

[Jadebaby]

Yes she managed to follow her dreams without your consent. How horrible.

But your choices do matter quite a bit where her dialogue about those events are concerned. I loved hearing her talk about my warden who helped her and died saving the world. She was more torn up about it than my romantic interest was. Brought a tear to my eye.

Completely different conversation on my playthrough where I didn't help her.

This.

If anything I see this as a good thing. No matter what you thought about her dream, she still went and achieved it. Plus this game has so many reflecting dialogue and options that complaining about an enchanter working in your basement is just nitpicking.

Plus. She even makes a reference to sandal claimining. "Well, maybe the second best enchanter.. But my mind isn't that warped."

Anyone else get that reference? XD

[Farangbaa]

This.

If anything I see this as a good thing. No matter what you thought about her dream, she still went and achieved it. Plus this game has so many reflecting dialogue and options that complaining about an enchanter working in your basement is just nitpicking.

Plus. She even makes a reference to sandal claimining. "Well, maybe the second best enchanter.. But my mind isn't that warped."

Anyone else get that reference? XD

 

I did.

 

And I agree with every word you said.

[themikefest]

I like Dagna. It's good she set out to accomplish her goal. Glad my Warden could help her

 

As someone mentioned above, I liked it when she mentioned my Warden. Cool.

 

I didn't help once just to see the difference in the game, otherwise I help her out

 

She may be good at enchanting, but Sandal is #1

[ryno113]

I honestly didn't even know it was her until almost the end of the game and i talked to her just before the final missions she mentions she met the hero of ferelden and it was like an epiphany. 

 

In my head I though ohhhhhh I remember you! I got you to a circle in Origins. Made a small decision feel huge, would welcome a lot more of this. Little NPCs in future games that recognise your contribution; imagine agents like the Dalish elf you can recruit by building trust with the dalish clan or Dennet just popping up in a future games to maybe mention how what you did contributed to their life from that point and then the move on. They don't have to be in the game for more than 2-3 minutes.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Dagna is one case where I'm happy we had no effect on the eventual outcome of her story - she's got such drive and determination that it's hardly a surprise she took off on her own and got admitted to a Circle without the player character's help.

[katerinafm]

The problem is that she leaves Orzammar with no money, no support and finds herself at the Circle of Magi and somehow convinces them to take her, where she works with them and learns everything and cooperates with multiple Circles until the Circles rebel around 10 years later. Somehow she does all this without the Warden's influence in convincing the Circle of Magi to take a dwarf.

 

Yeah, somehow. Like how somehow the Warden convinced the Circle to take her with a single dialogue option in the first place .

[tmp7704]

The problem is that she leaves Orzammar with no money, no support and finds herself at the Circle of Magi and somehow convinces them to take her, where she works with them and learns everything and cooperates with multiple Circles until the Circles rebel around 10 years later. Somehow she does all this without the Warden's influence in convincing the Circle of Magi to take a dwarf.

And the Warden somehow manages to unite multiple races and end the latest Blight in record time even though (s)he has only one other similarly inexperienced Warden at the start of their journey. If you're willing to hand wave the extremely low odds of that success story away, I see no reason to complain that Dagna somehow manages to overcome her own obstacles.

[Chernaya]

What Dagna accomplished was very unlikely without the warden's help, but not impossible. She was determined and motivated, probably a little lucky as well. Good for her. There are plenty of nearly impossible things accomplished in this world's universe, Dagna's isn't too hard to believe.

[rpgfan321]

When I saw Dagna I was like "awww, my wittle dwarven got her PhD in magics and arcane. She's so cute!" I was fangirling. 

[jkdjr25]

Dagna is one of the other characters I wish there was an option to romance. One of the others being Scout Harding, because she is made of awesome and way, WAY better than Sera.

 

Cool Dwarven women for the win! lol

[AtreiyaN7]

I loved Dagna, and my Warden helped her achieve her dreams and made sure to put a word in with Irving if I recall. I was very surprised and happy to see her, and she acknowledged my Warden. I think she had the moxie and the drive to achieve her dreams even if I hadn't chosen to help her. And yes, I caught the Sandal reference and found it amusing.

[Cutlass Jack]

Dagna is one of the other characters I wish there was an option to romance. One of the others being Scout Harding, because she is made of awesome and way, WAY better than Sera.

 

Cool Dwarven women for the win! lol

 

I love Scout Harding so much. I Flirt with her at every opportunity on every playthrough. Heck even Sera approved of me flirting with her on the playthrough I'm romancing her on.

[Chari]

Another case of a choice illusion in Bioware game? You don't say
Tho this one is much better than Anders and Justice

[TEWR]

I admit, there are questionable elements to how she would've done it if she wasn't helped. Suppose that Irving is dead and the circle razed. Doesn't Gregoir just refuse her offer outright? If he won't consider it with the Warden present, I don't know how successful Dagna would be herself. But then, dogged persistence and determination might win Gregoir over, or at least make him relent.

 

Even so, the amount of bemoaning people do always rankles me. People expect their characters to be these GODS AMONG MEN and that the world should bow down to their every decision.

 

I hate that mentality. Power fantasy is all well and good and something that should be present, but if you let it go to your head that much then something's wrong (with the game if it has too much... like DAO, with how you perceive things, etc.).

 

The world does not start and stop with what you achieve. It continues through it. People are not going to just give up on something because you weren't there. This is true in real life. I fail to see why a video game should be any different, when many people denounce such games for "failing to be realistic".

 

Can't have it both ways. But then, when people say "realism" what they really talk about are combat animations, as if that was the only thing where realism might apply.

[King Dragonlord]

Dagna is one case where I'm happy we had no effect on the eventual outcome of her story - she's got such drive and determination that it's hardly a surprise she took off on her own and got admitted to a Circle without the player character's help.

 

Drive? She's standing around waiting for help. If she was just going to uproot and leave, why hadn't she already? 

 

Plus. I went through multiple loading screens to get that recommendation for her (most playthroughs I end up having to make a special trip for it) so thanks Bioware for letting me know I wasted time on that. 

[King Dragonlord]

I admit, there are questionable elements to how she would've done it if she wasn't helped. Suppose that Irving is dead and the circle razed. Doesn't Gregoir just refuse her offer outright? If he won't consider it with the Warden present, I don't know how successful Dagna would be herself. But then, dogged persistence and determination might win Gregoir over, or at least make him relent.

 

Even so, the amount of bemoaning people do always rankles me. People expect their characters to be these GODS AMONG MEN and that the world should bow down to their every decision.

 

I hate that mentality. Power fantasy is all well and good and something that should be present, but if you let it go to your head that much then something's wrong (with the game if it has too much... like DAO, with how you perceive things, etc.).

 

The world does not start and stop with what you achieve. It continues through it. People are not going to just give up on something because you weren't there. This is true in real life. I fail to see why a video game should be any different, when many people denounce such games for "failing to be realistic".

 

Can't have it both ways. But then, when people say "realism" what they really talk about are combat animations, as if that was the only thing where realism might apply.

 

Its just one more example of it not mattering. I haven't seen any evidence that the choice of Dwarf King matters where it should be having quite a huge impact on the setting. We should be seeing evidence in the activities of surface dwarves. Then of course there's the famous example of Lelianna not dying. And I haven't gotten that far on my second playthrough yet but I assume I'll be seeing Morrigan even though I stabbed her in my second World State.

 

But hey, I get to see Loghain again. Maybe that will be fun. Last time it was Stroud.

[ArvinDulku]

Drive? She's standing around waiting for help. If she was just going to uproot and leave, why hadn't she already? 

 

Plus. I went through multiple loading screens to get that recommendation for her (most playthroughs I end up having to make a special trip for it) so thanks Bioware for letting me know I wasted time on that. 

 

...How did you waste time?

 

If you did it, your Warden can have a hand in the creation of a Dwarven master enchanter, that happened.

 

If you did not do it, Dagna simply at some point in the last ten years, took a deep breath, gave herself a dose of encouragement and made it to the surface to bully herself entrance to a circle through sheer...well, something, cause she is kinda awesome.

 

Your choice is not invalidated, at all.