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[De Vulus]

Did Stardusk shoot his brains out yet?

[ghostzodd]

That's the point I wanted to make. I don't agree with the generalization on the subject, because of the very fact that it is a subjective thing. A lot of people find something attractive, while another crowd finds it unnatractive. So saying for example that short hair automatically equals manly is factually wrong. Yes, someone or many can find that a woman with short hair looks unnatractive, but the opposite also applies, someone or many can find that a woman with short hair is attractive. 

 

Alright I will agree, but I also believe that you can condition/program some to one to think a certain way or find certain things appealing/attractive.

[Spectre 117]

Alright I will agree, but I also believe that you can condition/program some to one to think a certain way or find certain things appealing/attractive.

 

I also agree with that. That was my point when discussing the subject with OP. My argument was that what we find appealing and attractive is molded by the social psychology. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

Why do you care so much about what Stardusk want's to do in his game, it's his game. Would you be throwing a hissy fit if someone wanted to make Cullen or Cassandra romanceable to same sex PC's? It doesn't effect you personally, it's not being forced upon you against you will. It's just a game.

Why do you care so much about us discussing Stardusk's announcement of the mods he's looking for? I mean, that is what's happening here. He popped into the forum to publicly announce his interest in a certain type of mod and, in response, people have been discussing it. What do you care? He's not being silenced or oppressed or censored or whatever word is popular among you guys lately for describing "discussion" or "criticism". Nobody is actually attempting to stop him from modding Cass into a Scotty Dog or a Box Turtle or a Victoria's Secret Model or whatever he wants.

[ghostzodd]

I also agree with that. That was my point when discussing the subject with OP. My argument was that what we find appealing and attractive is molded by the social psychology. 

 

 

Also I feel like its a combination of nature and nuture, However I feel like nurture plays a bigger part in the end. what you experience in life  has a big impact on you.

[Spectre 117]

 

Also I feel like its a combination of nature and nuture, However I feel like nurture plays a bigger part in the end. what you experience in life  has a big impact on you.

 

Nature does play a factor, though in the simplest form of biology, the factors that form attraction aren't so physical. In terms of biology, as someone mentioned earlier, what plays a bigger role is scent. Scent produced by hormones and pheromones leads to attraction and hence breeding. Almost every single mammal (or dare say everyone) is attracted by the production of hormones and pheromones. As a matter of fact, we have taken this to a whole different level with the creation of perfumes and colognes.

 

The experiences are the backbone of social psychology. We learn from our experiences and we form a culture around it, passing these experiences to the other genereations. So yes, they play an essential role in the whole thing. 

[De Vulus]

Nature does play a factor, though in the simplest form of biology, the factors that form attraction aren't so physical. In terms of biology, as someone mentioned earlier, what plays a bigger role is scent. Scent produced by hormones and pheromones leads to attraction and hence breeding. Almost every single mammal (or dare say everyone) is attracted by the production of hormones and pheromones. As a matter of fact, we have taken this to a whole different level with the creation of perfumes and colognes.

 

The experiences are the backbone of social psychology. We learn from our experiences and we form a culture around it, passing these experiences to the other genereations. So yes, they play an essential role in the whole thing. 

 

Now you two turned this thread too friendly. Tell me about another outrageous mod to Dragon Age so I can spread my hate.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I *LIKE* having characters that do not looklike supermodels. Characters that have some personality in their looks, that aren't just dime-a-dozen beauty pageant contestants.

 

Thus I'm not too interested in mods to change the appearances of my peeps. I quite like them as they are.

 

I'd be more interested in mods that did more dramatic things, like add skill slots, but as I've gathered, modding is not as easy in this game as it was in the previous ones, and thus we're unlikely to see something like that.

 

Given that we'll most likely get only superficial changes through mods, I wouldn't mind more hair styles for the CC.

[Fishy]

I *LIKE* having characters that do not looklike supermodels. Characters that have some personality in their looks, that aren't just dime-a-dozen beauty pageant contestants.

 

Thus I'm not too interested in mods to change the appearances of my peeps. I quite like them as they are.

 

I'd be more interested in mods that did more dramatic things, like add skill slots, but as I've gathered, modding is not as easy in this game as it was in the previous ones, and thus we're unlikely to see something like that.

 

Given that we'll most likely get only superficial changes through mods, I wouldn't mind more hair styles for the CC.

 

lol . I kind of agree. I always vomit a little inside my mouth when I see those Skyrim mods that make female character and men character look like victoria secret cover magazine model. It's just silly.

 

But like other have said. It's a free country. They can do wth they want with their free time when it in their right to do.

 

Want to make Cassandra look like Jolie ? Go for it. It's victimless. Even if I believe the people who have created the character won't see cassandra. WIll just see a modded fantaisies.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Tis' really fascinating how the politically correct social justice crowd react to the OP's request when all he is asking for is if there are any mods out to improve what he does not like with the game.

 

As I recall, mods are optional and the OP just wants straight male romance options with decent hair and decent nose...

 

This is after all, a fantasy form of entertainment. Involving pixels. If there are those who wish to want fairer skin or longer hair or better nose on characters and they wish to get them via modding, which is optional and not enforced on anyone, I fail to see why this becomes a problem.

 

Has there been any logical correlation, with proof, that show people who prefer women with longer hair or better noses or fairer skin and want them in a game to be sexist or misogynistic or racist ? I think not.

 

Yet...Talk about hypocrisy, censorship and thought policing.  As I recall, the OP is not suggesting anyone to mod their real life appearance, just the appearance of a pixelated character. Talk about taking personal offense to and white knighting something that is not real. 

 

To Stardusk, no, so far there has not been any mods out. Frostbite is not exactly very easy to mod, people are just starting to learn about DAI's files and stuff for now. Perhaps in a few months time ? Assuming we can get around the annoying DRM.

 

"Longer hair"? Whatever.

 

"Better noses"? Well, that's kind of like saying her nose is a little too "ethnic" for you but, I can still give that a pass.

 

"Fairer skin"? Oh yeah, that's where the wheels come off and it's made clear that you want to whitewash anyone who is remotely "colored". So yeah, that preeeeeeeeeeeeetty much throws up the "you're a big honkin racist" flag there.

[sporkmunster]

"Longer hair"? Whatever.

 

"Better noses"? Well, that's kind of like saying her nose is a little too "ethnic" for you but, I can still give that a pass.

 

"Fairer skin"? Oh yeah, that's where the wheels come off and it's made clear that you want to whitewash anyone who is remotely "colored". So yeah, that preeeeeeeeeeeeetty much throws up the "you're a big honkin racist" flag there.

 

Your kinda obsessed with race aren't you? It's all you want to talk about. Even when nobody else is talking about race, you have to find some way to bring it up. Do you like being offended? because it seems your itching for any excuse to be offended.

[HTTP 404]

Cassandra is in her 40s.  I hate that people change the way the characters are intended to look but it is your game.  Pink flowie hair for everyone!

[Father_Jerusalem]

Your kinda obsessed with race aren't you? It's all you want to talk about. Even when nobody else is talking about race, you have to find some way to bring it up. Do you like being offended? because it seems your itching for any excuse to be offended.

 

I'm sorry, I've never seen you before in my life. Are you stalking me? I'm not okay with that.

 

(also: racists whining about people calling them out on being racist will never not be entertaining)

[HK-90210]

*sigh*

Yeah. *disgusted noise*

[sporkmunster]

I'm sorry, I've never seen you before in my life. Are you stalking me? I'm not okay with that.

 

(also: racists whining about people calling them out on being racist will never not be entertaining)

 

That's some ego you have. So I'm really sorry to have to tell you this, but your really not that interesting. You see, due to the sheer volume of your posting, it's inevitable that a lurker like me, ends up reading a post from an individual such as yourself, funny eh?

 

Also, thank you for your explanation, your a race baiting troll. Not a noble pursuit for sure, but I certainly understand your motivation now.

 

Enjoy your trolling Sir!

[Vormaerin]

No one cares what he does in his game. On the other hand, coming to the forums and piling on to the many, many, many whiny threads claiming to know the secret hearts of men in general as to related to attractiveness in women is annoying.

 

He could have just googled it if he didn't want a reaction to his comments. 

 

Frankly, I'm tired of people coming to the forums to tell Bioware what men find attractive and how they failed to achieve it.  I happen to think both Cassandra and Josephine are good looking and I'm a straight, white male.  I don't think I'd actually be attracted to Josephine personality wise IRL, but that's a different matter.

 

I don't want Bioware to start thinking of romances as fetish fuel, which is all that demands for particular looks amount to.  I want them to make interesting characters and then worry about whether or not they might be attracted to the protagonist.

 

Do whatever you want in the privacy of your own game.  Romance a nug for all I care.  But if you create a public issue about it, you are no longer having a discussion in the context of your own game.

[KaiserShep]

Tis' really fascinating how the politically correct social justice crowd react to the OP's request when all he is asking for is if there are any mods out to improve what he does not like with the game.

 

Frankly, this thread strikes me as little more than a front, serving the same exact purpose as the "Cassandra/Josephine is ugly" threads. Any goofball with half a brain can Google this nonsense, rather than make a thread about it hoping that people will actually serve up what he claims to want here. There's no reason to take it seriously or provide help, because it's stupid. And really, this isn't really like wanting to mod other mundane things in the game, like new armors, outfits, weapons or decorations, because these things don't play into the whole fetishistic nature of the way romance is regarded in the darker regions of these forums.

[jsachun]

Should be able to just console command it. Annoying thing is this would probably have to be done every time you reload up the game.

[sporkmunster]

Frankly, this thread strikes me as little more than a front, serving the same exact purpose as the "Cassandra/Josephine is ugly" threads. Any goofball with half a brain can Google this nonsense, rather than make a thread about it hoping that people will actually serve up what he claims to want here. There's no reason to take it seriously or provide help, because it's stupid. And really, this isn't really like wanting to mod other mundane things in the game, like new armors, outfits, weapons or decorations, because these things don't play into the whole fetishistic nature of the way romance is regarded in the darker regions of these forums.

 

In Dragon Age Origins I modified Alistair, my character's LI, because I didn't like the way he looked. I thought Alistair was rather ugly looking, I wanted dashing. So I modified him to conform to what I find aesthetically pleasing. I'm also guilty of modding Cullen, Ser Gilmore and Zevran.

 

I'm generally curious, what do you find objectionable about my specific actions:

 

1. That I thought Alistair was ugly

2. The I said "Alistair is ugly".

3. That I had the Hubris to modify tamper/modify with Bioware's artistic vision.

4. That I'm sexually objectifying men or in this case a fictitious character in a video game.

5. All of the above.

 

If the options I've provided don't satisfy you, please add your own.

[CrystaJ]

I knew this was going to crash and burn after his second post.

 

There's certainly a difference between simply asking if there's appearance mods and asking for appearance mods, pretty much expressing you can't wait until your female companions are hotter, then insisting your generalizations about what you personally find attractive/fertile/whatever the **** ever are founded in biology.

 

He can do whatever he wants. If he chooses to express his reasoning to the rest of us for some reason, though, we're also free to argue with him. I'm not sure what's so "thought police" about that, unless you find arguments themselves offensive.

[Toasted Llama]

Tis' really fascinating how the politically correct social justice crowd react to the OP's request when all he is asking for is if there are any mods out to improve what he does not like with the game.

There's a difference in expressing: "duhr hur I want mods"

and  "duhr hur I want mods because I don't like the way x and y look, but I push it as fact because of 'biology' "

You can bet your ass people are going to correct you on that biology ****. Or at least debate it, it's a public forum after all. Much like how typos and grammar errors are constantly corrected by grammar nazis. But hey, making mistakes is the best way to learn!


(also; discovering one is a timelord is very fascinating!)

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I knew this was going to crash and burn after his second post.

 

There's certainly a difference between simply asking if there's appearance mods and asking for appearance mods, pretty much expressing you can't wait until your female companions are hotter, then insisting your generalizations about what you personally find attractive/fertile/whatever the **** ever are founded in biology.

 

He can do whatever he wants. If he chooses to express his reasoning to the rest of us for some reason, though, we're also free to argue with him. I'm not sure what's so "thought police" about that, unless you find arguments themselves offensive.

The thought police are the one's who shut down every thread that does not fit a politically correct framework. The recent straight male romance thread comes to mind. The arguing is not the problem, the if you state an opinion that is not in tow with the majority we will shut down the thread, that is more the problem.

 

Beyond that, I have always found it puzzling that people believe social forces of a mere few centuries (or even decades) are more powerful that the biological instincts imparted to us after millions of years of evolution. Most of what we do is "autopilot", i.e. done without knowing why or wherefore and done on a guttural, instinctual level. Nowhere is this truer than in the realm of mate selection and attraction. That exceptions exist does not vitiate the general trends of a species and its preferences. No one denies that individual taste exists, hence why there are fetishes such as finding obese women attractive (this is merely an example) but there nonetheless exists a general trend amongst a species. If generalisations of this sort were completely off the mark, advertising would fail completely. 

 

People find themselves under the mistaken impression that society dictates what we are rather than what we are dictates what society is; by this I mean that society is moulded not by arbitrary social conventions and cultural trends but rather by the unflinching hand of both human biology and a psychology that has been shaped and impressed upon by millions of years of evolution (if you count our hominid ancestors) and thus it is a question of precedence. 

[Fufunette]

Female inqui Hair mods please~ That s all I have to ask...

[Milan92]

Not manly per se but for biological reasons long hair is more feminine, i.e. a sign of youth, health and fertility. Still, as Cassandra is over 40, and waning in fertility as well as well past her youth the short hair could make sense.

Again with the fertility, what is wrong with you people?

This isnt breeding simulator 2014.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Again with the fertility, what is wrong with you people?

This isnt breeding simulator 2014.

Physical attraction is a measure of mate value relevance, hence the reference. And before someone jumps in and says but people have sex without reproducing, yes that is true but only in a proximate causal sense, in a distal causal sense all attraction and sex is related to gene replication.