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Revisiting the Eluvian Discussion post-Inquisition


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Here there be SPOILERS for anyone who wants to avoid potential Inquisition details.

 

In Dragon Age 2, Marethari claims that the pride demon Audacity was guiding Merrill into fixing the Eluvian in order to directly possess Merrill and escape its Sundermount prison. We also know that Merrill, despite completing the Eluvian, was unable to make it function.

 

Based on details near Inquisition's conclusion, we now know the following:

 

  1. The Eluvians, much as Merrill and Morrigan have previously stated, represent a travel & communication network. The ancient elves did not have roads between nations or lands because they had the Eluvians. Some Eluvians, apparently, also go to other worlds. The details of that little tidbit are not spelled out very clearly - it's possible that Morrigan knows even less about this than she professes to know - but in the end, going the through one Eluvian takes you to a hub area where one can then exit through a different Eluvian. This hub exists between worlds - not the Fade but similar to it.
  2. The Eluvians are useless without a key, and each Eluvian may have a different key. What the key is for each Eluvian is unclear.
  3. The Eluvians are likely in some way considered alive. This point is left extremely vague and some of this is inference rather than outright fact. However, if Dagna is correct and that the Blight cannot affect non-living material, then a Blighted and/or corrupted Eluvian would seem to have a living component of some manner. Whether this is red lyrium or something as of yet unknown, Dagna's speculation on red lyrium would give us some reason as to why the Eluvian that corrupted Tamlen and/or Mahariel would have had the Blight. It would also appear that particular Eluvian was left unlocked, which is why it reacted to Tamlen's presence without the use of a proper key.

 

We know now why Merrill was unable to make the Eluvian function. She either:

  • Has the key but lacks the knowledge on how to active the Eluvian.
  • Has the knowledge on how activate the Eluvian but lacks the key.
  • Most likely, lacks both the key and the knowledge on how to activate the Eluvian.

 

It's also highly unlikely that Audacity itself had a key or that it was trapped within the hub realm. This calls into question, as many of have already speculated, everything that Marethari said during the events of A New Path.

 

There is no way to know for certain - so much of the lore is yet unknown and there are elements that may be developed to change things, particularly in the light of what happens in the Temple of Mythal, but the way this appears to me is that Marethari's words regarding paying the price for Merrill's blood magic (coincidentally, I think both Dorian and Solas would agree with Merrill's perspective on blood magic) is a reflection of Marethari succumbing to the Pride demon's temptation.

 

Marethari believes she can save Merrill. Marethari believes that only she can save Merrill. Marethari also believes she knows enough about the Eluvian that she need not have done any further research into it or to whether or not it could truly have been cleansed. It's why she kept the Sabrae Clan at Sundermount years beyond necessity, to the great concern of her charges.

 

Marethari fell victim to Pride. How much of her belief that Merrill was in danger was of her own imagination as compared to Audacity's urging is certainly questionable, but in my mind, this appears the most logical explanation given the additional information on Eluvians we gained from Inquisition.


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Sometimes I wonder if Bioware planned this all along about these things or if they came up with it just now. After playing Inquisition, it makes me question the choices I made in the previous ones. For ex, I question whether or not if I should've killed Flemeth back in Origins after learning what she really is in Inquisition. 


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Though i feel differently than the OP about blood magic, and I don't have a lot to add, I REALLY love posts like this. Hoping more people discus.


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I tend to agree with this.

 

With the new information gained from Inquisition, I question how dangerous the Spirit was to Merrill at all.

 

Someone a while back posted a list of events with the choice of how to handle the Mirror was in Merrils hands, as compared to when it was in Marethari's hands.

 

It really got across how well Merrill planned and was prepared for nearly every contingency (Including the possibility of her own possession, insisting that it would require her death as soon as possible), and how quickly Marethari mucked it up and immediately got possessed.

 

Marrill is naive, innocent, ignorant of customs outside of the dalish, and stubborn. But she is NOT stupid. Certainly not in matters involving magic and spirits.


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Well, the eluvian Merrill was working on is pieces of the same "unlocked" one Tamlen fell into. The key may not be necessary.

My impression was that Marethari stayed on Sundermount partly in the hopes that Merrill would return to the clan, but also to make sure Merrill didn't go back to the idol? I suppose her motives aren't ever really spelled out.

I still think it makes perfect sense that Audacity could use the magical portal device to 'port out of his prison. It *also* makes perfect sense that he could have been influencing Marethari. Why couldn't he be doing both? Two plans are better than one, and he's got nothing but time to scheme.
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Well, the eluvian Merrill was working on is pieces of the same "unlocked" one Tamlen fell into. The key may not be necessary.

My impression was that Marethari stayed on Sundermount partly in the hopes that Merrill would return to the clan, but also to make sure Merrill didn't go back to the idol? I suppose her motives aren't ever really spelled out.

I still think it makes perfect sense that Audacity could use the magical portal device to 'port out of his prison. It *also* makes perfect sense that he could have been influencing Marethari. Why couldn't he be doing both? Two plans are better than one, and he's got nothing but time to scheme.

 

Good point on the necessity of a key given it was the same Eluvian from the Dalish Elf Warden prologue.

 

It does make me wonder...can an Eluvian truly be restored then? Can a fragment be added to additional glass and make operational? The most likely answer is that Merrill simply lacked the knowledge to use it, but it's a more tragic story if the fool mirror would never work again.

 

It is was possible to operate it, the knowledge to do so must be available somewhere. Morrigan discovered it, after all, either in the mysterious book from Witch Hunt that she took from the Dalish or elsewhere.

 

As for Audacity...I dunno. How exactly does it free itself from its binding using that particular Eluvian? Wouldn't any Eluvian do? Could it have freed itself through Morrigan's Eluvian, if it were somehow bound to the Crossroads hub? Does Merrill moving the Eluvian off Sundermount and into Kirkwall affect its ability to use it, if such ability exists?

 

So many unanswered questions down that path. I mean, it's possible; so much remains unknown about what Audacity showed Merrill and whether or not Marethari was even accurate in her remarks.



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Well, the eluvian Merrill was working on is pieces of the same "unlocked" one Tamlen fell into. The key may not be necessary.
 

 

Gaider said that it was a brand new one. I believe Inquisition even shows her version in the Crossroads. It probably needs a key, since it's not at all like the old one.


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Sometimes I wonder if Bioware planned this all along about these things or if they came up with it just now. After playing Inquisition, it makes me question the choices I made in the previous ones. For ex, I question whether or not if I should've killed Flemeth back in Origins after learning what she really is in Inquisition. 

 

I'm pretty sure they didn't plan Flemeth's true nature when they wrote DA:O. At that point it seems pretty obvious she was just a powerful witch and a plot device for Morrigan's story.

 

When they decided to bring her back from the dead in DA2, however, it looks like they were already planning for her role in DA:I. You don't take the clumsy option of bringing back a dead character just for the minor role she played in DA2.



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Well, the eluvian Merrill was working on is pieces of the same "unlocked" one Tamlen fell into. The key may not be necessary.

My impression was that Marethari stayed on Sundermount partly in the hopes that Merrill would return to the clan, but also to make sure Merrill didn't go back to the idol? I suppose her motives aren't ever really spelled out.

I still think it makes perfect sense that Audacity could use the magical portal device to 'port out of his prison. It *also* makes perfect sense that he could have been influencing Marethari. Why couldn't he be doing both? Two plans are better than one, and he's got nothing but time to scheme.

 

It was confirmed by Gaider, as TEWR said, that she built a new one. She took a fragment from the Brecilian Forest and used blood magic to cleanse it of the taint. She says she tried to get Merethari to help her with that, but Merethari refused, and she would've used lyrium instead but didn't have it or any access to it, so she relied on her own blood to power the spell. 

 

The eluvian she was working on was one she was building from scratch. It's likely she doesn't know about the key. Heck, since she's building one she probably has to build a key to activate it herself. 


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It was confirmed by Gaider, as TEWR said, that she built a new one. She took a fragment from the Brecilian Forest and used blood magic to cleanse it of the taint. She says she tried to get Merethari to help her with that, but Merethari refused, and she would've used lyrium instead but didn't have it or any access to it, so she relied on her own blood to power the spell. 

 

The eluvian she was working on was one she was building from scratch. It's likely she doesn't know about the key. Heck, since she's building one she probably has to build a key to activate it herself. 

 

Yes. Gaider said: "This is correct. Does Merrill not explain that she's painstakingly reconstructed the mirror using the shard?" He added: "Ah, yes. Merrill has but the one shard from that mirror, taken from when she went to the caves looking for Tamlen (and Mahariel, presumably). The remainder was there for the Warden to find." He later stated: "She just has the one shard. She incorporates it into the mirror she builds, extrapolating its construction both from the shard itself and what lore she's been able to collect. Probably why she wasn't able to get it to work."



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Dont forget that thanks to Briala the whole eluvian network is up and running again as long as you know the passphrase or have the power to activate it.



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I didnt know Marrill was building a whole new one.

 

Thats kind of awesome. That kind of gets across that she is a lot smarter than people think she is.


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No, she was trying to backwards engineer and build a new one. That only proves her intelligence if she succeeds.



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I'm still curious as to where that Eluvian in the Dalish Origin story lead to.

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I'm pretty sure they didn't plan Flemeth's true nature when they wrote DA:O. At that point it seems pretty obvious she was just a powerful witch and a plot device for Morrigan's story.

 

When they decided to bring her back from the dead in DA2, however, it looks like they were already planning for her role in DA:I. You don't take the clumsy option of bringing back a dead character just for the minor role she played in DA2.

Well you already knew she'd be back anyways because Morrigan pretty much tells you that she'd most likely be back



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No, she was trying to backwards engineer and build a new one. That only proves her intelligence if she succeeds.

We shall see then, wont we?

 

I'm still curious as to where that Eluvian in the Dalish Origin story lead to.

It was corrupted, right? What happens if you go through a corrupted Mirror? Does it just destroy you?



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Well you already knew she'd be back anyways because Morrigan pretty much tells you that she'd most likely be back

 

Yeah even in DAO Morrigan knew Flemeth couldn't be truly killed and that you were really just giving her a bit of breathing room to form a plan on how to deal with her.



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Perhaps, although isn't it possible to get M to destroy the Mirror in Dragon Age II? (If so then I figure that they'll either let the story hook whither away and dangle like they thankfully seem to be doing with the Architect or make it a non issue like they did the Old God Child.)

 

 

As for where it the original version went ... if I had to guess based of what Talmen says I'd guess one of the Thags that the Elves sheltered in with the dwarves.



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I'm actually hoping that they revisit Merrill and her Eluvian again at some point, between that and what we've learned about the ancient elves in Inquisition, there a lot of good fodder for her character, and it would be interesting to see how she develops and grows as a result of that. Besides, having a working Webway Gate is always a plus. Maybe she learns about what Briala's done with the network (a plot point that also didn't really get a lot of play in Inquisition, to my knowledge).

 

Anyways, getting back on topic, I definitely have to agree with the OP; the Eluvian did not pose a danger to Merrill or anyone else because of the threat of Audacity. What we learn about the Eluvians in Inquisition only reinforces this, and the fact that as she was possessed, everything Marethari said had to be taken with a grain of salt (and that's not even including the fact that she may have been possessed since Act II).It'll be interested to see what Bioware does with the Eluvians going forward, it's something I'm genuinely interested in seeing more of.


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Perhaps, although isn't it possible to get M to destroy the Mirror in Dragon Age II? (If so then I figure that they'll either let the story hook whither away and dangle like they thankfully seem to be doing with the Architect or make it a non issue like they did the Old God Child.)

 

 

As for where it the original version went ... if I had to guess based of what Talmen says I'd guess one of the Thags that the Elves sheltered in with the dwarves.

 

The elves of ancient Arlathan took refuge with the dwarves at Cadash Thaig, where the dwarves slaughtered them all in fear of jeopardizing their alliance and trade with Tevinter, and then wiped it from the memories so they forgot about it. 



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Yes, and Talmen sees a great city deep underground when he first looks into the Mirror in the Dalish Origin. As far as I know there's nothing suggesting that Cadash was the only Thaig that the elves sheltered in. ... Of course, it also could be true that in prehistory Elves had their own underground cities and that was what Talmen saw.



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No, she was trying to backwards engineer and build a new one. That only proves her intelligence if she succeeds.

 

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yes so smart that she was then going to try to connect said Mirror, to a place that is full of blighted taint... that took (potenally) 2 of her clans lives....

 

Smart yes, Wisdom no...

 

Because if they work any way simular to the way the 40K webways work... Then connecting to it is suicide.



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yes so smart that she was then going to try to connect said Mirror, to a place that is full of blighted taint... that took (potenally) 2 of her clans lives....

 

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Spoiler

Unless it was possibly a representation of the original version.