Unless it was possibly a representation of the original version.
Maybe.
The original and all its pieces are still in the Brecilian Forest and Merrill only had a shard which she cleansed.
If that one piece was in her eluvian, it may be possible it became a representation of the original in the forest but now untainted, but if all she did was take what she learned from it and built a new one, then she pretty much constructed a working eluvian from scratch, and only needed to make a key.
Unless it was possibly a representation of the original version.
The one in the Elven Ruins that looked nothing like the one Merrill built, you mean?
The one in the Elven Ruins that looked nothing like the one Merrill built, you mean?
Looked nothing like it, but it may have shared a magical signature of some kind?
EDIT: I mean, all it would need for it to be a representation of the old one is to have the same power, maybe in the glass itself, and the outside is just ornamentation.
Just saying it may be possible.
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Looked nothing like it, but it may have shared a magical signature of some kind?
EDIT: I mean, all it would need for it to be a representation of the old one is to have the same power, maybe in the glass itself, and the outside is just ornamentation.
Just saying it may be possible.
The two Eluvians are drastically different from one another in appearance and size (precisely because Merrill built her own and simply incorporated one shard from the Elven Ruins into the one she built in Kirkwall), so I don't see why that would be the case.
I know, just went into the crossroads today in my latest playthrough. I think you're missing my point though.
I'm thinking that it may be possible that the magic itself, not the shape of the eluvian, could possibly have had similarities beyond being an eluvian to the one in the brecilian forest, where its physical remnants are corrupted.
I actually don't think this is the case, but I do think it may be possible if that one glass shard is actually in the one Merrill built. If it isn't in it, then she built a completely working one from scratch and just needed to make a key.
More importantly, does this Mirror still appear if Merill destroyed hers? (I don't remember if that choice is in the keep or not.)
More importantly, does this Mirror still appear if Merill destroyed hers? (I don't remember if that choice is in the keep or not.)
No, it doesn't.
EDIT: Appear in the crossroads, I mean. The choice if she destroyed it or not is in the Keep.
I know, just went into the crossroads today in my latest playthrough. I think you're missing my point though.
I'm thinking that it may be possible that the magic itself, not the shape of the eluvian, could possibly have had similarities beyond being an eluvian to the one in the brecilian forest, where its physical remnants are corrupted.
I actually don't think this is the case, but I do think it may be possible if that one glass shard is actually in the one Merrill built. If it isn't in it, then she built a completely working one from scratch and just needed to make a key.
I'm addressing that I think it isn't meant to be the Eluvian of the Elven Ruins because of Morrigan's dialogue. As Morrigan says, "I call it the Crossroads, a place where all Eluvians join... wherever they might be."
I'm addressing that I think it isn't meant to be the Eluvian of the Elven Ruins because of Morrigan's dialogue. As Morrigan says, "I call it the Crossroads, a place where all Eluvians join... wherever they might be."
I recognize that as well.
Like I said, I don't think they're the same at all, but I am open to the possibility that the magic between Merrill's and the one in the Forest before it was corrupted may be similar or even identical if the shard Merrill has is built into her eluvian.
Just putting it out there that you can find an Eluvian in the same shape as Merrill's in the Winter Palace. Whether that means Morrigan built one as practice or she took Merrill's to study, or even rebuild if Merrill destroys it, between Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition is unknown.
Winter Palace Eluvian:
Merrill's Eluvian:
No, it doesn't.
EDIT: Appear in the crossroads, I mean. The choice if she destroyed it or not is in the Keep.
Hold on, The Mirror doesnt appear unless Merrill didnt destroy it? Seriously?
Well, I assumed they were just duplicate models, but that definitely seems to verify that this is, in fact, Merrils Eluvian.
Ooh that's quite interesting.
I still am in support of her destroying it however. We don't know if those ancient elves are non hostile yet 
Here there be SPOILERS for anyone who wants to avoid potential Inquisition details.
In Dragon Age 2, Marethari claims that the pride demon Audacity was guiding Merrill into fixing the Eluvian in order to directly possess Merrill and escape its Sundermount prison. We also know that Merrill, despite completing the Eluvian, was unable to make it function.
Based on details near Inquisition's conclusion, we now know the following:
Most likely, lacks both the key and the knowledge on how to activate the Eluvian.
- The Eluvians, much as Merrill and Morrigan have previously stated, represent a travel & communication network. The ancient elves did not have roads between nations or lands because they had the Eluvians. Some Eluvians, apparently, also go to other worlds. The details of that little tidbit are not spelled out very clearly - it's possible that Morrigan knows even less about this than she professes to know - but in the end, going the through one Eluvian takes you to a hub area where one can then exit through a different Eluvian. This hub exists between worlds - not the Fade but similar to it.
It's also highly unlikely that Audacity itself had a key or that it was trapped within the hub realm. This calls into question, as many of have already speculated, everything that Marethari said during the events of A New Path.
I agree with point 2&3. I also think Audacity has a key. I read one of the novels (the last one out, with the Queen of Orlais, not a very good book), and in there, a demon has the key and the knowledge to the Eluvian. He doesn't reveal that it really only works only with Elves, non Elves have trouble naviguating in there.
Merryl has no idea how the Eluvian works and what it requires, wich is why she consorts with demons, thinking she can use them for her advantage.
What I believe you are missing about the doors to the other worlds is this: In the temple mission, where you meet Cory, the Elves' leader states that the Elves destroyed themselves (long?) before the Tevinters came.
So, if they had mastery of the eluvians, if they opened door to other worlds, it's possible they let demons (or something else entirely) into their worlds, wich precipitated their downfall and left them vulnerable to a human invasion. Or it could mean that Elves got greedy with power, thought they were invicible, decided to conquer all the surrounding worlds wich then banded together to defeat them. It's not like it's an uncommon concept in sci-fi/fantasy.
With Merrill successfully cleansing the tainted mirror shard, does anyone else forsee a potential Hero of Ferelden/Merrill meetup in DA4? At the very least, I'm sure the Warden would be very interested in talking to someone who successfully combated the Blight, no matter their methods or how limited the success was.
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Interesting. So Temple of Mythal might've had something to do with Merrill. And considering ends badly I very curious as to how that would've turned out regarding the mirror.
I agree with point 2&3. I also think Audacity has a key. I read one of the novels (the last one out, with the Queen of Orlais, not a very good book), and in there, a demon has the key and the knowledge to the Eluvian. He doesn't reveal that it really only works only with Elves, non Elves have trouble naviguating in there.
I was always under the impression that Audacity tailored its claims because Marethari and Merrill were Dalish - the spirit initially shows them Arlathan after they initially encounter Audacity in Sundermount, and it's Merrill who already had an interest in the Eluvians.
Merryl has no idea how the Eluvian works and what it requires, wich is why she consorts with demons, thinking she can use them for her advantage.
Merrill learned blood magic from the spirit Audacity, who was sundered from the Beyond and trapped in a totem for almost two millennium, because she lacked the necessary amount of lyrium to cleanse the shard with ordinary magic; however, she was building the Eluvian from lore she studied and information she extrapolated from the shard.
What I believe you are missing about the doors to the other worlds is this: In the temple mission, where you meet Cory, the Elves' leader states that the Elves destroyed themselves (long?) before the Tevinters came.
So, if they had mastery of the eluvians, if they opened door to other worlds, it's possible they let demons (or something else entirely) into their worlds, wich precipitated their downfall and left them vulnerable to a human invasion. Or it could mean that Elves got greedy with power, thought they were invicible, decided to conquer all the surrounding worlds wich then banded together to defeat them. It's not like it's an uncommon concept in sci-fi/fantasy.
It could have simply been that the elven servants pulled a Snowpiercer against the elven Dreamers who ruled as nobility, and in the aftermath, Tevinter took advantage.
The ancient elven corpses in the Orlesian Eluvian network (in "The Masked Empire") would suggest that the Eluvians were suddenly shut down. I'm more interested in the "worlds" mentioned by Morrigan.
Yeah, I definitely love to see Merrill do more with the Eluvians, rescue whoever fell to Nightmare, and/or help out the Grey Wardens (because, good God almighty, am I sick of the Wardens as antagonists). Here's a notion; even if her blood magic isn't capable of curing a person of the Blight, is it possible it might work to cleanse
I just dont want them to do what i fully expect them to do and go full grim-dark and end with her being eaten by a demon while Hawke watches or something.
Seriously, reward the player for what may have been initially presented as the "dubious path" for a change.
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Interesting. So Temple of Mythal might've had something to do with Merrill. And considering ends badly I very curious as to how that would've turned out regarding the mirror.
While I understand the drive a writer might have to do things to peoples' favorite characters.... considering Bioware does that ALL THE TIME if they had gone through with it I probably would've just stopped caring altogether. They're actually getting predictable and repetitive with it and it's... annoying, to say the least.
Because I know Merrill would've gotten screwed over just so they could get some jollies, whether it made sense or not.
I much prefer subtler things done to a character that messes with them, like Morrigan in the Temple of Mythal, considering the truth about Mythal -- as opposed to "LOL GRIM-DARK LOOK AT US" nonsense all the time. time and place
But then I am a very bitter and biased Dwarf when it comes to Bioware's writing.
I just dont want them to do what i fully expect them to do and go full grim-dark and end with her being eaten by a demon while Hawke watches or something.
Seriously, reward the player for what may have been initially presented as the "dubious path" for a change.
While I understand the drive a writer might have to do things to peoples' favorite characters.... considering Bioware does that ALL THE TIME if they had gone through with it I probably would've just stopped caring altogether. They're actually getting predictable and repetitive with it and it's... annoying, to say the least.
Because I know Merrill would've gotten screwed over just so they could get some jollies, whether it made sense or not.
I much prefer subtler things done to a character that messes with them, like Morrigan in the Temple of Mythal, considering the truth about Mythal -- as opposed to "LOL GRIM-DARK LOOK AT US" nonsense all the time. time and place
But then I am a very bitter and biased Dwarf when it comes to Bioware's writing.
Agreed, both of you. At this point, I think that if Bioware can't bother to write Merrill decently, then they shouldn't bother having her in another game at all (also feel the same about the Wardens, and no, I'm not letting that go). There's nothing to be gained by killing off a character or turning them evil or what have you just for shock value, and it's frustrating to have cool characters and concepts dumped on for the sake of "drama" or "realism" or "maturity" or whatever the canned justification for bad writing is these days.
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Interesting. So Temple of Mythal might've had something to do with Merrill. And considering ends badly I very curious as to how that would've turned out regarding the mirror.
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