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[Arl Raylen]

Not in the sense that DA2 was better, but that it did indeed have its strongpoints. Especially on PC. I'm replaying it now while we wait for Inquisition's PC patches (I want my second playthrough to have as few bugs as possible -- the Hawke customization voice change bug saddened me), and it's been a blast so far. Combat is smooth, FPS is at a constant 60, you can click loot and auto walk up to it, and you can press R to take everything!

 

It also has a much more homey feel thanks to it being set in a single city. That has it's pros and cons of course, but it's a nice change of pace after roaming the deserts and hinterlands for hours in Inquisition.

 

Character interactions are more believeable (is it just me or are the facial animations better in DA2?) Telling Carver he's an ass is just plain fun. Also enjoying the sidequests w/ cinematic camera for dialogue and the ability to pick a real emotional response every few seconds compared to every few hours in Inquisition.

 

The story is much smaller in scope, and I get that lots of people hate that. But Hawke is a good character, underrated imo, and his companions really come to life. I mean I guess it makes sense; with Bioware not having to focus on creating maps or a decent ending to the game, they really could pour all of their efforts into some of the character stuff.

 

Oh and the party banter. It's joyous to hear stuff every minute or two. I appear to have been afflicted by the banter bug in Inquisiton so this was a welcome change.

 

All in all I'm just glad I get a chance to become reaquianted with Hawke. It will make the adamant mission in my second playthrough that much more interesting (though I still have yet to make a world state where Alastair lives...was too curious to see what Loghain would be like).

 

Anyways yeah, loved Inquisition but it's interesting how going back after a while can give you a new perspective. I think playing it on PC helped, as DA2 was a buggy mess on 360 and that severely detracted from the playing experience.

 

Anybody else giving Hawke a second (or third or fourth) spin and enjoying it?

[Han Master]

Nope other than the controls DAI beats DA 2 at everything else.

[ZipZap2000]

No. 

[jellobell]

It made me appreciate what they were trying to do with DA2 better. DA2 needed to happen to set up the story of Inquisition. One of the things I hated about DA2 was how railroad-y it felt, but Inquisition reassured me that Bioware has a plan for how they're setting up their world.

 

So yeah, put in the context of DAI, I like DA2 a lot more. It was basically a short story set in the world of Dragon Age, which Bioware needed to tell.

[Arl Raylen]

Nope other than the controls DAI beats DA 2 at everything else.

 

Inquisition beats DA2 in a lot of ways, but the dialgoue options are not one of them! Not once in Inquisition could I be as much of a jerk as Hawke was in one of the first quests.

 

*Mother crying because of Bethany's death*

 

"I have no time for your tears! What's past is in the past!"

[Nemis-Roidsavelt]

What I hated about in DA2 was a lot of things. But what DA 2 definitely wins in the contest against DA1. Is that it whooped ass in how it did its ending. Made up for all the reused areas ect. Also you could romance anyone. However DA1 also fails in the regard where you can romance everyone because sometimes your companions will hit on you which can be extremely awkward and uncomfterable, in addition you lose a bunch of love points with them when you reject them which is absolutely rediculas in my opinion. Dude seriously don't be mad at me if i'm with Merrill. Im not saying I ant totally gay for you anders. Its just Merrill bro. She is so tight. No way your butthole is that good. Maybe 3 way? No option for 3 way? Screw you Bioware. My main character cant love all his companions equally?...... really?.......... This is a fantasy rpg and your telling me I cant have a harem? Cant I atleast try for one?> I mean you did let me try for a harem in swtor with my sith warrior. Got rejected but at least u let me try.

[DarkSpiral]

Inquisition beats DA2 in a lot of ways, but the dialgoue options are not one of them! Not once in Inquisition could I be as much of a jerk as Hawke was in one of the first quests.

 

*Mother crying because of Bethany's death*

 

"I have no time for your tears! What's past is in the past!"

Very true.  I don't usually use the hostile dialogue choices much in my initial playthrough, as I prefer to play heroes over jerks, but I certainly noticed the overall lack of them.  Most of the dialogue choices that did not have a tone icon were consistently non-hostile.

[russiandobby]

Yes it did but only in combat, what i really wish is that in DA:I they kept the combat from 2nd game and AI tactics set up from origins then it would be prefect

[Element Zero]

DA2 did run way more smoothly. I like DA2 okay, viewing it more as a DA action game with dialogue than as an RPG. The recycled assets and never ending load screens hurt it, for me. Otherwise, I have few complaints.

I enjoyed DAI more, but it has it's issues. It's the buggiest game I've ever played by far (I'm playing on PS4), frame rates routinely drop horribly low, it's a bit of a grind, etc...

I love the world they've created. Now, they need to decide what their vision for this series really is. Thus far, we've played three very different games. I'm not talking about "stand-alone stories in Thedas" different, I'm talking about three mechanically divergent games. I'm all for growth, but I do hope they perfect a formula upon which they can build. (Honestly, I hope the DAI is not that formula. It still plays like an old school PC game. Why can't the gameplay and presentation be as compelling as the story?)

[Bekkael]

I greatly prefer DAO AND DA2 to DAI. DAI is huge and has endless hours of (mostly forgettable) sidequests, but I personally find the main story far less compelling than the first 2 games and the Inquisitor is boring to play as, for me. She is so weak in combat compared to Hawke or the Warden that it's absolutely laughable, and I find her hard to relate to as a hero because she is so very weak. She's supposed to be this scary and super powerful mage, but just about any mook or animal can easily bust her ass and she's SOL without a potion? LOL? This is the first Bio game I have actually detested the combat design, so I'm kinda in a grieving stage over hating such a massive chunk of a game from a company I have idolized for many years.

 

Anyway, I always thought DA2 was a fantastic game, other than area re-use, but I don't know what kind of miracle people expected when BioWare was commanded to spit out another game within such a tiny amount of time? DAO came out at the end of 2009 and DA2 released in March of 2011, and there was the Awakening expansion and other DLC sandwiched in between. The development time for DA2 was ridiculously brief, and I wish more people would acknowledge that and give credit to the devs for making such a good game in such a small time-frame.

[Han Master]

The newer DA games can't win against DAO which is game of the year 2009.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The newer DA games can't win against DAO which is game of the year 2009.

 

DA2 > DAO

 

DAI > DAO

 

Sure they can.

[Element Zero]

The newer DA games can't win against DAO which is game of the year 2009.

Why can't they, though? Is not the team largely the same? Unless they lucked into a hit, they should be creating equally compelling stories with ever more impressive presentation. It's debatable whether this has been the case. (I'd agree with you in saying no, the games are not progressively improving.)

DA2 was a huge departure, presentation woes, from DAO. Then we get new gaming consoles and a new game engine, so DAI evolves further. We're three games, and one big expansion, into the series, and they core gameplay and presentation doesn't feel fully hashed. I think that hurts the series a bit.

[rashie]

It for sure made me appreciate its storytelling aspect more, that's is one thing Bioware did not do quite as well with inquisition but I assume it is because of the open world design that happened. Might be me missing things but it did not have nearly as much "busywork" mmo style content.

 

As far as gameplay goes, I think DA:I is superior to both Da2 and Origins but that is from a perspective from a 100% nightmare mode run.

[Zubie]

Well not really but DA2's combat was better I think. DAI's combat is just, I don't know, weird? It feels clunky. The lack of tactics combined with dumb AI makes it less enjoyable. Sure you can micromanage but it makes some companion skills really cumbersome to use in many situations.

 

Not a fan of the potion and healing system either.

 

I honestly still find DAO's combat to be the best in this series. Not sure why they couldn't have just put a cooldown on poultices and left it at that.

 

With that said, I am still finding my two handed warrior in DAI very enjoyable after i re-tooled by build.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I already appreciated DA2. However, there are some things I think DA2 did better than DAI.

 

- the DA2 plot is still my favourite of the three games. There are points where the execution falls down, but I still think Hawke's story is fundamentally more interesting than that of the Warden or the Inquisitor.

 

- the Tactics system, refined from DAO, was pretty much perfect. And now it's gone . For me, this is the only serious flaw in DAI.

 

- DA2 had a lot of good, plot-heavy side quests. (DAI traded those in for a lot more exploration, which is a valid choice, but I did enjoy things like Magistrate's Orders and the saga of Feynriel,)

 

- There are a bunch of abilities that I miss. The Force Mage tree, Varric's old specialisation, blood magic ... (I can see why they took that last one out from a story POV, but it sure was fun to play.)

 

- Sarcastic Inquisitor is not as funny as Sarcastic Hawke. She has her moments, but nothing that quite matches some of the things purple Hawke could say. ("At least things can't get worse. Today, anyway. I mean, it's pretty late.")

 

- King Alistair's tacked-on cameo in DAI is worse than his tacked-on cameo in DA2.

 

It's too soon for me to say if I love Inquisition more than DAO and DA2, which I ultimately ended up being equally fond of. At the moment I just think they're all great games in their own ways.

[KaiserShep]

I honestly still find DAO's combat to be the best in this series. Not sure why they couldn't have just put a cooldown on poultices and left it at that.

All in all I think DA:O has the best companion AI in general. The mages and archers will retreat away from an enemy to engage in ranged attacks, whereas here everyone thinks they can melee with the best of them. I don't miss the slow combat of DA:O in the slightest, but I do miss the reliable settings for follower behavior.

[Arl Raylen]

DA2 did run way more smoothly. I like DA2 okay, viewing it more as a DA action game with dialogue than as an RPG. The recycled assets and never ending load screens hurt it, for me. Otherwise, I have few complaints.

I enjoyed DAI more, but it has it's issues. It's the buggiest game I've ever played by far (I'm playing on PS4), frame rates routinely drop horribly low, it's a bit of a grind, etc...

I love the world they've created. Now, they need to decide what their vision for this series really is. Thus far, we've played three very different games. I'm not talking about "stand-alone stories in Thedas" different, I'm talking about three mechanically divergent games. I'm all for growth, but I do hope they perfect a formula upon which they can build. (Honestly, I hope the DAI is not that formula. It still plays like an old school PC game. Why can't the gameplay and presentation be as compelling as the story?)

 

Yeah I hated the loading screen on 360, but on PC it's instant. Makes the game much better since you're constantly fast traveling around Kirkwall!

[Zorlagius]

More like DA:I highlights the things that were wrong in DA2. Not so much the story or the characters, but the relatively poor visuals with extreme recycling. DA:I so much better in that regard that it is almost embarrassing. And this impacted everything else that was in the game, because all gameplay action and talking happens in these spaces. All they needed to do was to make locations unique and find better way to put extra waves in combat than parachuting them. That would have been a miraculous improvement, because games like this need that feeling of immersion. You could see from the end fight that had the team actually been able to budget more time and development time for the rest of the game, it could have been improved by miles.

 

DA2 actually had better tactical gameplay. Storywise... DA:I is bit more coherent due to large timeskips in DA2, but end fight was better in DA2 (bit like a drug trip when you go fight Meredith. Just crazy). Corypheus is kind of boring compared to Arishok and Meredith as well. After his good introduction he doesn`t change or surprise at all. He feels literally dumb, although the game constantly says that he is a smart enemy and if you look at the conspiracies he is involved in it really does seem so. But instead he ends up being a little boy wanting to get his lollipop back and nothing much else. Sad really.

[Bfler]

No.

 

DA:O is great, DA2 is shi. , DA:I is ok. 

[Zundar]

- Sarcastic Inquisitor is not as funny as Sarcastic Hawke. She has her moments, but nothing that quite matches some of the things purple Hawke could say. ("At least things can't get worse. Today, anyway. I mean, it's pretty late.")

 

Recognize your mage?

 

I really don't like the story of DA2 but Sarcastic Hawke is awesome.

[Laterali]

I know I'm in the minority, but I liked DA2. I liked the story, I liked the characters, and I liked the setting. I didn't like the recycled dungeons, but I enjoyed everything else. I really love DAO, I still play it regularly, but I liked DA2 as well. I don't get the view where you can only like DAO or DA2. They both have strong points, and both have weak points. How many people chose not to download the "Skip the Fade" mod for DAO because it was just so awesome to spend hours in the fade, running around, and around, and around...

 

That said, DAI's scope pretty much blows both games out of the water. I really miss the tactical aspect of DAO, and even DA2 had tactics where DAI has absolutely none to speak of, but DAI builds from both games to create a bigger and better game than both.

[Texhnolyze101]

No.

[renfrees]

To me, facial animations, combat and tactics are worse in DA:I. The Inquisitor seems faceless, with not much personality. And the companions are... uninvolving, despite all being at the same place, I couldn't care less for half of them. Perhaps removing their quest marks when they wish to speak with you wasn't the best idea.

[Arl Raylen]

Recognize your mage?

 

I really don't like the story of DA2 but Sarcastic Hawke is awesome.

 

I don't play anything but sarcastic/mean Hawke he's just too awesome XD