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[Taleroth]

So Andraste was just what she appears to be and nothing more?  That doesn't sound very much like the BW lore I know.

Bioware doesn't precisely have a pedigree in writing secret history.

But it is suspected that Andraste was a mage.

[Uriko128]

Flemeth was once a young woman who had been betrayed (by her husband because she loved another man). Mythal who had also been betrayed came to her while she was praying to the gods for justice. And the two of them joined to grant justice for one another.

What we know of Andraste is that she was betrayed by her husband because he was jealous of her relationship with the Maker.

It just seems to fit. It also explains why Andraste is so often associated with dragons.

 

It would also explain why Andraste likes elves.

[Lady Mutare]

I have posted in other threads that yes, I think Flemeth is Andraste.

[myahele]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say Andraste contained Mythals soul?

[Rifneno]

Anyone not think that Andraste being born the exact same year as Dumat being slain is the greatest coincidence since Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan?

[Todd23]

I used to, until I found out that she was Mythal. Because I believe Andraste is the ogb of Dumat. ... Whether or not she's managed to get Dumat's soul from her, is another story.

[N7KnightSabre]

I started thinking this last night.  I wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be true.  Imagine Morrigan's face when she finds out that her mother is Andraste herself?  

[Setiweb]

Spoiler

No, but I do think Flemeth took possession Solas at the end.

[pottman]

Anyone not think that Andraste being born the exact same year as Dumat being slain is the greatest coincidence since Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan?

 

Correlation does not imply causation.

[Todd23]

Spoiler

No, but I do think Flemeth took possession Solas at the end.

Spoiler

I don't even consider that Fen'harol's soul just disappeared in that transference. What I am wondering is who is Solas, is he just the dread wolf who took on a persona? Or like Flemeth, a mage who let in an ancient soul? It definitely seemed as if he was getting the short end of what was happening. Is who he was going away or suppressed like Urthemiel seemed to have? Why did she go in to his body- just because it was younger? And if so, what does that mean for Morrigan, and why did Flemeth agree to the exchange with Kieran at all?

[Father_Jerusalem]

I have to say that I like the Andraste = OGB theory more than Andraste = Flemeth theory.

[Setiweb]

Spoiler

I don't even consider that Fen'harol's soul just disappeared in that transference. What I am wondering is who is Solas, is he just the dread wolf who took on a persona? Or like Flemeth, a mage who let in an ancient soul? It definitely seemed as if he was getting the short end of what was happening. Is who he was going away or suppressed like Urthemiel seemed to have? Why did she go in to his body- just because it was younger? And if so, what does that mean for Morrigan, and why did Flemeth agree to the exchange with Kieran at all?

Spoiler

My guess, prolly because that meant more power for her.  Morri did say in Origins something along the lines of the more powerful the mage the easier it is for Flemeth to move in.  This of course brings up the theory that Flemeth is able to override any previous possession and it just adds to her power.  It's like one big happy familly in a single body.

 

But yeah Solas did get the short end of the stick.  She said "I'm sorry" to him the same way Duncan said it to Jory; and we know how that ended.

[robertthebard]

Having completed the game once, and watched all the cutscenes, no.

[Fisva]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Morrigan learn about the OG soul passing to the tainted child from Flemeth's Grimoire? It would mean that Flemeth knew about that for a long time...

[elikal71]

No. Why would an Elven Goddess create a monotheist Chantry?

[TheDragonOfWhy]

No. Why would an Elven Goddess create a monotheist Chantry?

Gods don't make their churches, people make churches.

[Ashagar]

No for one thing Flemeth confirms the legend about her is true and that took place long after Andraste's holy war and burning, in fact its part of the cousland and howe family histories because its part of how the Couslands came to power after the death of in spite of the Howes' clam on Highover.

[Rifneno]

Correlation does not imply causation.

I don't think you know what those words mean.

[Taleroth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Morrigan learn about the OG soul passing to the tainted child from Flemeth's Grimoire? It would mean that Flemeth knew about that for a long time...

She learned about it before then. It was hers and Flemeth's plan from the beginning.

Flemeth probably did know about it for some time. And I'd wager it happened at least once before.

[WarBaby2]

Well, yes and no: Flemeth herself is/was just the host of something far older (whether you call it Mythal or whatever), that could, at some point, have been inhabiting Andraste too... they sure had similar motivations. The central theme of all those characters is retribution.

[New Kid]

I don't think Bioware will connect her with any more deities to be honest.

[Kantr]

So Andraste was just what she appears to be and nothing more?  That doesn't sound very much like the BW lore I know.

We dont know anything about her other than what the chantry says. She may or may not have been a mage, had a dog and her right hand man was an elf.

[Ashagar]

How little we know about her is her strength, it helps feed the mysterious nature of the maker and if he existed at all, added to this is the possibility some of the chant perhaps being misunderstood as it was sung and later written down and the fact that the chantry has altered and excluded parts the chant of light at times.

[Hydwn]

Something clicked for me thinking about this thread...Andraste had two daughters according to an Inquisition codex.  The same codex says that sne had children, but all her descendants only had daughters.  Then history loses track of her.  

 

A century or two later, Flemeth shows up, possessing a steady line of daughters.  There's conjecture that Morrigan was a kidnapped child, but there's some resemblance between her and her mother (the unique eye colour especially).  Flemeth proves nicer in Inquisition than we expected her to be, so maybe she wasn't kidnapping after all.  Maybe they really were all her own biological daughters.  And if so, it'd mean that Flemeth has only had a female line, just like Andraste.

 

How very Da Vinci code!

 

If we follow this line of thinking to its conclusion, it would mean that Flemeth of Highever, who found Mythal, would have been a descendant of Andraste.  And Morrigan would be also (I'm sure she'd love that!).

 

EDIT for relevant codex, found in Haven's chantry:

 

Later in life, Andraste proved predictions wrong and had two daughters by the Betrayer: Ebris and Vivial. They were kept out of the public eye and not permitted to marry, though both had consorts. Ebris had but one child, Alli Vemar, who perished on a voyage to Denerim—less than a month after her mother fell to plague, and without children of her own. The younger daughter, Vivial, was more controversial: a strong-headed woman who defied her family by falling in love with a mage of Tevinter, Regulan. Vivial and Regulan went into self-imposed exile as the Exalted March began, and into hiding following Andraste’s betrayal and murder.

 

What became of Vivial and her descendants is largely unknown for one primary reason: she had only daughters. Each of those daughters only had daughters. They married into other families and took other names, and int he chaos of the Second Blight [ended 100 years before Flemeth's birth], all traces of survivors were lost. Andraste’s true bloodline, if it exists, lies solely in the descendants of Vivial, and the suspicion of my order is that it produces only daughters. Thus the claims of your young man, Monsieur, are highly suspect.

 

[Vasudeva]

Well then, Morrigan being a descendant, wouldn't her child have been female and not male?