Andraste was a red head 
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Sera: "So Cassandra, how long have you been givin' people Andraste's Hairy Eyeball?"
Cassandra: "Andraste's WHAT?!?"
S: "You know, goin' door to door, knock knock, seeker's here, Andraste's Hairy Eyeball."
C: <Very Menacingly> "That's Andraste's holy symbol. An eye wreathed in flame."
S: "Oooooh. I just figured she was a ginger."
C: <Still Menacing> "...she was."
S: "Well, there you go then!"
C <Sighs> "No, no, there we don't go."
Something clicked for me thinking about this thread...Andraste had two daughters according to an Inquisition codex. The same codex says that sne had children, but all her descendants only had daughters. Then history loses track of her.
A century or two later, Flemeth shows up, possessing a steady line of daughters. There's conjecture that Morrigan was a kidnapped child, but there's some resemblance between her and her mother (the unique eye colour especially). Flemeth proves nicer in Inquisition than we expected her to be, so maybe she wasn't kidnapping after all. Maybe they really were all her own biological daughters. And if so, it'd mean that Flemeth has only had a female line, just like Andraste.
How very Da Vinci code!
If we follow this line of thinking to its conclusion, it would mean that Flemeth of Highever, who found Mythal, would have been a descendant of Andraste. And Morrigan would be also (I'm sure she'd love that!).
EDIT for relevant codex, found in Haven's chantry:
This theory holds much more water than the idea that Flemeth and Andraste are one and the same. It run into a snag in that Morrigans child is always a boy, regardless if you do the Dark Ritual, though.
This theory holds much more water than the idea that Flemeth and Andraste are one and the same. It run into a snag in that Morrigans child is always a boy, regardless if you do the Dark Ritual, though.
I knew there was a snag somewhere. Maybe after a thousand years, the line is just that watered down...?
Mentioned right above me. *snip*
This theory holds much more water than the idea that Flemeth and Andraste are one and the same. It run into a snag in that Morrigans child is always a boy, regardless if you do the Dark Ritual, though.
There's a good reason for that, though. Resources/money. Making another model wouldn't have been efficient.
There's a good reason for that, though. Resources/money. Making another model wouldn't have been efficient.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If Morrigan's child was always a girl, I'd actually be completely behind Hydwn's theory and that's still just one model. Resource management has nothing to do with the idea that events in the game seem to invalidate an theory.
I would guess that Kieran's gender is due to them liking the idea of Claudia Black's real life son voicing him.
I would guess that Kieran's gender is due to them liking the idea of Claudia Black's real life son voicing him.
With the problem being that Morrigan tells you before you do the ritual that she will have a son.
Fair enough. I haven't played DAO in years, I had forgotten about that.
I'm going to guess that the spirit we meet in the fade was actually Andraste myself. Even solas seems to find the one impersonating the Divine to be a little odd and toward the end she is very evasive about who she actually is. Could just been the spirit of the Divine/ghost or a spirit taking her memory but personally if there was anything blessed about the second Inquisition at all I suspect that spirit was the closest to divine help that we had.
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I would be very disappointed if the truth about Andraste and the Maker were ever revealed. I would actually be very disappointed, if I learned that the truth exists at all. It just wouldn't fit in with the style Thedas has been portrayed so far.
The Old Gods and the Elven Gods are kind of like old pagan gods. They're very much real, they have a lot of petty issues with each other, and the tales about them feel like soap operas. Andraste, on the other hand, is some kind of Jesus/Muhammad hybrid, while the Maker parallels the God of Christianity. With them, religion became a matter of faith and mystery. Andraste obviously lived, there have been miracles associated with her, and there are a lot of convincing, mutually contradictory conspiracy theories about her nature, but nobody knows the truth. The truth just doesn't exist.
With the problem being that Morrigan tells you before you do the ritual that she will have a son.
I've never heard it.Do you remember when does she say that? Definitely not just before the ritual...
impossible Andraste is not flemeth, and her power are completly different.
Andraste also have some heir who rapresent her bloodline somthing that the developers can use for future games.
I think Flemeth is Mythal and just that. In the same way as Anders was Justice - only Flemeth's 'passenger' is a much, much more powerful spirit.
I'm pretty convinced that Andraste is not connected to either Flemeth or Mythal. I just cannot see a connection. Mythal would not want to fight mages and limit their power.
And I have to say, I'm very, very suprised that they revealed this.
I've never heard it.Do you remember when does she say that? Definitely not just before the ritual...
She definately says it in Witch Hunt DLC.
And as far as I remeber (though I'm not 100% sure) she says it'll be a son just before the ritual in Origins as well.
Oh and by the way - now, in certain playthroughs at least - Flemeth has not only knowledge of hundreds of years old powerful apostate and a spirit of an elven goddess inside her, but a soul of an Old God to boot. If she has malavolent intentions, this could get bad.
Eh, I like the theory that she was a mage who was an agent or Chosen One of the Maker.
It seems to hold as much or more water than any other theory out there.
Something clicked for me thinking about this thread...Andraste had two daughters according to an Inquisition codex. The same codex says that sne had children, but all her descendants only had daughters. Then history loses track of her.
A century or two later, Flemeth shows up, possessing a steady line of daughters. There's conjecture that Morrigan was a kidnapped child, but there's some resemblance between her and her mother (the unique eye colour especially). Flemeth proves nicer in Inquisition than we expected her to be, so maybe she wasn't kidnapping after all. Maybe they really were all her own biological daughters. And if so, it'd mean that Flemeth has only had a female line, just like Andraste.
How very Da Vinci code!
If we follow this line of thinking to its conclusion, it would mean that Flemeth of Highever, who found Mythal, would have been a descendant of Andraste. And Morrigan would be also (I'm sure she'd love that!).
EDIT for relevant codex, found in Haven's chantry:
Very interesting stuff right here. It'd be pretty crazy, and it'll be yet another shock for Morrigan if it is true rofl.
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That isn't spoiler, and stop being the self-appointed forum police, you miserable troll. If you have issues, contact the forum moderators. Because you aren't one. And if you were, you would've been fired for acting so childish.
Also, seek help. Anger management issues ooze from your every post.
Well, since we know that Flemeth's backstory is true(she had no real reason to lie about that after having outed herself as containing Mythal's spirit), it wouldn't make sense:
It just doesn't fit, in any way, in my opinion.
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Just report the twit so a moderator can remind him not assume an authority he doesn't have.
She definately says it in Witch Hunt DLC.
And as far as I remeber (though I'm not 100% sure) she says it'll be a son just before the ritual in Origins as well.
I've listened to what she says just before the ritual and there is no mention of child's gender. It is in Witch Hunt indeed, but never before
Short answer nope.
Longer answer: no because
A) the dev's said they don't want to reveal anything as to whether the marker actually exists
because it is quite clear that flemeth/mythal is a mage (and in a twist an elven "god"), undermining the idea that Andraste was the bride of the maker and proving the true chantry's doctrines correct. which would undermining the propaganda of the heretical southern chantry.
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