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[Rifneno]

Short answer nope.
 
Longer answer: no because
A) the dev's said they don't want to reveal anything as to whether the marker actually exists 
because it is quite clear that flemeth/mythal is a mage (and in a twist an elven "god"), undermining the idea that Andraste was the bride of the maker and proving the true chantry's doctrines correct. which would undermining the propaganda of the heretical southern chantry.

They said they'll never reveal whether the Maker exists (which sucks because I want to murderize him), but they can show the Chantry is wrong about some things without disproving the Maker's existence. They've already all but flat out us that the Chantry's story about the Maker abandoning the Golden City when man trespassed upon it was not true. I can definitely see it turning out that Andraste wasn't really involved with the Maker beyond possibly believing in him.

[DarkSpiral]

I've listened to what she says just before the ritual and there is no mention of child's gender. It is in Witch Hunt indeed, but never before

That as I remember it as well.  All she ever calls the child during her discussion of the Dark Ritual is exactly that: "the child."

[OldSwede]

Just to get things straight ;-)

 

From the Codex entry (taken from the wiki pages)

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Andraste

 

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Furthermore, the official belief of the Imperial Chantry is that Andraste wasn't, in fact, the Maker's Chosen, but rather "just" an extraordinarily powerful mage.

 

This view, which is considered heretical by the Andrastian Chantry, can also be found in a book called "The Search for the True Prophet".

 

Even Empress Celene suspects that Andraste's views were more politically than idealistic.

 

I, myself, would want to believe that Andraste was a great mage -- and to that, it would be super great if Flemeth was Andraste.

(I have yet to get the game, so I can't really tell how I feel, after playing it, except from what I have seen)

[Tevinter Soldier]

They said they'll never reveal whether the Maker exists (which sucks because I want to murderize him), but they can show the Chantry is wrong about some things without disproving the Maker's existence. They've already all but flat out us that the Chantry's story about the Maker abandoning the Golden City when man trespassed upon it was not true. I can definitely see it turning out that Andraste wasn't really involved with the Maker beyond possibly believing in him.

 

I very much doubt it, 3 games all abounding the southern chantries doctrines, we see one of inner circle appointed to said heretical church.

3 games denouncing tevinter and then they just come out and, BTW imperial chantry is correct!

 

this after confirming southern chantries propaganda that the ancient magisters are linked to darkspawn inspite of the fact the notion just arose out of thin air sometime during or after the 3rd blight with absolutely no supportive evidence?

 

It makes little sense to continually show support for southern chantry use it as the bases for everything (even the title comes from the southern chantries calendar) and then suddenly flip it all and say their arch rival is correct.

 

the entire point shoved down our throats during Inquisition is all the maker crap and Mother gazelle(sp) even tell's you Andraste being the makers bride is THE core tenet of the heretical south. Without andraste being the bride of maker the premise of the south being correct is called into question.

 

that she was the bride of maker, that it was the north who changed the chant, Andraste's views on magic, on elves and our species.

all of those exalted marches based on lies.

 

I don't think they would start confirming the fact that the southern chantry is heretical. not when they Ignored leliana's death, had her becoming so important to the series and have pretty much all but assured that in future (books at least) she will be the white the white divine.

 

You don't do all that and then say BTW keystone of the chantry is wrong and the imperial chantry which tried soo many times to be supportive and show unison which was rebuffed by the south soo many times is correct and the south marched on them 4 times for crime of being correct.

 

to base the idea that

A) the Adraste was a mage.

connected to the elven pantheon.

 

shows that they have worked directly against andraste and the maker. first with the march on the dales second with attacks against tevinter for revering mages. 

[OldSwede]

Yes, Tevinter Soldier, I agree. Unfortunately (for me) I do not think they actually can do that (honestly, I think they've painted themselves in a corner with The Maker). I have had kind of strong feelings about being "forced" to be called "Your Worship" and a follower of the Chantry's Andraste --- but I've decided to give it a try. If not for just being the "Wife of Bvyan"

 

Edit: It probably would have been a riot though (no pun intended and pun indented) ;-)

[Ashagar]

They said they'll never reveal whether the Maker exists (which sucks because I want to murderize him), but they can show the Chantry is wrong about some things without disproving the Maker's existence. They've already all but flat out us that the Chantry's story about the Maker abandoning the Golden City when man trespassed upon it was not true. I can definitely see it turning out that Andraste wasn't really involved with the Maker beyond possibly believing in him.

 

I don't know if they really told that other than the magisters did go into the fade, Corypheus in the final fight rants about walking in the golden halls which how if the city was already black as he earlier claimed could he have walked in them? We have to remember he's quite insane so not a reliable source.

[Guardian452]

Is Flemeth Andraste no, is MYTHAL Andraste yes(IMO) both the goddess who was around BEFORE andraste, and then after teh elves fell to teveinter Mythal came back with a new name, then during Flemeths FIRST life(as she changes bodys so much) mythal/andraste heard flemeths prayer taht was similar to what she had gone through, and wanted justice, it also makes sense when you realize the 'dread wolf'is not only the elven wolf god, but was known as Andrastes Mabari when it was andrastes time...Andraste IS Mythal, mythal is just the older name, she even freed south thedas as she once did as mythal to her elevhen brethern millenia before

[Todd23]

Well then, Morrigan being a descendant, wouldn't her child have been female and not male?

And her child is male no matter your race, whom the father is, and whether or not you do The Dark Ritual. Good point! However Flemeth did say that Morrigan isn't her daughter in da2 (however a few things from the story around that time was retconned, such as Morrigan already having found out that Flemeth had planned for more than just becoming immortal and what she was [or at least an idea of what she was] I guess they thought it would be or emotional if you saw her find these things out for yourself). Morrigan also had her own doubt about being her daughter, because Flemeth would never directly say that they were related. So perhaps the person we were talking to was Flemeth in Andraste's body, at some point in the past she went into her body (like Solas'), collecting Dumat's soul along the way (that may have even been how she learned the DR she taught to Morrigan), like she intended to do to Kieran.

[ffleishi]

As said above I deffo think "Andraste" was Mythal...with the fall of the Elven Kingdom it gave humans a chance to assert their dominance. They made religion the Elven gods (if they actually were gods) their own and distorted it to suit themselves; and distributed their lies to Thedas by creating the Chantry. Mythal was betrayed by Elgar'nan ("Maferath") perhaps? It all makes sense, Arlathan was a floating kingdom, as Solas said most of the elven Architecture floated once....just like the Black City in the Fade does. Xx

[NugHugs]

I'm a tad skeptical on "Andraste was Mythal" or "Flemeth is Andraste". It's too much, I don't think Bioware would do that. . ."ok so heres the deal; Flemeth is Mythal, Mythal is Andraste, by extension, Flemeth is Andraste". It's too messy and sounds absurd anyway.

 

Someone mentioned that Flemeth may be a descendant of Andraste or that there's a connection between Andraste's birth year and the slaying of Dumat, the first archdemon. These two theories seem plausible.

[Trickshaw]

Flemeth is not Andraste.

Andraste was dead immediately after her husband betrayed her. It wasn't some long drawn out thing nor was there any kind of resurrection. The entire POINT behind Inquisition was to show you how a person can be idolized regardless of what said person believes. How the legend of the person can grow into insane proportions whether said person wants it to or not.

Andraste, like the "Herald", was most likely a mage who was a victim of circumstance. In the right place at the right time, did great deeds, had a powerful message and was martyred. How exactly people missed the message Inquisition bludgeoned down your throat is beyond my understanding.

[azarhal]

 

 but there's some resemblance between her and her mother (the unique eye colour especially). 

 

Abelas seemed to have the same eye color to me...

[fizzypop]

We have no idea if andraste is even a real person, if she has any connection the maker with my theory she'd have to be a mage, and/or if she was even killed/burned to ash. Just because people say it happened doesn't really mean it did.

[Todd23]

Flemeth is not Andraste.

Andraste was dead immediately after her husband betrayed her.

Killed by the Imperium, according to history... but then again so were the elves of old.

[TheLastArchivist]

Considering Andraste is the Thedas version of Jesus Christ -or something like that - , then she might have never existed, as some people have already said in the thread.

She might be just a myth to justify the First Inquisition, the Exalted Marches, the creation of the Chantry and the Templar Order.

[Todd23]

Considering Andraste is the Thedas version of Jesus Christ -or something like that - , then she might have never existed, as some people have already said in the thread.
She might be just a myth to justify the First Inquisition, the Exalted Marches, the creation of the Chantry and the Templar Order.

Well Jesus is accepted as having existed (whether profit or not) even by non-christians. But Andraste is Saint Joan of Arc if she had been the inspiration for Christianity instead of Jesus. But how long ago it was in history, what we know as Andraste could have been made up (either partially or fully).

[CreepingShadow]

Flemeth is not Andraste, Andraste died centuries before Flemeth was an itch in her father's drawers. That doesn't rule out a connection to

Spoiler

Mythal

though.

[Todd23]

They said they'll never reveal whether the Maker exists (which sucks because I want to murderize him)

They merely implied it when they said how they liked that the maker in their game was as mysterious and lacking of any proven answers like our God, unlike many other games where the gods are not only real, but can be interacted with. They never actually ruled out the possibility of revealing what the maker is or if he exists at all, in a future installment.

[ZipZap2000]

 

 

But it is suspected that Andraste was a mage.

 

I'm in that camp, maybe given power by a demon or spirit. She comes across as more of a Joan Of Arc figure than a Messiah. 

 

That of course means stomping on what we learn in the temple of sacred ashes in DA:O tbf though they were pretty vague and didn't explain a whole lot anyway. 

[ZipZap2000]

Well Jesus is accepted as having existed (whether profit or not) even by non-christians. But Andraste is Saint Joan of Arc if she had been the inspiration for Christianity instead of Jesus. But how long ago it was in history, what we know as Andraste could have been made up (either partially or fully).

 

Temple of sacred ashes in DA:O you speak to her companions ghosts and her husband.

[Todd23]

Temple of sacred ashes in DA:O you speak to her companions ghosts and her husband.

Her alleged companions and husband's ghosts.

[Vanth]

It might be fun to have a DA game where we actually play Andraste's story. (The 'real' Andraste is of course the Iceni goddess of war.)

[PorcelynDoll]

I've listened to what she says just before the ritual and there is no mention of child's gender. It is in Witch Hunt indeed, but never before

When I convince Loghain to do the ritual he says if he does this he doesn't want Anora's little brother showing up and surprising her one day.

[MisterJB]

 

Andraste was a red head

 

http://forum.bioware...aughed-so-hard/

Sera: "So Cassandra, how long have you been givin' people Andraste's Hairy Eyeball?"

Cassandra: "Andraste's WHAT?!?"

S: "You know, goin' door to door, knock knock, seeker's here, Andraste's Hairy Eyeball."

C: <Very Menacingly> "That's Andraste's holy symbol.  An eye wreathed in flame."

S: "Oooooh.  I just figured she was a ginger."

C: <Still Menacing> "...she was."

S: "Well, there you go then!"

C <Sighs> "No, no, there we don't go."

 

Strangely, Chantry mosaics portray her as blond

 

At any rate, we already know what Flemeth is. After five years.
 

[Jayce]

The existence of the Maker is always going to be a question mark but I think we'll probably find out the truth about Andraste eventually.

 

My own pet theory is that Andraste was a powerful mage who was possessed by an even more powerful faith spirit. I don't think there's a connection to Flemeth. I guess we shall have to wait and see.