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90% of buyers will have finished the game before the first patch is released...


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Pootmatoot

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Patching is a complicated business, especially on multiple systems, but come on... it's getting a little bit silly now for a major corporation with the resources of EA.

 

People playing is massively frontloaded to the first few weeks on a single-player game. There's no real point patching after the first month: you're catering to a tiny sliver of your audience at that point.


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So there is no point making game playable anymore since most players have already played broken product? I mean those who actually don't have had game breaking issues with it. If BW didn't patch this game I doubt many would buy their next game though, everyone would remember how broken DAI was and it would be huge blow to BW's reputation.


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As I see it you go one of two ways.

You rush to finished so as to try and justify the money you spent on it, or you take years to complete it as you need someone hold the red-hot poker to the soles of your feet to encourage you to play on.  ;)



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I have not even started my playthrough: http://forum.bioware...-its-problems/ Male Elf model is botched work. It is RPG game where cutscenes play major part, they are vital to this game. If I can't play it without being constantly distracted by the broken-glued arms then I call this game broken. I question BioWare's testing phase and quality check. It is not a hidden, obscure bug but prominent, usurping the Light, you see it everywhere, during all cutscenes.


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Here's an idea - how about you fix bugs before you release games? 

 

On an unrelated note, I really really doubt that - with the amount of filler, it will probably take 60h to beat the game once, and most fans of the series will probably try a couple of playthroughs to see the result of certain decisions. 


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Lord Surinen

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Here's an idea - how about you fix bugs before you release games? 

 

On an unrelated note, I really really doubt that - with the amount of filler, it will probably take 60h to beat the game once, and most fans of the series will probably try a couple of playthroughs to see the result of certain decisions. 

Indeed. These bugs should have not appeared in game at launch. Some bugs can escape quality control, even testers. Broken - glued arms of male elf model? I don't see how it could escape anyone involved in the production.


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Pootmatoot

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Indeed. These bugs should have not appeared in game at launch. Some bugs can escape quality control, even testers. Broken - glued arms of male elf model? I don't see how it could escape anyone involved in the production.

 

 

I think the most obvious bug is that the mesh options have been incorrectly tied into the specular settings.

 

Surely somebody noticed that anything but High Mesh resulted in Lego hair, across all systems. The only explanation is they didn't test anything but the Ultra graphics setting at all... which seems just bizarre.



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The only explanation is they didn't test anything but the Ultra graphics setting at all... which seems just bizarre.

Equally bizarre is the lack of semi-transparent textures for the hair. We finally had them in ME3. Why not in DA:I?



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I think the most obvious bug is that the mesh options have been incorrectly tied into the specular settings.

 

Surely somebody noticed that anything but High Mesh resulted in Lego hair, across all systems. The only explanation is they didn't test anything but the Ultra graphics setting at all... which seems just bizarre.

Mesh, specular settings, sorry, I don't know much about these things - oh wait a moment, I think you mean the glowing plastic hair.

 

Yes, there is also a problem with hair and it is not a pleasant one too, but broken-glued arms? Have you seen them poor male elves? http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/fractures in the arms, glued arms to the ribcage. 



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So what? I finished my first and now I'm starting a second.

 

Plus for consoles blame sony and microsoft.


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Looking forward to play my second playthrough with a sadistic elf rogue. In a related note, I am 75 hours in and barely scratched the surface, me and my completionist brainsauce.
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I pointed this out in one of the announcement threads, but you're right, OP: most of us will already be done with the game by the time it's patched. A very cynical part of me thinks it might be intentional on EA's part because delaying a patch suggests the game isn't as bugged as it is. Patching the game so soon after launch sends the message that it has problems--which hurts new sales.



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Bioware clearly half-assed their testing of this game.

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The two things I have are CTDs and the frozen cutscene dialogs. The CTD's are more a nuisance since the game auto saves so much. The cutscenes a really the worst problem I am having and I haven't had any game breaking issues nor quest breaking bugs like FNV for example. I was lucky not to hit the voice swap with Hawke since I guess i chose the "default" elven male voice but it caught my wife. Overall, it is pretty solid as far as it goes.

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at the rate i'm playing it, they will have released 10 patches before i finish it...

 

the game itself is put together ok, many core features missing and the sort of atmosphere that made dragon age dragon age, i can barely manage to play an hour a session before it gets a bit dull and repetitive, constantly getting frustrated because the AI is total balls, as is the consolized interface

 

started a new game as a mage, combat improved compared to a 2h warrior (it was a nightmare, clunky movement and targeting), bound "attack my target" to Q and "disregard commands" to E... Q to start an encounter or get them to swarm a mob that is attacking me, but it seldom works out because tab doesn't smartly cycle targets so i have to ****** around getting to the right target while i'm getting my face smashed in, it's so fun!



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Guess I'm one of the 10 then, because I ain't done by a long shot and I tend to make several characters to play anyway before finishing the story.. When granted a more open world to explore, then you can bet I'll be spending time on collecting errythang, for certain.

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The two things I have are CTDs and the frozen cutscene dialogs. The CTD's are more a nuisance since the game auto saves so much. The cutscenes a really the worst problem I am having and I haven't had any game breaking issues nor quest breaking bugs like FNV for example. I was lucky not to hit the voice swap with Hawke since I guess i chose the "default" elven male voice but it caught my wife. Overall, it is pretty solid as far as it goes.

It is only solid if you don't play male elf.



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wrong. Most people won't finish the game

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100 Hours in to my first main character. Plan on at least two others. I wish the patching would come out for the (hopefully) better control optimization, but really just so my roomie can play it more smoothly on her less fancy computer. Still - the notion that there won't be anyone playing this game a month after release is pretty much insane.



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If you're an early adopter who buys a game in the first couple of months after the release, you deliberately choose to play an early potentially unstable product. That's just the way software development works. A software product is never fully finished. It's just abandoned when no more patches are released. This is not limited to just games: no sane person upgrades an operating system soon after the release of a new major version.

Besides, if the game is good, you're going to replay it several times over the years.
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Patching is a complicated business, especially on multiple systems, but come on... it's getting a little bit silly now for a major corporation with the resources of EA.

 

People playing is massively frontloaded to the first few weeks on a single-player game. There's no real point patching after the first month: you're catering to a tiny sliver of your audience at that point.

 

Really? 90% ?

 

Show us the hard numbers  and I might listen, with references to your source(s).
 


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If you're an early adopter who buys a game in the first couple of months after the release, you deliberately choose to play an early potentially unstable product. That's just the way software development works. A software product is never fully finished. It's just abandoned when no more patches are released. This is not limited to just games: no sane person upgrades an operating system soon after the release of a new major version.

Besides, if the game is good, you're going to replay it several times over the years.

 

There are a lot of assumptions going on in this post, and you know what they say about assumptions, right?



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I don't want a patch if it doesn't address enough issues or at least major issues. Who would? I'm content. I got through the game. - 82 hours. 

 

First patch - please increase the autosave points. specifically after boss fights. (1st patch please)

Controls -optional. i beat the game with the default setup (later patch)

Lockups - there's a bug in there somewhere... memory leak? <shrug> (1st patch please)

Autoloot - optional. acquiring loot on the PC is painful. (later patch)

Male elf - i don't cross gender play, but apparently the male elf mage(?) is unplayable. (1st patch please)

 

note: i find it hilarious that some folks think the game autosaves too much. they must not have run into a lockup after a boss fight and had to redo that fight 3x before getting through. lol!



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I have to disagree that 90% percent of players will have already finished the game.  More than half of the player base never finish the game, only 42% of players who owned ME3 beat it in the first five months and that game has less content than DA:I.  I am not sure how someone puts in 150 hours of gaming in less than two weeks.  The average human is not gaming that much, this is what happens when you rush to beat a game.  Life is not a race, slow down and enjoy things, we consume so fast just so we can move onto the next hot product.  If you have already beat the game and plan on moving on, why create a thread about "why bother patching". 

You beat the game, move on.
 



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If you're an early adopter who buys a game in the first couple of months after the release, you deliberately choose to play an early potentially unstable product. That's just the way software development works. A software product is never fully finished. It's just abandoned when no more patches are released. This is not limited to just games: no sane person upgrades an operating system soon after the release of a new major version.

Besides, if the game is good, you're going to replay it several times over the years.

No, when I purchase a product then I expect it to be fully functional. I did not pay 219zł to be a beta tester.

 

They should have hire much, much more game testers.

 

 

I don't want a patch if it doesn't address enough issues or at least major issues. Who would? I'm content. I got through the game. - 82 hours. 

 

First patch - please increase the autosave points. specifically after boss fights. (1st patch please)

Controls -optional. i beat the game with the default setup (later patch)

Lockups - there's a bug in there somewhere... memory leak? <shrug> (1st patch please)

Autoloot - optional. acquiring loot on the PC is painful. (later patch)

Male elf - i don't cross gender play, but apparently the male elf mage(?) is unplayable. (1st patch please)

 

note: i find it hilarious that some folks think the game autosaves too much. they must not have run into a lockup after a boss fight and had to redo that fight 3x before getting through. lol!

I don't know about male elf mage but definately male elf model is botched and anybody who bought DA:I with male elf playthrough in mind will be disappointed with exception for people who like broken and glued arms. http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/