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[Dean_the_Young]

It was hardly explicit, but DAI gave what seems to be a little-noticed revelation that has some pretty hefty implications for our understanding of the deep lore and backstory:

 

The Blight in Thedas predates the Magister's entry into the Golden City.

 

Lore buffs have known for some time that Tevinter denies the Chantry's history on the origin of the Blight, cleaiming it came from deep underground on its own, but usually it's been dismissed as self-serving denials by those who wish to avoid any connection or seeming responsibility. For that, Corypheus seems to have been a giant dismissal and disproof. The First Blight does seem to have been a result of the Magister break in.

 

But Bianca's revelation that Red Lyrium is Blight-infected Lyrium was not only a revelation that lyrium is in some sense 'alive' and not just magic metal, but also a clue that the Blight is actually old. Really, really old.

 

How old? Primevial thaig red lyrium idol old.

 

While exact dating of the primevial thaig is impossible, it's existence almost certainly predates the First Blight. It's architecture, distinct from the normal Deep Roads and styles of the Dwarven Empire that fell to the Darkspawn, the implications of the Profane who lived there, the nature of the idol as a deliberate crafted item even though blight-infected Red Lyrium is completely unknown to the Dwarves despite multiple blights and some of the best-preserved histories in Thedas...

 

There are some other possible supporting pieces as well. The Blight-infected eluvian that Merrill works on. Aside from the implication that the Eluvians themselves are somehow alive in order to be infected, the dating of the Elven ruins is also an indicator. The Elven ruins pre-date the First Blight but hundreds, maybe thousands, of years. While the presence of the local Darkspawn does provide an immediate source for its infection, the time window is limited for a full infection. It could be possible that the Eluvian itself was infected before the Fifth Blight... and if that were true, it could suggest that the Blight was present in the period of ancient elven history.

 

This is all, of course, dancing around the point that if Corypheus's infection point was in the Golden City, but that the primevial red lyrium idol existed outside of the Golden City even before that, then it would be a reasonable conclusion that the Blight was deliberatly put into the Golden City at some long-forgotten point... possibly to keep it from harming Thedas, and possibly as far back as some of the insinuations that the Fade and Veil are artifical constructs themselves.

 

Possible implications?

 

In primevial ancient times, as far back as the elves but before the Veil was formed, the Blight existed, was known enough that idols were made of (and from) it, and existed in such a way that it was deliberately contained.

 

The subsequent questions of 'who would make an ideol of blight,' 'who was blighted,' 'who opposed them,' 'why was the veil created,' 'how,' and 'could this be reversed' are all questions that might dig deep into the heart of the deep lore of Thedas's primevial past.

[Hellion Rex]

Damn.

 

Holy hell, I never even thought about that. You're absolutely right. Oooooo, this seriously awakened the lore nerd in me.

 

 

(btw, shouldn't this possibly fit in the DAI section?)

[Dean_the_Young]

Damn.

 

Holy hell, I never even thought about that. You're absolutely right. Oooooo, this seriously awakened the lore nerd in me.

 

 

(btw, shouldn't this possibly fit in the DAI section?)

 

Oops- totally thought I was. Copy and paste, go!

[Aimi]

I agree that it is certainly suggestive that red lyrium is tainted and that the red lyrium idol was found in a thaig that probably predates the First Blight, and I personally think that it's very likely that the taint predates the First Blight based on that evidence. But the evidence is not conclusive.

Mostly because there is the possibility that the idol postdates the abandonment of the primeval thaig.

Expedition members suggest that the room in which the idol was housed was specifically designed to hold it, but that's not necessarily true (they might have been wrong); it may have been left there by a subsequent visitor to the thaig. Certainly there is another thing out of whack about the contents of the thaig. It contains a stone golem, even though golems were supposedly invented by Caridin in -225 Ancient, after the outbreak of the First Blight. The golem might well have come later. Theoretically, the idol could have, as well.

So I agree that the taint probably predates the First Blight. But only "probably".

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

I prefer a more practical explanation.

 

First, let me tell you that in my view, "gods/demons/spirits" are very similar in my view, with that said.

 

We know ancient elves fought among themselves, they had knowledge of Eluvians and probably a much better understanding of the fade than current Thedas, thus it feels to me that the Golden City was just a very fency elven "Imperial Palace" of sorts. Magical knowledge would also seem to be much more powerful back then.

 

Then we have the clash of old gods + elven ones, the old gods were losing (they did get imprisioned afterall) and in a last attempt they create this "awesome" taint and somehow spread it on the Golden City, destroying most of the powerful demon/spirits/elven gods.

 

Fast foward a bit and we have these power hungry/curious/knowledge hungry magisters that though "Hey, lets see whats inside that Black City in the sky!". A expedition was made and when they did open the thing, the taint was unleashed.

 

We have blights. Andraste and her chantry start to appear and with knowledge of what the magisters did, start to spread this religion condemning all mages and such.

 

It was actually more about breaking the opression of Tevinter than going against mages, but the "Magic can bring the end of the world and is evil" is a nice scapegoat to unify the peasantry. It also provides hate fuel against Tevinter authority.

 

And thus we reach current Thedas.

 

 

So yeah, to me its pretty obvious the Taint predates the Blights, it was created in Ancient times and unleashed by Magisters who didint knew what they were doing.

 

Corypherous is even shown as a fool, in the future you get at Redcliffe, he dooms the world and tries to fix it, but (i would guess) ultimately fails to do so.

 

If my "expedition to the golden city" really happened, i would guess The Architect was the "scientist" guy that kept telling them that they need more time for research while Corypherous was the project leader that really wanted results.

[Ashevajak]

I've often suspected that the blight and darkspawn have more to do with dwarven history than the dwarves themselves like to admit.

 

I think the First Blight was likely caused by the return of Corypheus and/or the other magisters (including the Architect if, as many assume, is like Cory).  The timing is too...coincidental otherwise.  But I wouldn't be surprised to discover there were other blights...ones that occured underground, far back in dwarven history.

 

Cole makes a very curious observation, after you recruit him (if you choose the Templar quest in Dragon Age: Inquisition).  I cannot remember exactly how he put it, but he notes that the Templars and Varric are very similar, that they have, in essence, cut themselves off from the Fade almost completely.  He also links it in with the "singing" noise that lyrium makes (I wish I could remember the exact wording).

 

It's almost like the dwarves became a race of Templars, perhaps through extensive proximity to lyrium.  But that doesn't imply that they could never use magic from the start.  Perhaps they did, and they visited the Golden City first.  Maybe it was already black, like it was for Corypheus, maybe they did something there they shouldn't have and it turned black.  We know dwarves can enter the Fade, with powerful magical assistance.  We also know dwarves have tried to weaponise fade spirits before now, with their experiments in Amgarrak, though admitttedly with Tevinter assistance. So it's not like the Fade is unknown to them, or that they're prevented from entry totally.

 

So maybe they screwed up, unleashed the blight deep under the world, in their primeval thaigs.  They moved closer to the surface, buried the thaigs, the "deeper" Deep Roads and altered the histories so no mention was ever made of it again.  And perhaps they did whatever they did to cut themselves off from the Fade in order to prevent any current or future dwarfs from repeating their mistake.

[SwobyJ]

Man, everyone sure sucks in Thedas.