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[Lord Raijin]

/facepalm 

 

like this game gave you a challange in collecting few elfroots and some ores... 

It's called exploring

[Kantr]

Apparently Bioware does care what we do to our game files because they do not allow us to mod our game like Bethesda did with Skyrim.

 

To that respect I can understand where Bioware is coming from considering the fact that if people start modifying their game files without an approval of the developers can become a huge problem later down the road with new games being released.

There are no tools to mod because Bioware didnt make the engine. Dice did and you can only get the toolset under a licensing agreement

[Efvie]

It's physically impossible to prevent or to detect (and the main reason any game with microtransactions stores all relevant data on servers)

 

It most certainly isn’t impossible to detect

[Rannik]

It most certainly isn’t impossible to detect

 

It is if you pull the ethernet cable.

[Coyote X Starrk]

If they are using it in multiplayer then yes that is bad. 

 

There is not anything even remotely wrong with using it in single player. 

 

You can dislike it on principle, which I do. I believe you should play the game correctly and the way it is intended. 

 

That being said you shouldn't ban someone for using mods/cheats/exploits in a single player campaign. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

There are no tools to mod because Bioware didnt make the engine. Dice did and you can only get the toolset under a licensing agreement

But EA own DICE and EA own Bioware, so it would have just been a matter of EA making an agreement with itself.

[Sartoz]

  How can you Role play by cheating? Can you explain the situation when you magically have an infinity of money and resources?

I'm merely using my superior tactical abilities to beat the game. What's your beef?

[errantknight]

The software can be used to do many things that aren't even remotely cheating, for instance, to change the tactical view to a DA:O isometric. What you do with it is up to you, but there's nothing intrinsically evil about the software.

[Kantr]

But EA own DICE and EA own Bioware, so it would have just been a matter of EA making an agreement with itself.

Yes I know. But they havent.

[Ieldra]

There is no cheating in a SP game, since there's no one but you who is affected by your changing the rules. In a SP game, it's not cheating but modding.

 

I do not think they ban people for using Cheat Engine in SP. Such things may happen by accident but I very much doubt they do it as a rule.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Yes I know. But they havent.

I suspect they haven't because they don't want a toolset out there for Frostbite that might get used to mod Battlefield or whatever other games they use the engine for. If it were just DAI, they probably would have allowed it, but because the engine is (apparently) going to be widely used by EA subsidiaries for making games over the next few years, they probably don't want to give people the ability to tinker with every game they release. Of course, Cheat Engine would appear to make that something of a moot point.

[Lord Raijin]

I'm merely using my superior tactical abilities to beat the game. What's your beef?

No beef (I did eat a juicy steak last night.. it was delicious). But you're missing the point here. The video Lady Insanity posted up had nothing to do with using the software to improve the player's tactical abilities but to use it to get Infinite Gold/Material in the game using a third party software. That is flat out cheating right there, and according to her own description she warns about a potential adware that this software may carry if you accidentally accept the offers that the software gives to you during the installation process. Not a good thing to encourage to your 47,412 subscribers to download if I maybe so bold.

 

And for the record... I don't care what other people do to their game. They've bought it and can do whatever they desire... Just don't expect a positive response when you admit to cheating. Just like those who pirate the game cheating is equally bad.

[Darkly Tranquil]

And for the record... I don't care what other people do to their game. They've bought it and can do whatever they desire... Just don't expect a positive response when you admit to cheating. Just like those who pirate the game cheating is equally bad.

 

For someone who claims not to care, you have been sitting on that high horse for quite some time.

[Grieving Natashina]

For someone who claims not to care, you have been sitting on that high horse for quite some time.

No doubt.  

 

I find this whole stance fascinating.  Despite the statements of BioWare stating they don't care if someone uses cheat codes in single player, it's as bad as piracy.  Huh.  See, I thought piracy meant that I was not paying for the game, and thereby ripping the company off directly.  Cheat codes in a single player game can save time on things like crafting material gathering.  

 

 Using cheat codes in a game to shortcut either level grinding or material grinding isn't ripping off the company in any way, shape or form.  That's ridiculous nonsense, and I think they know it.   Yeah, I think I'm just going to stick with how the company feels on this one.   They've stated several times that using things like Cheat Engine in MP will merit a ban, but single player is no concern of theirs. 

 

I appreciate the...intensity of the feelings and the passion behind the posts.  It's utterly crazy, but hey, can't say they lack for dedication.

 

My advice: If you really think that cheating in SP is as bad as ripping the company off, please ask a dev.  Ask a BioWare developer or a writer if they think that using a program like Cheat Engine in a single player game is as bad as piracy.   Please do this either on twitter, or send them a polite PM.  Let us know how it goes and share your answer.

 

If you think it's pointless to try, because a dev might disagree with you, then that should be a clue right there.  As an example, I don't care if any of the posters in this thread ends up using a cheat code to get 99 elfroots to cut down on farming in their single player game.  It doesn't affect me, nor does it affect the sales of the company.  

 

Don't like cheating, that's fine by me.  However, to equate cheating in a single player game with piracy is just plain stupid.  I've given the company my $60.  I would not use Cheat Engine/console commands to gain an advantage over others in a multiplayer game.   Why should you really care what I, or anyone else, do in the single player game as long as no one is hurting anyone else?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Apparently Bioware does care what we do to our game files because they do not allow us to mod our game like Bethesda did with Skyrim.

 

To that respect I can understand where Bioware is coming from considering the fact that if people start modifying their game files without an approval of the developers can become a huge problem later down the road with new games being released.

This has nothing to do with how they feel about you modding and everything to do with the fact that the engine they use incorporates 3rd party plugins, just like their modified version of UE3 for the mass effect trilogy. As such, they are unable to release the editors used to develop the game since most, if not all, of these 3rd party plugins require licensing.

[Lord Raijin]

No doubt.  

 

I find this whole stance fascinating.  Despite the statements of BioWare stating they don't care if someone uses cheat codes in single player, it's as bad as piracy.  Huh.  See, I thought piracy meant that I was not paying for the game, and thereby ripping the company off directly.  Cheat codes in a single player game can save time on things like crafting material gathering.  

 

 Using cheat codes in a game to shortcut either level grinding or material grinding isn't ripping off the company in any way, shape or form.  That's ridiculous nonsense, and I think they know it.   Yeah, I think I'm just going to stick with how the company feels on this one.   They've stated several times that using things like Cheat Engine in MP will merit a ban, but single player is no concern of theirs. 

 

I appreciate the...intensity of the feelings and the passion behind the posts.  It's utterly crazy, but hey, can't say they lack for dedication.

 

My advice: If you really think that cheating in SP is as bad as ripping the company off, please ask a dev.  Ask a BioWare developer or a writer if they think that using a program like Cheat Engine in a single player game is as bad as piracy.   Please do this either on twitter, or send them a polite PM.  Let us know how it goes and share your answer.

 

If you think it's pointless to try, because a dev might disagree with you, then that should be a clue right there.  As an example, I don't care if any of the posters in this thread ends up using a cheat code to get 99 elfroots to cut down on farming in their single player game.  It doesn't affect me, nor does it affect the sales of the company.  

 

Don't like cheating, that's fine by me.  However, to equate cheating in a single player game with piracy is just plain stupid.  I've given the company my $60.  I would not use Cheat Engine/console commands to gain an advantage over others in a multiplayer game.   Why should you really care what I, or anyone else, do in the single player game as long as no one is hurting anyone else?

 

Cheating destroys the value of the game that has to offer to you to which the developers worked so hard for you to enjoy all comes in ruins because you're not patient enough to collect an x amount of elfroots.

 

but anyhow I'm getting rather bored of this subject so I'm going to leave it as it is. Like I said before I don't care if you, Lady Insanity or anyone else cheat... just don't expect people to embrace your role-playing standards.

[Grieving Natashina]

Heh, well don't worry.  I wouldn't ask you to "conform" to my playstyle, because everyone has their own style of playing games.  I don't think there is a right or wrong way to play a single player game.  It's all about having fun, or at least the last time I checked.  

 

That's the beauty of a single-player video game: We're free to play how we want.  

[Lord Raijin]

Heh, well don't worry.  I wouldn't ask you to "conform" to my playstyle, because that would be silly.  That's the beauty of a single-player video game: We're free to play how we want.  

I agree

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

Yeah, I would have to say equating piracy to exploiting (or modding) the game I paid for and own is incorrect. I'm 100% against piracy for movies, music, games, and any other forms of media as it is illegal and harms the company trying to make money off of the game they spent thousands upon thousands of collective hours to create.

I've beaten the game twice now and that was w/o knowledge of any exploits, so I feel for this next PT, I have earned a reprieve from doing a bunch of mundane tasks to get some pieces for an armor I want to make, I feel I have the right as it is now my game!

 

Obviously though, we all have our own opinions and views on this, so I won't belabour  my views any longer

[Corto81]

It's a single player game.

I don't cheat because I don't see the point.
I did type in my IDDQD in old Doom / Duke Nukem games 20 years ago.

 

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I honestly can't understand why someone would get their panties in a bunch over what someone else does in their single-player game.

I don't even understand why this should be an issue.

And no, in no universe can you get banned for cheating in a single player game.

[fireundubh]

Why is this even a thread?

1. Cheat Engine doesn't work on online games most of the time because most developers are smart enough to not store cheatable data on the client system.
    
2. Cheat Engine's developers officially do not support cheating in online games. You can be banned from the Cheat Engine forum for requesting online cheats.
    
3. If Inquisition's co-op is made possible through Origin, both the terms of service and the appropriate laws apply while you are playing co-op.
    
4. If you cheat in co-op unbeknownst to your friends, you probably shouldn't have any.
    
5. Finally, Cheat Engine is the only means we have to mod Inquisition right now. The latest table is also proving essential to figuring out the various file formats.

[animedreamer]

I don't know money and resources don't seem all that hard to get. I mean, when i opened up Val Royxeau i had enough money to buy the tier 2 schematic for armor of my chosen class, and you use that for a large part of the game if you are a mage as better mage armors aren't that common where as around lv 7 or 8 you could find a unique and powerful heavy armor set super quick. (Mercenary Fort), i don't see the reason to cheat like this unless you are trying to make armor for everyone, which I don't do. I make armor for my PC and if there is another character in the party with the same class i hand down my previously used equipment to them unless they found something of equal or better power than what im handing down.

 

I also don't buy weapons or armor, only schematics.

[fireundubh]

The latest Cheat Engine table allows you to among other things:

• Edit items in both your inventory and in shops
• Modify your carrying capacity
• Enable an infinite zoom level for both normal and tactical modes that enables you to make Inquisition look like Origins
• Control the FOV
• Enable a free camera mode

[Kantr]

 

The latest Cheat Engine table allows you to among other things:

• Edit items in both your inventory and in shops
• Modify your carrying capacity
• Enable an infinite zoom level for both normal and tactical modes that enables you to make Inquisition look like Origins
• Toggle the HUD on and off for screenshots
• Enable a free camera mode

 

The hud one can be done via the console easily.

[Rannik]

Cheating destroys the value of the game that has to offer to you to which the developers worked so hard for you to enjoy all comes in ruins because you're not patient enough to collect an x amount of elfroots.

 

If the mechanics they designed end up pushing people towards cheats they already failed, period.

 

See ME2's planet scanning , which is probably Bioware's worst offender.