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[Morroian]

They are definitely better mainly I think because the writing is much better for them.

[Ashagar]

They certainly have better banter, I greatly enjoyed how the trio of Solas, Cassandra, and Varric would play all off each other.

[Bladenite1481]

Origins for me. Love Leliana, she was the cheerleader but she was interesting and it was your actions not something off screen about cookies or saving a random person that saved her. It was your actions with that character that made them evolve through the game. None of the companions change much in this game, they are who they are..you take them or leave them. Sure they give reasons why they are who they are, but they don't change or evolve. For the most part they could have put anyone from the inquisition in my group and taken most of their places. 

 

I don't see how DAI characters are any more adult. They curse, they are more violent and they are broody but the stories themselves are no more sophisticated or mature. I will add a caveat that I never got interested in any of the DAI characters, I didn't even want to romance anyone because I found them all boring but I wanted to see if it got better so I romanced Cassandra, it did not get better. Instead of plucky stereotypes that grew into something more laudable with you like in DAO I never felt that any of the characters in DAI did anything but serve as check marks to make the story itself make sense. 

[Kel Eligor]

I liked some more here, some more there. I really liked Morrigan, Alistair & Shale in DA:O. Although her introduction had me think she was completely nuts, Lelianna eventually grew on me. DA2 arguably has my favourite cast of companions - I loved all of them except Sebastian, who came off as a total chantry zealot. I know a lot of people found Anders polarizing, but the fact that he garners such a strong reaction to his actions says volume about how well written he was.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I love the companions in Inquisition, but I didn't feel as strong a connection to them as previous characters. The relationships seemed a little less personal. I respected Solas' intelligence, Vivienne's keen and ruthless political mind and Iron Bulls camaraderie, but Blackwall seemed a bit flat, Sera was sometimes funny, sometimes just rude, and not relatable. I was thrilled that Varric was back but even in Inquisition you interact less with him, bar a certain mourning scene. I loved Dorian more than anyone, since I felt his story hit close to home for a lot of people; it had a sense of realness to it that I didn't necessarily get from others. That's not to say everyone else did not have their moment (Cassandra with the smut novel for example) but those moments seemed few and far between.

 

Contrary to other games, I don't hate anyone but I almost feel like I need a whole other game's worth of content to get attached to these characters! Bring it on Bioware

[Captain Obvious]

I honestly don't get the love for Alistair. He didn't have much going for him except being that jokester with a sob story. Morrigan came off as one of those obligatory "Goth" characters.

 

I actually like Morrigan in Inquisition more than Origins.

[nt95]

I prefer Origins.  Morrigan was my favorite to romance because you and to work at it as she tries to push you away.  I was a unique and rewarding relationship.  In DAI I was glad to see Morrigan but kinda sad that I couldn't romance her again.  Leliana is just up there as well.  I was sad that she wasn't a romance option but maybe that could be in the DLC?  If she's changing everything about the Chantry perhaps being allow to marry could be one of those.  I can always hope. 

 

One difference between DAI and DAO ... with DAI there are so many companions that I never felt I really got to know any of them very well.  There may have been more cut scenes with then in DAI but it's not as meaningful when you're getting to know so many of them.  This aspect should improve as I replay several times and will spend more time with the DAI companions.  

 

Also, the OP make me think of a Shale romance ... *shudder* 

[Gamyu]

No.

 

Shale and Dog beat any companion.

 

Anyway, DAI companions are great, but DAO companions are better imo, they just feel more realistic. DAO companions are there because they each have a clear reason why they're in the party.  Some of the DAI companions are there just because they want to.

[errantknight]

Well, I prefer my end of the world lightened with a bit more humor. I was thinking about why Origins seemed to have that and, really, it all comes down to Alistair. He was always lightening the mood and the other characters responded in kind. For some reason the same kind of banter in DA2 often felt more meanspirited. Yes, Morrigan could be quite mean but when you looked at her upbringing, it seemed forgivable. I've been trying to put my finger on why the succeeding games seemed more dour, and I think it might be as simple as the lack of a straight-up good humored nice guy in the mix. If everyone has complications, an intense nature or is quiet/serious/etc., There's no one to instigate fun. Varric fills that roll here, and Dorian to an extent, but they both have an edge that Alistair didn't.

 

I like Inquisition almost as much as Origins, and that's really saying something. I find the characters compelling and interesting. I live the new approval system.

But I still liked not only the characters of Origins better, but the mix of characters and the way they interacted. It was kind of a lightning in a bottle thing, I think.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Bladenight1481:  Ah, but the reason you stated is why they are more adult.  It has nothing to do with sex, drugs and swearing.

 

As people grow, they become more mentally solid.  That is to say, they're not bewildered all the time and wondering about who they are, or what they're going to do next.  They make a decision and they go with it.  They do this, because adults are not given the copious amount of free time that children are given.  To survive - you must make a decision or ten thousand.

 

That is not to say that adults have it all together - not at all.  That is to say that adults do not have the free time to mull over their decisions.  They make them, screw up, and pay for it.  That's what makes these people - even Leliana and Morrigan - more adult.

 

Take Leliana for example - she has her mind made up about Morrigan from our conversations - and it isn't nice.  She's formed an opinion.  Morrigan has grown into a woman who cares about her child and his needs over her own selfishness (it would be very interesting to find she hasn't changed if she didn't have the kid) 

 

Adults are also FAR more resistant to being changed than children and twenty somethings are (though yes, twenty somethings are technically adults).  These people don't need you to tell them who to be - they don't need to have an adult lead them and make decisions for them.

 

It is their independence that makes them feel more adult... not anything sort of trashy material (which is actually far more childish than "mature") 

[luridedith]

Yes! I love Origins but too many warriors with the same gruff worldview. While Alistair/Leliana/Morrigan will always be my favourite party team for nostalgia's sake, I think all the Inquisition companions are much more fleshed out and varied, all have very strong and different opinions from one another. Vivienne is a bitchier, funnier Wynne, Dorian is Zevran with more depth, Varric and Iron Bull are less stereotypical than Oghren and Sten, Cole is a HUGE improvement over Justice's lameness, Leliana and Morrigan have matured. Yes Sera's annoying and her world view is not particularly intelligent but she's probably the most unique and best written character in the game, never thought I'd see a 'chav' elf. I really love the whole cast, even when they hate me or annoy me.

[Gamyu]

Yes! I love Origins but too many warriors with the same gruff worldview. While Alistair/Leliana/Morrigan will always be my favourite party team for nostalgia's sake, I think all the Inquisition companions are much more fleshed out and varied, all have very strong and different opinions from one another. Vivienne is a bitchier, funnier Wynne, Dorian is Zevran with more depth, Varric and Iron Bull are less stereotypical than Oghren and Sten, Cole is a HUGE improvement over Justice's lameness, Leliana and Morrigan have matured. Yes Sera's annoying and her world view is not particularly intelligent but she's probably the most unique and best written character in the game, never thought I'd see a 'chav' elf. I really love the whole cast, even when they hate me or annoy me.

I see the too many warriors in DAO thing as more realistic than DAI companions.  Seriously, 9 companions and everyone of them have a different advanced class? While it makes sense for the gameplay, to bring varieties to combat, it doesn't seem realistic to me.

[Bladenite1481]

So them being stoic stereotypes of those affected by the giant rift makes them more adult? I don't really agree. I think a lot of what makes Morrigan and Leli is what you and your HoF went through with them. A sort of coming of Age together kind of thing. 

 

The DAI group feel more like soldiers tossed into my group because, reasons. I would have rather had the Templar who first rebels than most of the team. Cole is interesting but wears thin after a while. The whole idea of a youthful maturity mixed with boundless intellect and knowledge in the shell of a very compassionate being is a fascinating story, but the companion is less interesting and the purpose for making him a Rogue instead of his own special class seems much like the rest of the game..mechanical, contrived and filling in an open check box. 

 

I think Adults compromise and change all the time. To me what makes an adult is someone who is willing to stand for what they believe in and yet have the courage still to understand when they are wrong. Not changing and holding fast to your beliefs no matter the opposition or facts against it isn't being an Adult, its being stubborn. A kid can be stubborn too, just ask any parent. 

[Spectre4hire]

Yes, I'll take the companions of Inquisition over Origins.

 

Then again that's just my opinion. 

[Proposition_Joe]

No, i liked the romance options much better in Origins, the romances where more grown up even though the system for initiating them where worse.

I liked the companions much better, felt like they had more to say. And the banter was soo much better in Origins in this game that was very quiet.

[Todd23]

No.

[Primeyuri]

Less likeable but more interesting

[M Hedonist]

There's definitely more content for each individual companion than for any one in DAO.

Blackwall actually has me feel conflicted towards him, in a good way. Some of the companion quests in DAI made me think harder on what to do than anything in DAO did.

I care for all the character in DAI and the banter is great, I even like Sera. I'd take Sera over Alistair any day of the week - Alistair's attempts at humor were always out of place and made me cringe, plus he was constantly whining. Also, Leliana talking about the Maker telling her to go with you was always awkward in a very strange way.

 

Edit: On a related note, apparently, you can miss out on companion quests. There are people who beat the game and missed Blackwall's whole arc. That is sad.

[Rawgrim]

No. They were more fleshed out in Origins. The ones in this game are better than the ones in DA2, though.

[Morroian]

 And the banter was soo much better in Origins in this game that was very quiet.

 

But thats because of the bug.

[Chrom72]

I don't think I could do a blanket statement of which one had better companions. Alistair, Leiliana (hardened), and Morrigan are still probably my 3 favorite, though I will allow that there's some nostalgia there. That doesn't mean I dislike the ones in DAI though. In fact, there isn't a single companion I disliked in DAI, although I was ambivalent towards Cole. That's a big step up from DA2 where the only four I really liked were Bethany, Varric, Aveline, and Carver (sibling rivalry is fun). Merril and Isabella were alright, and I disliked Anders, Fenris, and Sebastian. 

[TyDurden13]

It's pretty close.  I don't think anyone in DA:I was as compelling as Morrigan, but I think the DA:I companions are better top to bottom.  Since the games have nine companions each, many of whom share similar dynamics, let's pit them head-to head:

 

Bout 1: Plot-Centric SnB Warriors Who Were Much More Interesting Than They Should Have Been

Alistair v. Cassandra

Cassandra is a great character, but Alistair was revolutionary for Bioware: a male lead  who was actually interesting, breaking the Carth Onasi/Kaiden Alenko "boring drip" mold.

Winner:  Alistair, by a hair.

Round 1 to DAO.

 

Bout 2: Enigmatic Mystics

Morrigan v. Solas

This would not even be close of it wasn't for the revelations at the end DAI. Even so, Solas is not interesting until the very end of the game.  Morrigan is interesting every time she appears.

Winner:  Morrigan, approving.

DAO up 2-0

 

Bout 3: Dwarf on Dwarf 

Oghren v. Varric

No contest here.  Varric is the man, and just way more compelling than Oghren's stale ale swilling, axe-wielding dwarf routine.

Winner: Varric, breaking sterotypes in a landslide

DAO up 2-1

 

 

Bout 4: Comedic Heavies

Shale v. Iron Bull

The toughest matchup of all.  Iron Bull is colorful, hugely entertaining, and a delight to have in your party for banter.  But all those things are also true of Shale, who in addition has one of the better backstories in the series.

Winner:  Shale, by a pigeon's feather.

DAO up 3-1

 

 

Bout 5: Stoic Warriors

Sten v. Blackwall

Sten has his moments, but is ultimately (if entertainingly) one-note.  Blackwall's relative depth, grim wit, and beard ultimately win the day.

Winner: Blackwall.  Yes.

DAO up 3-2

 

 

Bout 6:  Zesty Northerners

Zevran v. Dorian

A really close one!  Both of these characters delight me.  Dorian just delights me a little bit more.

Winner: Dorian, the slighlty handsomer devil

Even at 3-3

 

 

Bout 7: FemArchers with...Accents

Leliana v. Sera

Sure, Sera was Never, but Leliana's Song was a title-screen classic. It soothed wild beasts and melted the hearts of even the most callous woods witches.

Winner: Leliana, dropping the mic, not to mention the shoe and the gauntlet.

DAO back up, 4-3

 

Bout 8: Mages Who Love Their Circles!

Wynne v. Vivienne

A pretty easy one from my perspective.  In life, and in video games, acerbic haughty wit will always beat earnest good advice.

Winner: Vivienne

Even at 4-4

 

Bout 9: The Pet Monsters, for all the marbles

Dog v. Cole

These two are pretty close.  I was not expecting much from either going into the game, with Dog being a slobbering mute and Cole being a goth.  But, they are both interesting for what they bring out in others, which in both cases is pretty entertaining.  Cole's behavior unnerving the other companions ultimately falls short of the utter hilarity of the Dog interactions at camp.

Winner:  Dog

 

DAO takes it, 5-4.

 

 

Decision: Inquisition had more easy victories (2-1), and lost more of the closer ones (also 2-1), so this could have gone the other way with more favorable matchups.  But, int he end Origins pulls it out by the narrowest of margins - and all because they brought their Dog.  Always, always bring your dog.

[Alejandrawrr]

Nothing will ever top my nostalgia for Alistair and Morrigan. That said, I do think this might be the strongest total cast so far, but not by much as one thing you can't take away from Bioware (well, at least the DA writers) is that they always kill it when it comes to companions tbh. There hasn't been a weak cast so far, and I actually thought Inquisition's would be it in the weeks heading up to the game but every companion I doubted completely surprised me.

Oddly, I didn't care for Leliana much in Origins. Half the time she rambled about Orlesian hats/shoes/whatever I just zoned out, she was a bit like Final Fantasy X's Maechen in that regard. Did a complete 180 in Inquisition though, I like and respect her much more now.

[jsachun]

Only think I like about the new companion system is that they freely use explicit language in their dialogue.

[Abaddon_86]

LeL. No, clearly I didn't find them better than those in DA:O in the slightest.

[Giantdeathrobot]

The companions themselves are kinda equal, but the banter is much better I find (when its not bugged at any rate). Varric and Sera, Cassandra and Cole, Solas and Cole, and Iron with... basically anyone were golden. Especially Iron Bull-Vivienne.