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If you play as Cousland your mother will tell you not to be mean about the dog because your father paid a lot of money for him.

 

The Hawkes have a mabari and were poor.

 

The MacTirs had a mabari and were poor.

 

So how does this happen? I can't see a breeder saying 'fly, be free' to a litter of puppies, sending them on a rites of passage to find their new people to bond with.

 

Perhaps if you are chosen and can't afford they are given to you anyway? And if you can afford it then you pay through the nose?

 

What are your ideas on this?



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The Hawkes also used to be rich before Leandra ran off, so the dog likely followed her. Malcolm also ran with an interesting crowd before he settled down with her, so he probably picked it up in his travels. Then again, I didn't even see the dog until after Hawke bought a home in Hightown, so unless there's something I'm missing, s/he likely got it then.

 

Besides, even pedigree dogs end up with "duds" in the litter, or sometimes manage to produce less valuable pups, or even mutt with other breeds (no matter how careful the handlers are, accidents happen). Just ask any dog breeder, or my sister who loves "rich people dogs" (like King Cavalier Spaniels or Corgis) which rarely make it to rescue shelters because they're so valuable. Those that do are generally ones with health problems or believed not to be as high or show quality as others of their breed. While Mabari are rich people dogs, I'm guessing the less valuable ones can trickle down into more common hands.

 

As in real life, the Kennel Master at Ostagar also implies that some dogs of the breed are higher quality than others. He mentions that the dog you rescue is a "promising member of the breed," and doesn't want to put him down for that reason. There's also imprinting; Mabari are war dogs, and thus likely imprint most often on nobles, knights, and soldiers. However, war has a high mortality rate (obviously), and when the owner does the Kennel Master mentions that "re-imprinting is very difficult." What do you do with a number of Mabari who've been bred to only obey their imprinted master, but their master is dead and they won't re-imprint very easily? Or (heaven forbid) become too injured or crippled to be effective war dogs from then on?

 

I get the impression that Cousland's mom gripes about it costing a lot of money because it happens to be a more valuable member of its breed. When you're the second most wealthy and powerful family next to the royal family, you're going to buy the best of the best, yes?



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Just to expand on what Faerunner said, in real life I once paid ~$800 for a registered Border Collie, plus travel expenses and considered it to be a fair deal due to the dog's bloodline and the fact that she had all of her paperwork. On the other hand, a few years back my father paid less then half that for his registered Border Collie with no travel expenses, but different bloodlines. (Still an excellent dog, by-the-way.)

 

 

Same thing holds true for most livestock, different bloodlines are worth more then others even when the actual "real" difference is as small as a very slight color pattern or just coming from a stud that won more awards.



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Just to expand on what Faerunner said, in real life I once paid ~$800 for a registered Border Collie, plus travel expenses and considered it to be a fair deal due to the dog's bloodline and the fact that she had all of her paperwork. On the other hand, a few years back my father paid less then half that for his registered Border Collie with no travel expenses, but different bloodlines. (Still an excellent dog, by-the-way.)

 

 

Same thing holds true for most livestock, different bloodlines are worth more then others even when the actual "real" difference is as small as a very slight color pattern or just coming from a stud that won more awards.

 

Actually, that's a really good way of putting it. I'm sorry to say "some are more valuable / less quality than others" because that's not true. What I should have said, "Some dogs are considered higher quality than others" even if the difference is negligible.

 

Funny you should mention slight coat pattern in the perceived value of a dog. We got a pure-bred golden retriever when I was a kid, who was slightly darker and coarser than her bright golden siblings. Despite this minor difference, all the siblings in her litter got sold by the two month mark while she was still around at 3 months, just because she didn't look as bright and pretty as her siblings. (Apparently people want golden retriever puppies who look like this and less like this.) Thankfully for her, my mom picks based on personality; she was put off by all the little sunny retriever puppies jumping and barking hyper-actively, while she fell in love with the quiet, mellow, older one who calmly walked up and put her head in her lap. Needless to say, my dog's undesirable age and color made her much cheaper than the more marketable sunny golden tiny puppies.

 

But yeah. Ancestry, bloodlines, paperwork, coat colors, etc. Many different factors contribute to whether a dog of a certain breed is considered more valuable than another. The Couslands and Amells could probably afford pedigree Mabari, while the poorer people with Mabari could have gotten some from less "valuable" bloodlines, mixed lineage, runt of the litter, some leftover hound from some battle, etc.



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Very good points, one thing though is that I don't remember whether or not anything is actually said about the "value" of Hawke's dog. The reason that I mention it is that it's my understanding that Hawke's mother was disowned for running off with Malcomb so that coupled with the Hawke family's need to keep a low profile would suggest to me that Hawke's dog should be one of the cheaper ones.  

 

 

 

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Something to consider is how long does a Mabari actually live? I seem to remember something in the Codex talking about the breed being created through magic in the past ... but of course, the typical Codex Disclaimer applies.



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The OP said that the Hawkes are poor yet they have a Mabari. I pointed out that the Amells were loaded before Leandra ran off, and the whole point of Act 1 is to regain the family fortune. By Act 2, the Hawkes are living in Hightown. I don't know about you, but I also didn't see the dog before Hightown in Act 2 (not while fleeing Ferelden and not in Gamlen's house), so I assumed they got it after they regained their fortune.

 

The Mabari were bred through magic to be more intelligent than most dogs, and have been selectively bred to be fast and strong fighters since then besides. I don't know, I assumed they live about as long as most larger dogs. Maybe 12-16 years if they don't die in battle, without the "shorter lifespan for huger dogs" rule that usually applies to huge dogs.



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I wouldn't have thought that Leandra would have a mabari - more a lap dog, if any. But yes, the dog is there right from the start when they are running for their lives. Just about the time you take control of Hawke. And now you've mentioned it - he doesn't look like my warden's dog. Alas - throughout 2 none of them do.



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I always thought Hawke picked up the Mabari in Ostagar. *shrugs*

 

In the real world, you get people who get a certain breed of dog from a big-time breeder for a lot of money, and others who get it from either a less expensive breeder, or a shelter or pet store*, for a lot less. When I was growing up, we had an English Springer Spaniel, the same breed of dog the Bush family had. But I doubt we paid as much for him as they did for Millie. I imagine something similar happened with the Hawkes or the Mac Tirs. Or heck, maybe Loghain adopted a stray.

 

*Don't get dogs from pet stores, those dogs come from puppy mills and backyard breeders where the dogs are kept in awful conditions.



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What Captain Wiseass said.