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[adam_nox]

So freakin cliche, and contradicts texts of 'sexuality in thedas'.  Makes no sense.  Sigh, pushing agendas again instead of telling a creative story. 

[Barathos]

*Shoves the gay agenda down his throat*

 

Ok guys, we can move on. He's been Re-educated.

[LOLandStuff]

Completely missing the point of his quest.

[AtreiyaN7]

Troll harder, why don't you...and it doesn't contradict anything. It's exactly the kind of thing a Tevinter mage father might do if his precious genetic stock shows signs of deviation and unacceptable behavior to the degree that it interferes with the family breeding program. *rolleyes*

[TEWR]

What I find most interesting is that, despite the lack of open discussion on matters of human sexuality, there is commonality to be found on the subject in all Andrastian lands. Typically, ones sexual habits are considered natural and separate from matters of procreation, and only among the nobility, where procreation involves issues of inheritance and the union of powerful families, is it considered of vital importance. Yet, even there, a noble who has done their duty to the family might be allowed to pursue their own sexual interests without raising eyebrows. The view on indulging lusts with a member of the same gender varies from land to land. In Orlais, it is considered a quirk of character and nothing more. In Ferelden, it is a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but otherwise nothing noteworthy. In Tevinter, it is considered selfish and deviant behavior among nobles, but actively encouraged with favored slaves. Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgement when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye.

-From In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar by Brother Genitivi

 

 

Not seeing a contradiction. It's not forbidden, it's just scandalous. Hell, it makes perfect sense for a country that kept genealogies of every family and prides itself on its magic to want to breed the perfect child with everything that makes the Imperium's elite.

 

In that regard, they're more like the Qunari then they'll admit.

 

And as Genitivi points out, the Tevinter Imperium is hypocritical about it. Do it with a noble, you're awful. Do it with a slave, no big deal. They're slaves, so what does it matter?

 

I liked the quest, because it talks of what people in our world who are gay experience. Their relatives will try to "fix" them. Blood magic was a good way to explore that mentality.

[katerinafm]

It doesn't contradict it because as Dorian says in game, most Tevinter families are obsessed with continuing their magic line. Dorian came from careful breeding, and if he continued being gay he'd obviously not have children, thus ruining the whole purpose of their family and stopping their magic line.

[CrimsonArgie]

It doesn't contradict anything. It might be a bit cliche, I can give you that, but I liked it. I thought it was the perfect way of getting to know a personal/intimate aspect of Dorian's life.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Cliche would imply that a story or event has lost its impact. In this case, that is not so. Learn the goddamn terminology...

[Dave of Canada]

To be honest, I was disappointed with the disapproving dad who wanted to reeducate his son. It's what I expected when I heard Dorian had issues with his family but hoped that Gaider had subverted my expectation and their disapproval was on something else like maybe sacrificing slaves or whatever, rather than the obvious.

[Br3admax]

The only problem I had with this quest was that the awkwardness was tangible.   

[InstantNoodlez]

I don't see what is wrong with his quest.

 

Friend from Japan ran into almost exactly the same issue. Her father was just as upset, and she upset with him, when the boyfriend she picked had lower social status than her and not Japanese.

 

Eventually she bowed to expectations and went with someone her father and uncle hand-picked. Better for the family money and breeding. Don't want my stock mixing with poor people from other Asian countries etc. Now she is back in Japan, married with child and miserable. Her husband is handsome, has a respectable job, came from family with money, but they have completely different views on life, and can't connect at all.

 

 

It is not so much that Dorian is gay, but that he refused to ruin his own life and the life of the girl his father's picked. I think most gamers see the gay aspect more, because they live in cultures that don't have to deal with arranged marriages and such heavy parental "guidance", and so do not see that as just important an issue. I bet if Dorian married and popped out kids with his wife, his father wouldn't be upset at all about his gay dalliances, and would focus on educating and controlling the grandchildren instead. 

[Battlebloodmage]

This thread asides, I'm kinda disappointed that the first gay companion's storyline is about cliche parents' disapproval of the gay child. It's everywhere. I would have preferred for the storyline to not tie to his sexuality. That prevented me from romancing him and instead go for Cass. First time I did my first playthrough as a straight character in Bioware. 

[daveliam]

The only problem I had with this quest was that the awkwardness was tangible.   

 

Welcome to our reality, Br3ad.  Sh*t gets awkward all the time.  You get used to it after the umpteenth awkward sexuality talk. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

This thread asides, I'm kinda disappointed that the first gay companion's storyline is about cliche parents' disapproval of the gay child. It's everywhere. I would have preferred for the storyline to not tie to his sexuality. That prevented me from romancing him and instead go for Cass. First time I did my first playthrough as a straight character in Bioware. 

Okay, since apparently the word cliche is becomming a cliche.... What EXACTLY is "cliche" about the disapproving parent plot?

[Chrys]

This thread asides, I'm kinda disappointed that the first gay companion's storyline is about cliche parents' disapproval of the gay child. It's everywhere. I would have preferred for the storyline to not tie to his sexuality. That prevented me from romancing him and instead go for Cass. First time I did my first playthrough as a straight character in Bioware. 

 

It's everywhere else. Bioware's previous non-straight male characters barely even acknowledged fancying men at all unless you romanced them.

 

And I liked how they tied it into the Tevinter arranged marriage, breeding and blood magic issues.

[Battlebloodmage]

Okay, since apparently the word cliche is becomming a cliche.... What EXACTLY is "cliche" about the disapproving parent plot?

Saw it many times on TV. Would have prefer something unique and separate from his sexuality. 

[Slappy Ya Face]

Meh. It was alright. 

[Br3admax]

Welcome to our reality, Br3ad.  Sh*t gets awkward all the time.  You get used to it after the umpteenth awkward sexuality talk. 

So I imagine. 

Spoiler

"Pray Blood magic the gay away."

 

 

[InstantNoodlez]

Okay, since apparently the word cliche is becomming a cliche.... What EXACTLY is "cliche" about the disapproving parent plot?

I think many players would be happier if the not having children is not the only thing Dorian and his dad are fighting about.

 

I mean there could be so much more to fight about! Like the conflict between a child who wishes to see change in his country, and the jaded parent who want to take care of family interests and self-preservation instead. What Dorian wants to do with Tevinter and the status-quo could very well get his whole family disgraced and killed. Quite bit more urgent as an issue than not having kids.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Saw it many times on TV. Would have prefer something unique and separate from his sexuality. 

You mean like every other queer character Bioware has ever done? Heaven forbid they do something different. Treating sexuality nonchalantly for every single queer character is not progressive.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Saw it many times on TV. Would have prefer something unique and separate from his sexuality. 

That a plot is overdone or "tired" does NOT make it cliche..... Cliche means that it as a plot device, has compeltely lost its impact. That people no longer conenct, or even care, about the plotpoint. That is NOT the case with the "disapproving parent" plot device, sicne it is still a very much relatable thing.

[Battlebloodmage]

It's everywhere else. Bioware's previous non-straight male characters barely even acknowledged fancying men at all unless you romanced them.

 

And I liked how they tied it into the Tevinter arranged marriage, breeding and blood magic issues.

Because Bioware doesn't have gay characters (not talking about random NPCs) until ME3. Bioware's logic stated that all bi characters will prefer the opposite sex evident with Zevran, Kaidan, Sky. Anders doesn't even talk about his boyfriend in DA2 if you're a girl and in Awakening, he only talks about girls. When they actually do have gay characters, it's revolved around being gay like with Cortez and him getting over his gay husband and Dorian whose storyline revolve around his family rejected him for being gay. I want a gay character, not bi, who just happens to be gay, kinda like Sera.

[Chrys]

Because Bioware doesn't have gay characters (not talking about random NPCs) until ME3. Bioware's logic stated that all bi characters will prefer the opposite sex evident with Zevran, Kaidan, Sky. Anders doesn't even talk about his boyfriend in DA2 if you're a girl and in Awakening, he only talks about girls. When they actually do have gay characters, it's revolved around being gay like with Cortez and him getting over his gay husband and Dorian whose storyline revolve around his family rejected him for being gay. I want a gay character who just happens to be gay, kinda like Sera.

 

Well, I complain about how they wrote their bi characters, not that the one gay guy LI finally broke that trend. I'm sure the next one won't repeat that kind of story.

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, I complain about how they wrote their bi characters, not that the one gay guy LI finally broke that trend. I'm sure the next one won't repeat that kind of story.

Would be nice if a bi character who actually prefer guys the next time. Iron Bull's conversation is always about him hooking up with females, except for Dorian. 

[Barathos]

Personally, I really enjoyed his quest. It was emotional. It had impact. So what if it's been done a thousand times over? So has "Good must always win" which has happened in Every. Single. Bioware. Game.

 

It's hard to create unique storylines, and unique isn't always good. But taking old storylines, like Dorian's sexuality, and adapting to his character with his background and the world's laws made, in my opinion, a great way to tell it.

 

And if somebody says "Yeah! But must they shove his gayness in my face?!" Sera never shoves it in your face. I think she mentions it to a companion and she won't even tell you unless you flirt with her.