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[Akrabra]

If you are refering to the scene in the tavern it was heartbreaking. When he says "You tried to change me" I had to let out some tears. For a scene like that to appear in a game? do you know how valueable that is?. Atleast to me it was important. Thanks to Bioware for creating Dorian!

[Ailith Tycane]

Because we're not limiting it to games. Its most commonly accepted popular media of today including television, theater, literature and video games. It would have been more interesting if his father disapproved of his mustache, I like Dorian. Usually always have him in the group, but the quest was crap and the scene though well done felt like walking outside Thedas through the fade into the Hallmark made for Television channel world. 

 

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're straight, because for gay people any kind of representation in media is a drop of water in a vast desert, where as heterosexuality is considered just the "default setting" for everything...Which is why it's always especially funny when straight people complain any gay inclusiveness is "shoving it down their throats", because in the grand scheme of things, compared to heteroseuxality or hetero-centric media, it's almost non existent. 

 

 

I guess if you haven't watched many gay movies then it's no big deal-

 

HAHAHA, Oh sweet child, you know not to whom you speak.

[chomesoon74]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody excepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

[InstantNoodlez]

You keep saying that. I fail to see what is wrong with making the straight audience comfortable. It's certainly not done so at the expense of adding gay and bisexual characters, so not seeing the problem. They've done enough pandering to the minority who actually think romancing and this contrived crap is the point of the game. I spent all of 15 minutes with the intent to romance someone, I did, and there surprisingly is still 100+ hours of the game left that in no way involves anyone's sexuality.

 

Thank ****** christ.

So making straight audience comfortable is not pandering? I thought you don't care for excessive pandering? I guess it is only pandering when the benefits apply to other people.

 

Exact same reason why we vote morons into offices then. Every decision based on personal gain and everyone else be damned. A curse that afflicts every demographic. What a wonderful place we were born into!

[Chrys]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody excepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

 

That's what you got out of it? Wow... Just wow.

[Battlebloodmage]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody excepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

First of all, you can say that about any character, they all have their agenda. Second of all, you are the one that bring him to where his father is. He doesn't even want to go there. While I don't think the gay storyline is a good fit for Dorian, it seems like you have a problem with him being gay than anything. 

[InstantNoodlez]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody excepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

When the change is about blood magic and possible lobotomization, yeah there is a problem. And it has nothing on lifestyle.

 

I mean if the father of everyone on these forums sent us to boot camps to cure us of our video game affliction, and gave camp instructors the free for all on tasing us into behaving, we'd be screaming much louder than Dorian.

[Leo]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody accepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

 

Really? I could've sworn he joined the Inquisition to help save the world, as well as try to give the Imperium a good reputation.

[Chrys]

Really? I could've sworn he joined the Inquisition to help save the world, as well as try to give the Imperium a good reputation.

 

Yes. Funny that in that very quest he tells his father their fight and the blood magic plot didn't lead him to the Inquisition, that he joined because it was the right thing to do 

[Chernaya]

"all he cares about is that everybody accepts his lifestyle"

 

... odd, the only people I got the impression of him caring about on that issue was his his family. Which true, that's just weird. Who wants their family to accept the way they live their life? Can someone tell me about all the other scenes where he shows how much he cares what everyone else thinks?

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

So making straight audience comfortable is not pandering?

 

No, making people comfortable is not pandering.

 

http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/pander

 

Glad I could clear that up. As for the rest of your post, it's irrelevant as your whole rant is built off of a faulty premise.

[Battlebloodmage]

No, making people comfortable is not pandering.

 

http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/pander

 

Glad I could clear that up. As for the rest of your post, it's irrelevant as your whole rant is built off of a faulty premise.

Treating everyone as equal is not pandering. 

[InstantNoodlez]

No, making people comfortable is not pandering.

 

http://www.thefreedi...nary.com/pander

 

Glad I could clear that up. As for the rest of your post, it's irrelevant as your whole rant is built off of a faulty premise.

So how is making <insert minority or female here> comfortable pandering then?

 

I hope it is a faulty premise, but I see the evidence of it each time I log in to these forums. Also good job ignoring everything that doesn't work out in your argument. 

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

Treating everyone as equal is not pandering. 

 

Game mechanics are not people.

[steamcamel]

Playing videogames that has homosexual men in them can make you explode, experts warn. And now sports.

[Battlebloodmage]

Game mechanics are not people.

People who experience the game are people. It's not about pandering but creating a game most people can enjoy.

[Hazegurl]

I agree with the OP. It was predictable and I busted out lauphing when he went "you tried to change me! WAHHH!"

 

It was such a LOL moment in gaming. Here you have a man who witnessed the end of the world in the future with the Inquisitor and all he cares about is that everybody excepts his lifestyle. It was moronic, childish, and showed the complete lack of depth of Dorian.

 

Nothing can be above his "lifestyle."

Did you even play the game? Or better yet. Did you even bother listening to anything Dorian says?

 

He had ONE freaking scene about his sexuality. Now it's all he cares about?? I guess you didn't bother to talk to him about Tevinter, the Venatori, Magisters, Tevinter history and propaganda...

 

Seems like all you care about his his "lifestyle"

[InstantNoodlez]

Game mechanics are not people.

What does game mechanics have to do with all this?

 

I swear, when I am actually playing on multiplayer or another MMO, most of the folks are actually somewhat pleasant and reasonable. Then I go to forums hoping to discuss games further, and get unpleasantly surprised each time. How do some of the gents and ladies here get through real life with logic like that? Ah but that eternal hope.

 

 

Now let us all pray to Andraste and the Maker that many forum goers are just trolling. It is sure better than the alternative.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

So how is making <insert minority or female here> comfortable pandering then?

 

I hope it is a faulty premise, but I see the evidence of it each time I log in to these forums. Also good job ignoring everything that doesn't work out in your argument. 

 

I ignored everything you said because it was illogical, I can go back and point out how it was, but that would be redundant because I already did. And you continue the trend...

 

A preference of minority or sex was never inferred or otherwise implied. I said the romance aspect of the game is a small part, and the game does enough to accommodate those who like it.

 

You're intentionally misquoting someone to create your own argument, while insisting other people are the problem.

 

Sounds like a personal issue.

[InstantNoodlez]

I ignored everything you said because it was illogical, I can go back and point out how it was, but that would be redundant because I already did. And you continue the trend...

 

A preference of minority or sex was never inferred or otherwise implied. I said the romance aspect of the game is a small part, and the game does enough to accommodate those who like it.

 

You're intentionally misquoting someone to create your own argument, while insisting other people are the problem.

 

Sounds like a personal issue.

It would not be redundant, since you didn't explain or prove why they were illogical. You are also the one who prefers partial misquotes out of all the commenters on this page alone.

 

Did you say romance was a small part? I swear you were most concerned about how the game panders.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

What does game mechanics have to do with all this?

 

I swear, when I am actually playing on multiplayer or another MMO, most of the folks are actually somewhat pleasant and reasonable. Then I go to forums hoping to discuss games further, and get unpleasantly surprised each time. How do some of the gents and ladies here get through real life with logic like that? Ah but that eternal hope.

 

 

Now let us all pray to Andraste and the Maker that many forum goers are just trolling. It is sure better than the alternative.

 

Game mechanics has everything to do with it, since that was the content of the original statement (romance option in DA games.) You're just going on some hyperbolic rant about video game communities because you read something you don't like.

 

And that exactly is what is wrong with video game communities.

You're honestly trying to talk about someone else's logic? LOL

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

It would not be redundant, since you didn't explain or prove why they were illogical. You are also the one who prefers partial misquotes out of all the commenters on this page alone.

 

Did you say romance was a small part? I swear you were most concerned about how the game panders.

 

It would, you started talking about politicians and some other nonsense. Your posts are a disaster and not really worth someones bandwidth to load them a second time.

 

Who exactly did I say BW was pandering to again? Do you remember? Or is that all too hard for you?

 

Partial misquotes? You asked a question, it was answered. Not my fault that you asked a stupid question.

[LightningPoodle]

Thing is, BioWare always say that people have written to them saying, "your game helped me come out" or whatever. This particular scene could really help someone who is in a similar situation. It happens all of the time in the real world; families try to cover it up, shove it under the rug, fail to acknowledge it. That can really affect someone growing up. I can see this scene helping someone, therefore, BioWare have done a good job.

[InstantNoodlez]

Game mechanics has everything to do with it, since that was the content of the original statement (romance option in DA games.) You're just going on some hyperbolic rant about video game communities because you read something you don't like.

 

And that exactly is what is wrong with video game communities.

You're honestly trying to talk about someone else's logic? LOL

 

So let us slow down, back up, and go through what we really are trying to say here.

 

First you present the thought that the company was pandering to certain audiences with its characters.

Then you say audiences should be made comfortable, but making audiences comfortable is not pandering.

Then you say game mechanics are not people, when I thought we were talking about characterization and people's reaction to it, which is more about story writing and user response than game mechanics.

So now you are saying??

 

So what is your core argument again?

[InstantNoodlez]

It would, you started talking about politicians and some other nonsense. Your posts are a disaster and not really worth someones bandwidth to load them a second time.

 

Who exactly did I say BW was pandering to again? Do you remember? Or is that all too hard for you?

 

Partial misquotes? You asked a question, it was answered. Not my fault that you asked a stupid question.

So it was a different user who said "They've done enough pandering to the minority who actually think romancing and this contrived crap is the point of the game"?

 

Minority though they are, they are still customers to the game and company, and for them, they pay to play the dating simulator or watch the story. Bioware has improved environments, fiddled with combat and missions, updated graphics, added more music, so why not also care about the audiences to their story and romance?

 

Just because it is an aspect of the game you don't care to play, doesn't mean Bioware treating their other customers with some consideration is pandering.