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[Daydream]

Alright, let me dive straight into it.

 

When I first saw that their was romance I stopped myself from Googling spoilers, and I kinda regret that. While the characters appear more human I cannot help to feel that it limits the whole roleplaying experience. In any game that allows it, my first playthrough is always a gay human male -- so I'll start on this for now! The first person I saw that I could flirt with was Cullen, and by the Gods he was perfect for my Inquistitor! So I got to work, I began talking to him every time I saw him, selected each flirty option I could and tried to in his direction for his approval of me. It was actually going insanely well, first option to flirt down and he gave me that corny smile people noted, and I thought I was onto something, second option he let me flirt with him again and that was great, but.. the third time he shot me down, and it hit me like a truck. Cullen just friendzoned me.

 

While I adore the fact that the NPC's have unique tastes, this cuts from the roleplay standard. I'm not making this so Cullen will be made bisexual just for my pleasure, or whatever I aim to get out of him. It's the fact I feel like every character should be coded bisexual, but with preferences. Okay, maybe Cullen is straight, but if you woo him enough he'll swap over to the same team. Because from what I can muster, this game is based on choices, I learnt that the wrong way when I snapped at Cassandra over something so little because the choice-wheel lies, it lies at every turn, for an option that seems like it will come out as happy my character ends up chewing someones head off, but back to romance.

 

Alright, so now all characters are bisexual, what now? Well the most formiddle part is making it work, I shouldn't be able to just walk up to someone and have relations with them. I'll use Cullen as an example, because almost everyone on here knows him, let's say our Cullen is now bisexual, however he doesn't know it. Simple, in order for a male to get Cullen, you'll have to put in some mad extra work for him, the amazing thing about this is each character can be coded to be easy or hard to obtain.

 

And while we're on it the whole buddy system should be improved, as you know this is a game where reading and listening prevails, so let's say if you try to flirt with someone who is straight before you're highly close to them it'll kick your rating right down, maybe flirting options could even fail and you're blocked from talking to that person for a few hours (I haven't noticed a day/night cycle) 3 hours real time, it'd make sense and add a sense of realism into the mix, I really think you guys could do amazing work with a system with this, maybe even add in potential lovers, as 6 is actually rather low for a game this size.

 

I'm not sure if you guys will get your pitchforks and hunt me down for suggesting anything like this, or if you'll support it. However, I'll be watching and replying as needed, also I apologize for the mistakes in spelling, autocorrect fails on this site and I'm too lazy to proof read.

[Manki]

10. Foot. Pole.

[Althix]

bisexual with preferences? sorry what?

[Corto81]

While I agree any sexual orientation should have good options, I prefer my NPCs to be characters "for themselves", and not for me.

If that means I can't romance Sera as a hetero male, so be it.

 

Point is, I want the game and the characters to feel real... The world and characters revolving solely around  me sort of ruins my immersion.

[Gill Kaiser]

So you are actually advocating playersexuality?

[Battlebloodmage]

Not gonna lie, give me the ability to romance Cullen as a guy and then you can have whatever sexuality you want with the other characters. I'm not a fan of any of the gay option, ended up turned straight for Cassandra.

[Chiramu]

This idea will completely ruin every established personality for each of the characters. 

[Daydream]

bisexual with preferences? sorry what?

Most (if not all) bisexual people have a preference, some bisexual people rather men over women, etc.

 

While I agree any sexual orientation should have good options, I prefer my NPCs to be characters "for themselves", and not for me.

If that means I can't romance Sera as a hetero male, so be it.

 

Point is, I want the game and the characters to feel real... The world and characters revolving solely around  me sort of ruins my immersion.

I didn't ask for them to be all bisexual, well in a sense I did however I meant it as they're all obtaining, some harder than others. You know rather than just spamming every flirt option you see and having the game hold your hand during the entire process. If you really wanted immersion you'd hate this system because of how farfetched it is.

 

If you want them to feel real then why aren't you supporting my idea? Or did you just read the first paragraph and not the point I made about them being harder to obtain, the thread wasn't just about them all being bisexual. I study showed 1 in 3 people are bisexual, or have bisexual tendacies. So really it's not that unrealistic.

 

Not gonna lie, give me the ability to romance Cullen as a guy and then you can have whatever sexuality you want with the other characters. I'm not a fan of any of the gay option, ended up turned straight for Cassandra.

I also didn't like any of the gay or bisexual male characters, I cannot say the lesbian character is better.

 

This idea will completely ruin every established personality for each of the characters. 

Lmao, you're the second person who I know scimmed the thread, saw bisexual and started to post. Please head up and re-read, Thanks.

[Corto81]

 

If you want them to feel real then why aren't you supporting my idea? Or did you just read the first paragraph and not the point I made about them being harder to obtain, the thread wasn't just about them all being bisexual. I study showed 1 in 3 people are bisexual, or have bisexual tendacies. So really it's not that unrealistic.

 

 

I'm in favor of people having enough options to have a proper romance whatever they chose in an RPG.

I don't get the point about options being "harder to obtain"... Does that mean you somehow alter their sexuality?

 

You said that every character should be coded bisexual and then you're asking why I'm not supporting your idea because I want it to feel real?

 

Well, because not all people are bisexual or have bisexual tendencies. It's just how life is.

I don't want to be able to change a lesbian character into a straight one just because it suits me - I want her to have her own personality and sexual preferency.

 

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Also, for what it's worth, Cullen just felt like blatant fan service and the character himself was an empty (nice looking) shell.

[SpiritMuse]

I think it would have some very unfortunate implications if you started being able to "switch someone to the other team" with enough work.

[ShatterStar]

bisexual with preferences? sorry what?

Yeah, I'm not really fond of this idea, but he is correct in saying that there are preferences. The majority of my relationships have been with men, and I'll check out all the guys in a room before I even blink. Girls rarely catch my attention, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in my girlfriend. You might want to check out the Kinsey Scale. It's outdated and a bit inaccurate, but simple to understand.

[Althix]

*sigh*

oh Jesus H. Christ...

 

thing is that topic start want DA2 all over again.

 

Can i have just one straight male character? so i can turn my back to this character in the shower without any fear?

[Daydream]

*sigh*

oh Jesus H. Christ...

 

thing is that topic start want DA2 all over again.

 

Can i have just one straight male character? so i can turn my back to this character in the shower without any fear?

Not all gay men want to be in your pants, that's very one-sided thinking.

I cannot really even see myself wanting to be near you at all, so that blows your homophobic comment out of the water.

[Efrim]

Why do you think it would be a better system for every NPC to be romancable if you "flirt hard enough" ? That isn't how real life works. It would feel kind of jarring and weird. Cullen shooting you down (and Sera shooting you down) are both played beautifully in game. I experienced them both and they are remarkably well written and acted. I have experienced both the giving and receiving of that kind of awkward stance in real life and it can be hard to tell someone you just aren't into them that way. I think the romance in this game feels far more realistic than in any of their previous titles. Sans the ever awkward animations/over loud sfx in cut scenes of course.

I can offer one helpful tip for you though - try turning off the emotion icons in the options. It will make it less obvious which option is the romancing one. (You mentioned hand holding) I romanced Cassandra in this fashion and it ended up feeling far more organic when I couldn't see a heart every time I responded to her.

[SongstressKitsune]

While I totally sympathize with the desire to gay-romance Cullen, I can't support this suggestion. Being able to make people "swap teams" makes me so uncomfortable. Like, let's look at Dorian -- if you could "fix" him being gay, i.e. have him fall for a female Inquisitor, that literally destroys a major part of the conflict between him and his family. And uhm, if you want Cullen to swap teams, it has to happen for Dorian too, and Sera, and that's gross and carries all the nasty implications of homosexuality being a curable choice.

 

Sure, bisexuals have preferences; I'm bisexual, attracted to all genders but I tend to prefer women and nonbinary people. But there's a difference betwene "bisexual with preferences" and "gay except not really" and it'd end up reading as the latter.

[Ceoldoren]

You can't just change someones sexuality 'with enough hard work'. It doesn't work that way. You're either bisexual or you're not.

[_Aine_]

I like the way Bioware has done their characters, personally, even if sometimes I wish a certain character had other preferences.  This way, they are more "real" in that they are who they are, all the bribery and come-ons from other characters can't and won't change who they are.  Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi.  Just like the real world.  We act as our characters, we are NOT our characters...if anyone wants to romance a certain character that badly, they can simply create a character who they *would* like.  If a person simply wants to pretend that a certain character likes the real player behind the character...well....that's another issue entirely.  

 

I wanted to experience the Cass romance because she is an amazing character, so I created the perfect man for her.     I'm even enjoying him!  Sometimes, if you like a story, and truly like a character, you just let them be who they are.  Also, kind of like it should be in real life.    

 

That said, I would like certain characters to be harder to obtain, within their own preferences, as long as it fit their story arc.   Or even some were easier to have a physical relationship with but harder to get to commit, etc.  Again, just like the real world!  =)   I'm probably the ONLY person I know of that has been sort of underwhelmed by the (albeit very sweet) Cullen romance.  My playthrough has been sadly bugged so I am giving it a pass, but I feel there have been better written romances in the series.   *shrug*    

 

Efrim:  I had no idea you could turn off emotions icons!!!!  I have to search out this option, I will do that with next play through if I can figure it out.   Thanks for the heads up on that !   Wish I had known that for my first playthrough.  

[daveliam]

While I adore the fact that the NPC's have unique tastes, this cuts from the roleplay standard. I'm not making this so Cullen will be made bisexual just for my pleasure, or whatever I aim to get out of him. It's the fact I feel like every character should be coded bisexual, but with preferences. Okay, maybe Cullen is straight, but if you woo him enough he'll swap over to the same team. Because from what I can muster, this game is based on choices, I learnt that the wrong way when I snapped at Cassandra over something so little because the choice-wheel lies, it lies at every turn, for an option that seems like it will come out as happy my character ends up chewing someones head off, but back to romance.

 

Yikes.  Boy am I glad that they didn't go this route.  I'd either want them all to be unapologetically bisexual or go the route that they did in this game.  I know it's a game, but I think there are some real issues with presenting the fact that a person's sexuality can 'change' because you just pursue them enough.  I would also have liked Cullen to be available to gay male PCs.  But, like many other handsome and charming straight guys before him, he's just not interested in anything more than friendship because he likes the ladies.  Que sera.  Especially when we still have two other great options. 

[InfinitePaths]

LOL, the player shouldn't have choice over other character's sexuallities.

 

What gender NPCs are interested in is not your decision to make.

[InfinitePaths]

*sigh*

oh Jesus H. Christ...

 

thing is that topic start want DA2 all over again.

 

Can i have just one straight male character? so i can turn my back to this character in the shower without any fear?

 

I don't know if you were making a bad heteronormative joke or do you actually think that gay men would rape you while you're showering.

[Renmiri1]

What does "medicore" mean ? A doctor's romance ?

[Renmiri1]

Solas romance is fantastic, best in game romance I had. and sad tragic.

 

Cullen's romance is also awesome. And sweet as honey.

 

Are you playing a straight male ? Try Cass. she is awesome.

[Greetsme]

One thing I use to adore about Bioware games was the romance they offered, but who in their right mind would want to romance a Inquisition cardboard cutout?

[Renmiri1]

Yikes.  Boy am I glad that they didn't go this route.  I'd either want them all to be unapologetically bisexual or go the route that they did in this game.  I know it's a game, but I think there are some real issues with presenting the fact that a person's sexuality can 'change' because you just pursue them enough.  I would also have liked Cullen to be available to gay male PCs.  But, like many other handsome and charming straight guys before him, he's just not interested in anything more than friendship because he likes the ladies.  Que sera.  Especially when we still have two other great options. 

Heh, my straight cis  Lavellan elf female has a crush on Dorian but alas he loves her just not in that way.

 

Which is okay for her, she has Solas, Cullen, Blackwall and Iron Bull to chose from

 

I think cis males got shortchanged a bit in DAI but after being on that position on Mass Effect 3 with my cis female only having Garrus, I'm not shedding tears for the cis male fans. They certainly had no sympathy for me when they were the ones being pampered by LI choices

[BlueElf2]

Alright, let me dive straight into it.

 

When I first saw that their was romance I stopped myself from Googling spoilers, and I kinda regret that. While the characters appear more human I cannot help to feel that it limits the whole roleplaying experience. In any game that allows it, my first playthrough is always a gay human male -- so I'll start on this for now! The first person I saw that I could flirt with was Cullen, and by the Gods he was perfect for my Inquistitor! So I got to work, I began talking to him every time I saw him, selected each flirty option I could and tried to in his direction for his approval of me. It was actually going insanely well, first option to flirt down and he gave me that corny smile people noted, and I thought I was onto something, second option he let me flirt with him again and that was great, but.. the third time he shot me down, and it hit me like a truck. Cullen just friendzoned me.

 

While I adore the fact that the NPC's have unique tastes, this cuts from the roleplay standard. I'm not making this so Cullen will be made bisexual just for my pleasure, or whatever I aim to get out of him. It's the fact I feel like every character should be coded bisexual, but with preferences. Okay, maybe Cullen is straight, but if you woo him enough he'll swap over to the same team. Because from what I can muster, this game is based on choices, I learnt that the wrong way when I snapped at Cassandra over something so little because the choice-wheel lies, it lies at every turn, for an option that seems like it will come out as happy my character ends up chewing someones head off, but back to romance.

 

Alright, so now all characters are bisexual, what now? Well the most formiddle part is making it work, I shouldn't be able to just walk up to someone and have relations with them. I'll use Cullen as an example, because almost everyone on here knows him, let's say our Cullen is now bisexual, however he doesn't know it. Simple, in order for a male to get Cullen, you'll have to put in some mad extra work for him, the amazing thing about this is each character can be coded to be easy or hard to obtain.

 

And while we're on it the whole buddy system should be improved, as you know this is a game where reading and listening prevails, so let's say if you try to flirt with someone who is straight before you're highly close to them it'll kick your rating right down, maybe flirting options could even fail and you're blocked from talking to that person for a few hours (I haven't noticed a day/night cycle) 3 hours real time, it'd make sense and add a sense of realism into the mix, I really think you guys could do amazing work with a system with this, maybe even add in potential lovers, as 6 is actually rather low for a game this size.

 

I'm not sure if you guys will get your pitchforks and hunt me down for suggesting anything like this, or if you'll support it. However, I'll be watching and replying as needed, also I apologize for the mistakes in spelling, autocorrect fails on this site and I'm too lazy to proof read.

I can honestly understand where you're coming from with wanting romance options available to everyone (Why, Dorian?! My lady elf wants to romance you so bad! LOL). However, I also like the fact that Bioware decided to give everyone actual concrete sexualities. It does make them seem a bit more real and like they're not just there for the character to try and woo. I mean, you can still try. It's just that it doesn't go anywhere. I don't actually see a problem with this; some of their rejections can be pretty amusing.

 

Additionally, they already did what you are suggesting in Dragon Age 2 and wound up getting a lot of backlash for it, which is probably why they didn't go that route this time. People were unhappy that the characters just seemed to go along with whatever Hawke wanted regardless of gender. I didn't mind it honestly; my female Hawkes romanced both Fenris and Anders, and the fact that male characters also had the option didn't detract from my enjoyment, but I can see where those people were coming from as well. If all the characters are designed to just conform to whatever preference the player character has all the time, then it can limit some of the scope of the story telling related to that character. For example, if Dorian was available to both genders, one of his personal quests wouldn't even be possible, at least if you were playing and romancing him as a female. Regardless of how much I wish he was available to my female character, I don't want more romance options at the exclusion of character development.

 

TL;DR: Dragon Age 2 has what you're talking about. People complained about it; Bioware changed it. Whether it's better or worse (I think better) now is up to personal opinion, but it is what it is. Whatever Bioware does with a game, someone is going to be disappointed about some aspect of it. However, I doubt they're going to go back to the model they used in Dragon Age 2, so you might be out of luck in that department.