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[JimBlandings]

Here I was thinking this would be a valid post about how poorly written and played the romances are.  But no, it's just some gay guy complaining he can't beep a straight guy.

 

Sigh.

[ButchHardPec]

 "Dragon Age: Inquisition will have straight, bisexual, and gay character romances because they each tell different stories, BioWare has said.

Lead writer for the Dragon Age series David Gaider made the comments during BioWare’s GaymerX2 panel last week titled Building a Better Romance. He explained that since there were only four character romances in Dragon Age II, they were all bisexual because the team wanted to make sure every player had some type of choice.

“In Inquisition we got the go ahead to include a lot more total romances, so the decision was made that we don’t need to compromise,” Gaider said. “So we are going to have straight romances, alongside bisexual romances, alongside gay romances. I thought that was pretty important because those are different stories to tell.”

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dragon-age-inquisition-has-straight-bisexual-and-g/1100-6421222/

[Panda]

I think the thing you want is playersexuality. Where character wouldn't have set sexuality but rather their sexuality would be based on PC.

[Lord Surinen]

No, I do not support this. I'm already limited to one female romance because the other one is non straight and my preferences are clear: straight-straight only. In fact I think that non straight romances should be drastically reduced in favour of the straight ones.

[Efvie]

LOL, the player shouldn't have choice over other character's sexuallities.

 

What gender NPCs are interested in is not your decision to make.

 

But somehow they’re all interested in your character if you happen to be the right gender. So that is your decision to make, but arbitrarily this isn’t?

 

Not exactly like real life there. Argument fail. Next?

 

Oh, the “ruins personality”? Please explain how. It’s inconsequential, with the exception of

Spoiler

Dorian

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The DA2 backlash wasn’t because the characters were “ruined” by being romanceable by either gender, either. It was because dudebros didn’t want to be flirted at by men.
 

[FKA_Servo]

But somehow they’re all interested in your character if you happen to be the right gender.

So not exactly like real life there. Argument fail.

 

Next?

 

Oh, the “ruins personality”? Please explain how. With the exception of Dorian, it’s inconsequential.

The DA2 backlash wasn’t because the characters were “ruined” by being romanceable by either gender, either. It was because dudebros didn’t want to be flirted at by men.
 

 

In a nutshell.

[ButchHardPec]

No, I do not support this. I'm already limited to one female romance because the other one is non straight and my preferences are clear: straight-straight only. In fact I think that non straight romances should be drastically reduced in favour of the straight ones.

"empathy is the biggest sin of all"

"straight-straight only"

 

Private Bioware profile.

 

[Efvie]

That said, the notion of “persuadable sexuality” is unnecessary. It might be slightly offensive except that I think the OP was just trying to soft-pedal the idea.

 

A bisexual is a person interested in both (or all) genders at the same time.

 

Every playthrough is a different universe. In one universe, Cullen can be straight, and in another gay. In addition, there can be bisexual characters.

[FKA_Servo]

"empathy is the biggest sin of all"

"straight-straight only"

 

Private Bioware profile.

 

 

Dude's elf supremacy thread is worth a read. It's adorable, in it's own way.

[daveliam]

Every playthrough is a different universe. In one universe, Cullen can be straight, and in another gay. In addition, there can be bisexual characters.

 

The downside to this is that people can choose to "play the gay away" in their games.  That really is unfortunate.  It means that people will be able to just soft-toggle away gay content.  I had no problem with the DA2 approach, once they confirmed that they were all bisexual.  The idea of a gay Anders in one 'universe' and a straight Anders in another just supports the notion that sexuality can be changed and that it's okay to just remove it from your game if you don't like it. 

I was a fan of the DA2 approach, back when I was concerned that the move back to the current approach would result in gay and lesbian players getting only one option.  Once they maintained that they are committed to giving gay and lesbian players 2 options each, then I would much prefer the current model where some people just aren't available because of their sexuality.  I'm happy with my two options this game.  But my second and third favorite male characters are both straight, so it just means that I either romance them with a female character or I don't get that content.  It's fine with me.  And I like that this approach allows them to tell the stories of straight, gay, and lesbian characters as well and that all players get to experience that content.

[daveliam]

Dude's elf supremacy thread is worth a read. It's adorable, in it's own way.

 

In a "bless his heart" kind of way.....

[Althix]

I don't know if you were making a bad heteronormative joke or do you actually think that gay men would rape you while you're showering.

i am sorry. but from the op i can only make one conclusion.

 

topic starter is sad because he can't go intimate with a character of normal sexual orientation.

that was his initial goal was it not?

[daveliam]

i am sorry. but from the op i can only make one conclusion.

 

topic starter is sad because he can't go intimate with a character of normal sexual orientation.

that was his initial goal was it not?

 

Huh?

[Ser Dinadan]

I think it's fine the way it is, more realistic that everyone isn't bisexual. I was a bit bummed that I couldn't romance Dorian on my female Inquisitor, but I figure I could romance him on a male play through some time. If you really want to romance Cullen then just play a female Inquisitor on a second play through. 

[Gundar3]

I thought the romance with Cassandra was actually pretty well written in terms of her character development, and internal struggles.  Actually the writing for her is pretty solid throughout.

[SongstressKitsune]

Dorian has actually gotten me interested in playing a gay character as a "main" character this time instead of just an experiment.  However, I'm conflicted because I want to play a female elf mage for Solas and a male human mage for Dorian, but I don't want to play a mage twice right together.  Decisions, decisions.  

The Dorian romance is really enjoyable -- I've been slowly chugging through my first playthrough since release day (silly obligations, keeping me from gaming) and he was my romance choice as an elf mage; it's been incredibly fun and he is just a truly delightful character! So uh, yeah, +1 for doing that Dorian romance (even if not as a mage.)

[Pasquale1234]

The downside to this is that people can choose to "play the gay away" in their games.  That really is unfortunate.  It means that people will be able to just soft-toggle away gay content.  I had no problem with the DA2 approach, once they confirmed that they were all bisexual.  The idea of a gay Anders in one 'universe' and a straight Anders in another just supports the notion that sexuality can be changed and that it's okay to just remove it from your game if you don't like it. 

I was a fan of the DA2 approach, back when I was concerned that the move back to the current approach would result in gay and lesbian players getting only one option.  Once they maintained that they are committed to giving gay and lesbian players 2 options each, then I would much prefer the current model where some people just aren't available because of their sexuality.  I'm happy with my two options this game.  But my second and third favorite male characters are both straight, so it just means that I either romance them with a female character or I don't get that content.  It's fine with me.  And I like that this approach allows them to tell the stories of straight, gay, and lesbian characters as well and that all players get to experience that content.

 

I think the developer commitment is that they want everyone to have a choice - which would mean a minimum of 2 options.

 

I'm not entirely convinced that there is any inherent value in differentiating "gay stories" from "bisexual stories" or "straight stories".  In a world where people aren't condemned for their orientation, I'd rather it be... not something that anyone even thinks about much.  (aside from, say, procreation / inheritance stuff often associated with noble lines)

 

Representation that can't be soft-toggled away can be implemented with same-sex couples in the world.  I'd love to see more couples like Wade-Herren, Branka-Hespith, or even a non-LI companion with a same-sex spouse.  It might have been a lot of fun to get Aveline hooked up with Brennan instead of Donnic.

 

Anyway, I really liked DA2's model, because it was optimized for player tastes and preferences.

[BlueElf2]

The Dorian romance is really enjoyable -- I've been slowly chugging through my first playthrough since release day (silly obligations, keeping me from gaming) and he was my romance choice as an elf mage; it's been incredibly fun and he is just a truly delightful character! So uh, yeah, +1 for doing that Dorian romance (even if not as a mage.)

I've actually also contemplated doing a gay male character so that I can do the Dorian romance, which is new for me as gay romances don't normally appeal to me. I just really like his character. My friend actually started as a female elf and then restarted as a male character after she recruited Dorian and realized he was only romanceable by males. LOL. She's been singing the praises of his romance ever since.

 

My current playthrough I'm playing female elf mage and going for Solas, which I've heard is sad and tragic, so maybe not the best for a first choice, but I'm kind of committed to it now. Next, I plan to do another elf (not sure if mage or not - I just really like elves. LOL) female for Cullen. If I still feel like starting a new game after that, I may go for male inquisitor for Dorian...though, I'd also be tempted to start the Cassandra romance because I really like her character, and she's currently BFFs with my lady elf inquisitor.

 

Back on topic, choice in romance is good. Making everyone bisexual just for the sake of having more options is not really the best way to give that choice, though.

[Bladenite1481]

I think there just flat out needs to be more choices. I don't personally care if someone plays the straight or gay away, its their game so let them do what they want with it. That being said, I played a straight guy and wanted a straight woman, which kind of limits the choices available to me. I do not like playing girls or men who prefer men, just not my style. Nothing against those who do, more power to anyone who wants to play a different way, like I said its your game so play it your way. 

 

I think if the romance system is going to stay, the game needs about 20 options, at least 4-5 for each preference. Otherwise just remove it, its mostly fluff anyway. 

[Dominari]

Lmao, you're the second person who I know scimmed the thread, saw bisexual and started to post. Please head up and re-read, Thanks.

TL;DR

If you want to write an essay, make your point in the first sentence of the first paragraph. Then use the rest of the essay to establish your reasons and to defend those points.

Otherwise most people will hit the keywords while skimming the WOT and go off from there.

But, having read the whole of the OP I agree with him; it would be counter to the personalities of most NPC's to be ... persuadable. The ones with Orleasian backgrounds may be a bit more laissez faire (Lillana or Josie) but Cullen? No. Too mired in tradition. He's just another breeder to me.

[BlueElf2]

I think there just flat out needs to be more choices. I don't personally care if someone plays the straight or gay away, its their game so let them do what they want with it. That being said, I played a straight guy and wanted a straight woman, which kind of limits the choices available to me. I do not like playing girls or men who prefer men, just not my style. Nothing against those who do, more power to anyone who wants to play a different way, like I said its your game so play it your way. 

 

I think if the romance system is going to stay, the game needs about 20 options, at least 4-5 for each preference. Otherwise just remove it, its mostly fluff anyway. 

I disagree. I think 2 options each (though I suppose straight females got 3 counting Iron Bull) is pretty good. That's how it's pretty much been since DA:O (Well, I guess there was also Sebastian, but...). Not liking the options is, of course, always a possibility, too. However, if they start adding tons of romances, the romance development might suffer, as well as other parts of the game. The writers can't write exclusively on romances all the time. I love the romance aspect of the game, but I'd rather it stay like it is now with 2 or 3 options for each sexuality than have it become this giant thing where everyone has like 4 or 5 options to choose from. I really think adding in that many companions would not leave much time for actual character development.

 

Edit: Just remembered that gay players only had one option each in the first game, so, for them, I'd say 2 and Inquisition are probably considered improvements. Two choices are definitely better than one. One doesn't give you any choice at all.

[Sombrerototo]

As someone commented earlier, I was "hoping" for a serious post about how ridiculous the romances are built (ok I've tried only Dorian, twice because of the bug yay I loved to restart after 50h of gameplay congrats!) but the romance feels ... odd.

 

People hated DA2 but at least I felt the 3 act building made the characters quests quite cool and the relationship felt like evolving. Here it's just about spamming flattery and it works. And the characters side quests are extremly uneven, some are interesting, some others are just boring as hell. I mean Vivienne's has an interesting background but the only really interesting part lasts for like 15 seconds and 2 options dialogue which have absolutely no impact ... sigh ...