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I desperately need help with this game? But, first and foremost, I am playing on a “PC” as a "Mage" and I am playing on the “Casual" setting. At level 13 I tried doing the “Here Lies the Abyss,” but failed three times to defeat the BOSS in the Fade. So, I deleted all of the saves, back to the last save before attempting that quest. Then I went back to the Western Expanse until I leveled up to 14. Afterwards I started the “Liberate Emprise du Lion" quest and failed again three times to kill the giant—who I assume is Ishmael.

 

I am not a warfare tactician so I never use the tactical aspect of this game. The fact of the matter is, I dislike it immensely. It is like looking down on a chess board and I hate playing chess.

 

So, unless I can figure some way to defeat these two hard ass Bosses I need help; or, I need the “killallhostiles” cheat code for DAI. Unfortunately there are no such codes at present. Which makes me wonder why Bioware has allowed us to access the in-game developer console?

 

Does anyone out there have any suggests other than for me to quit playing, “if I don’t like it?”



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Before starting a quest you should probably check the level required for that specific quest. If I'm not mistaken Here lies the Abyss is a level 14 quest and the Emprise du Lion area 16+. Since you're playing on casual and still having difficulties I'm assuming you're a beginner in this type of game? I suggest leveling up and doing side quest in other areas, trying to find or craft better gear, and coming back once you are higher level and with better gear. Also I suggest you read about your spells and how they work together as combos with the spells of your party members.



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the giant is not Ishmael. and if you died to it have fun on Ishmael or the dragons across the bridge esp the Highland Ravager.

ok, if you need cheat codes to beat a game stop playing. what is the purpose of even gaming if you have to use cheats to even do anything.

and like MasterSolo has said, look at the required level for zones and quest, not all areas in a zone are the same level so if you are under leveled or geared death is the outcome. explore the game more do side quest and other zones, then go back and try these two items again.
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As others have said best adivce for your case wud be to simply overlvl your char which can be done easely i wud suggest clearing maps like creswood,western approach, emerald greaves.

Another thing you cud do is check out some of the player builds for high dificulites and respec your characters according to them that should make it rly easy. For example if you properly respec Viviane as knight enchanter she should be able to easely solo anything on casual difficulty without any real effort just using 3 skills.(KE while extremly boring to play is super strong with minimal skill required, if you need any help with build fell free to send me a private msg for details about it and how to use it)



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Before starting a quest you should probably check the level required for that specific quest. If I'm not mistaken Here lies the Abyss is a level 14 quest and the Emprise du Lion area 16+. Since you're playing on casual and still having difficulties I'm assuming you're a beginner in this type of game? I suggest leveling up and doing side quest in other areas, trying to find or craft better gear, and coming back once you are higher level and with better gear. Also I suggest you read about your spells and how they work together as combos with the spells of your party members.

 

If I am not mistaken the level requirement for “Here Lies the Abyss,”  is in fact Level 12 to 15. I have well over 250 hours of play time in Skyrim, so I know about crafting. However, the crafting is not same. I mean, it is a pain in the rear just trying to locate the tomes and crap to become a "Rift Mage," or whatever it is actually called. As for crafting in DAI there seems to never be enough coin or materials or those stupid schematics or patterns or whatever they are actually called. 

 

I as a Mage and am all about the Fire, while Doren is all about the Ice. And, to that end it seems as though you can spend as much or more time studying how to play the game, than actually playing it. Am I really that dedicated or do I want to stick to games like Skyrim, Fall Out, Mass Effect, DAO and DA2? 

 

Moreover, since DAI came out I have started and restart a game more than a dozen times already.



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As i said in previus post if you want that special edge to be able to take on anything on casual without even minimal effort just respec Viviane into a proper Knight enchanter or chose it as your specialization if you dont want her as your party member.



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How do you respect a companion?



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If I am not mistaken the level requirement for “Here Lies the Abyss,”  is in fact Level 12 to 15. I have well over 250 hours of play time in Skyrim, so I know about crafting. However, the crafting is not same. I mean, it is a pain in the rear just trying to locate the tomes and crap to become a "Rift Mage," or whatever it is actually called. As for crafting in DAI there seems to never be enough coin or materials or those stupid schematics or patterns or whatever they are actually called. 

 

I as a Mage and am all about the Fire, while Doren is all about the Ice. And, to that end it seems as though you can spend as much or more time studying how to play the game, than actually playing it. Am I really that dedicated or do I want to stick to games like Skyrim, Fall Out, Mass Effect, DAO and DA2? 

 

Moreover, since DAI came out I have started and restart a game more than a dozen times already.

 

You don't need to spend time doing anything, it was just a suggestion, to make things easier for you, since you seem to be having a hard time even on casual. Since you said you played DA:O or DA:II then one would assume you already know about the combos. You have 250h in skyrim and you still have a problem here? on casual? I really have no idea how you played the other games, unless maybe you played with cheats. I didn't have issues on nightmare, and I played the same games as you. Look you can either accept the suggestions people give to you or you can continue complaining, it's your choice.


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You respec yourself or companions by using amulet called tactisans renewal(or soemthing like that), its the only amulet that the vendor in Skyhold smithy/workshop sells anyway so you cant mistakenly buy wrong one. So after you buy it you simply equip it on a character of your choice which consumes it and gives you back all your skillpoints.(there is endless supply of those amulets so you can do this as many times as you want as long as you can afford it-1st amulet is 1g, others around 350g)



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You don't need to spend time doing anything, it was just a suggestion, to make things easier for you, since you seem to be having a hard time even on casual. Since you said you played DA:O or DA:II then one would assume you already know about the combos. You have 250h in skyrim and you still have a problem here? on casual? I really have no idea how you played the other games, unless maybe you played with cheats. I didn't have issues on nightmare, and I played the same games as you. Look you can either accept the suggestions people give to you or you can continue complaining, it's your choice.

 

I apologize if it seems as though I am not accepting your advice, for nothing can be further from the truth. When I play DA2 I do get annoyed by all of the the constant fighting...the wave after wave of bandits and such. So, yes, I use the "killallhostiles."  Nothing wrong with that. As I said, I have played and replayed the same character in DAI more than a dozen times already, for a slew of reasons. I am trying to get it right--especially advancing through the story line. I love my character and I want to see her succeed. I have already invested a lot of time with her. As for why I have so many hours in Skyrim is because I love the game and I have well over 60 mods installed in the game. In fact, i have never played a vanilla game of any of the aforementioned games. Thank you for you feedback. it is much appreciated.



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You respec yourself or companions by using amulet called tactisans renewal(or soemthing like that), its the only amulet that the vendor in Skyhold smithy/workshop sells anyway so you cant mistakenly buy wrong one. So after you buy it you simply equip it on a character of your choice which consumes it and gives you back all your skillpoints.(there is endless supply of those amulets so you can do this as many times as you want as long as you can afford it-1st amulet is 1g, others around 350g)

So you can use that with your companions as well. I did not realize that.



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As i said in previus post if you want that special edge to be able to take on anything on casual without even minimal effort just respec Viviane into a proper Knight enchanter or chose it as your specialization if you dont want her as your party member.

 

I did as you said and changed Vivienne into a Knight-Enchanter and what a difference it makes in battle. Wow! I am impressed. Thank you.



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Np glad it helped out with your problem. While KE is rly powerfull other specializations are as well but those require much higher lvl of usage of crossclass combos and certain skills to make it as efficient or even stronger, but since you are playing on casual i assume combat rly isnt your thing and KE alows a simple easy to use build that is rly strong and will be able to take on any enemy on casual as long as you are not massivly underlvled.



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i suggest after reading this again to drop the difficulty even further. DA2 was a ridiculously easy game so was and is skyrim and the others you mentioned. using cheats to kill enemies and because they are annoying (I am taking this to mean to hard) is sort of BS.. the fact that the first thing you seem to go for is a KillAll command prompt tells the caliber of gaming. Most games made in the last 3 years the creators took out the options of the kill command saying that it takes away from game play and the intended way the game was meant to be.
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I desperately need help with this game? But, first and foremost, I am playing on a “PC” as a "Mage" and I am playing on the “Casual" setting. At level 13 I tried doing the “Here Lies the Abyss,” but failed three times to defeat the BOSS in the Fade. So, I deleted all of the saves, back to the last save before attempting that quest. Then I went back to the Western Expanse until I leveled up to 14. Afterwards I started the “Liberate Emprise du Lion" quest and failed again three times to kill the giant—who I assume is Ishmael.

 

I am not a warfare tactician so I never use the tactical aspect of this game. The fact of the matter is, I dislike it immensely. It is like looking down on a chess board and I hate playing chess.

 

So, unless I can figure some way to defeat these two hard ass Bosses I need help; or, I need the “killallhostiles” cheat code for DAI. Unfortunately there are no such codes at present. Which makes me wonder why Bioware has allowed us to access the in-game developer console?

 

Does anyone out there have any suggests other than for me to quit playing, “if I don’t like it?”

Hey

Im playing on casual and as a mage too, and I finished Here Liess The Abyss on 13 lvl ( and killed my first Dragon in a Hitterlands on 11 lvl). Here are my advices. First use tactical mode very often. Don't know if You noticed, but when You click the cursor on your enemy there is info about him. So You will know the best way to defeat him, will know his weakness etc. Some are immune to fire, some to ice so You will get the point. Second, if You can, try to craft better equipment than You have now. I can craft better armor and weapon than find from dropes. Third thing is a party. I have those: My PC Mage, Solas (mage), Kassandra (templar), and Sera ( archer). My mage first four skills are mix between fire, ice and lighting skill ( for various enemies) plus barrier., also I use one Inquisition special skill ( forgot the name, it's this one which You got fter Haven destoyed). This same mix skills have Solas on first 4 places. Sera have poison weapon skills plus everything from bows skills. Also You can have 3 regenerate health potions for each companion ( so they will not waste health potion. Fighting with Boss in the Fade:

Aspect of The Nightmare is Vulnerable to electricity and spirit so : cast barrier to protect yours team, cast yours lighting spell  I used lighting cage and then Rift spell and Solas have Thunder and then his Spirit spells ( he is spirit mage). Kassandra is use taunt and then she go for mele attack and Sera range. When spiders and Shadows spawn I used my mage fire AoE spell to took down them quickly. Remember to re-cast barrier every time You need. If any of companions is lightly wounded use regeneration potions instead of health potion.



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i suggest after reading this again to drop the difficulty even further. DA2 was a ridiculously easy game so was and is skyrim and the others you mentioned. using cheats to kill enemies and because they are annoying (I am taking this to mean to hard) is sort of BS.. the fact that the first thing you seem to go for is a KillAll command prompt tells the caliber of gaming. Most games made in the last 3 years the creators took out the options of the kill command saying that it takes away from game play and the intended way the game was meant to be.

 

 

Nope, not hard just damn annoying. In DA2 I get tired of wave after wave of idiots fall from they sky to impede my progress. A little goes a long way, as they say. Still, it is all a matter of personal perspective and a matter of choice. You play your game and I will play mine. How does that sound?



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Stupid question but where do i find level requirements? Asuming war table?

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Stupid question but where do i find level requirements? Asuming war table?

 

Yes, on the war table, before you start a main quest, you should see a "suggested level" in the mission description.



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yes,, because using cheat codes to insta-kill is playing the game. might as well put in the pacifier and watch a dvd.

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yes,, because using cheat codes to insta-kill is playing the game. might as well put in the pacifier and watch a dvd.

 

Except that I don't own a television. And, I cheat when it suits me. It is a game after all.  Incidentally, why would the game developers allow for an in-game developer console that anyone could access, if they know what they are doing? 



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Except that I don't own a television. And, I cheat when it suits me. It is a game after all.  Incidentally, why would the game developers allow for an in-game developer console that anyone could access, if they know what they are doing? 

 

The developer console is there for other reasons. And no developer ever intends for you to play the game with cheats. Same as every other game in the world, cheating is cheating. And this is why you are having issues with this game, even on the lowest difficulty. You never played a game as the developers intended you to play it. Cheats are not part of the gameplay, they never are, not in any game.



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I run  HLTA (the fade) at level 10 casual mode, no tact. cam used either. But, I also have the perks for 12 heal pots and, with me being a fire mage, I take along Solas whom I speck as ice with barrier and the passive that makes him less likely to get attacked from spirit tree. Must have Varric and Iron Bull along too. Bull is a great tank (Blackwell or Cassandra just isn't as good a tank and can't pull and hold the agro like Bull can.

 

Keep Barrier up on yourself and Bull as much as possible. Twice the boss goes into the square in the center, and you need to move away when he does, after that, hold to the genter. The other stuff is weak to fire so, just blast them away. The boss is resistant to fire but, immolate, fire wall and, fire mine damge him. When  Solace freezes or mind blasts him, thus making him hold still long enough for fire mine to work, use it, otherwise Barrier and immolate only.

 

Now at level 12 or 13 I can run it no pots but then I take down Hinterlands dragon at lev 9, Crestwood dragon at lev 10, right before doing HLTA. On casual, all you really need to know is the spell weakness of the boss, and take a mage heavy on that plus barrier and The Iron Bull and, an archer (I prefer Varric to Sera.)



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The developer console is there for other reasons. And no developer ever intends for you to play the game with cheats. Same as every other game in the world, cheating is cheating. And this is why you are having issues with this game, even on the lowest difficulty. You never played a game as the developers intended you to play it. Cheats are not part of the gameplay, they never are, not in any game.

 

Perhaps so, but it it is how I play when I deem it necessary.



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I run  HLTA (the fade) at level 10 casual mode, no tact. cam used either. But, I also have the perks for 12 heal pots and, with me being a fire mage, I take along Solas whom I speck as ice with barrier and the passive that makes him less likely to get attacked from spirit tree. Must have Varric and Iron Bull along too. Bull is a great tank (Blackwell or Cassandra just isn't as good a tank and can't pull and hold the agro like Bull can.

 

Keep Barrier up on yourself and Bull as much as possible. Twice the boss goes into the square in the center, and you need to move away when he does, after that, hold to the genter. The other stuff is weak to fire so, just blast them away. The boss is resistant to fire but, immolate, fire wall and, fire mine damge him. When  Solace freezes or mind blasts him, thus making him hold still long enough for fire mine to work, use it, otherwise Barrier and immolate only.

 

Now at level 12 or 13 I can run it no pots but then I take down Hinterlands dragon at lev 9, Crestwood dragon at lev 10, right before doing HLTA. On casual, all you really need to know is the spell weakness of the boss, and take a mage heavy on that plus barrier and The Iron Bull and, an archer (I prefer Varric to Sera.)

 

 

I finally got through the Boss fight in the fade on level 15, as a Rift Mage. In that fight I had Vivienne, as a Knight-Enchanter, Varric and Cassandra. No cheating . But, I have yet to kill a dragon.



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I desperately need help with this game? But, first and foremost, I am playing on a “PC” as a "Mage" and I am playing on the “Casual" setting. At level 13 I tried doing the “Here Lies the Abyss,” but failed three times to defeat the BOSS in the Fade. So, I deleted all of the saves, back to the last save before attempting that quest. Then I went back to the Western Expanse until I leveled up to 14. Afterwards I started the “Liberate Emprise du Lion" quest and failed again three times to kill the giant—who I assume is Ishmael.
 
I am not a warfare tactician so I never use the tactical aspect of this game. The fact of the matter is, I dislike it immensely. It is like looking down on a chess board and I hate playing chess.
 
So, unless I can figure some way to defeat these two hard ass Bosses I need help; or, I need the “killallhostiles” cheat code for DAI. Unfortunately there are no such codes at present. Which makes me wonder why Bioware has allowed us to access the in-game developer console?
 
Does anyone out there have any suggests other than for me to quit playing, “if I don’t like it?”


Is there a possibility that you are underutilizing passive skills in your builds?