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[Ryouseiken]

Shavon wrote...

Yes, garrus and Thane will be in my squad at the end. They must not die.

 Thane died in my very first playthrough of the game. I was like "askdahd WHAT? I had his loyalty!". As you can see I can be pretty naive. xD Mainly because I shoulda known there's more factors to the suicide mission then just the whole loyalty/not loyal thing.

[Marilynn-22]

I hope your able to have Garrus in your squad in ME3 ^^

[Ryouseiken]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Judging by the dialog placements and options, it makes you wonder if they were trying to dissuade people from the Garrus romance.

Makes you go 'hmmmm'.

I didn't think about that initially until I read this on the Mass Effect Wiki:

Garrus is a romance
option for female Shepard. Players encounter a softer, more emotional
side of Garrus' personality. It will be available to female Shepards
after completing Garrus' loyalty mission. It is interesting to note,
however, that in order to pursue the romance with Garrus, the player
should not make the "Paragon" choices. For instance, telling Garrus
that you don't want to ruin your friendship with an awkward
interspecies romance will convince Garrus that it is a crazy idea. More
coquettish responses will lead to Garrus to pursue the romance as well,
though the mood does remain somewhat awkward, as Garrus admits that he
is not necessarily attracted to humans - just Shepard. Shepard is also
offered numerous chances to turn down a sexual encounter as a Paragon
choice throughout the engagement, with perhaps, the implication that
Garrus is ultimately uncomfortable with it. As a result, the
implications of the romance on Shepard and Garrus' friendship Mass
Effect 3 are unclear. When Mordin notices your Shepard's attraction to Garrus, you
can ask him for advice regarding the turian, to which Mordin will warn
Shepard about chafing. He advises her not to consume turian tissue, as
it is based on dextro-DNA and can cause an allergic reaction in
Shepard's body. He then suggests that you return later for a painkiller
and forwards information packets regarding turian physiology to
Shepard's room.
The Garrus-Shepard Romance cutscene, out of the rest of the
romance cutscenes, is least implicative of a sexual encounter, but
judging by Mordin's assistance in research and the ability to invite
Garrus up following the romantic encounter like any other love
interest, it is not possible to rule it out.

Modifié par Ryouseiken, 02 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[Eradyn]

Ryouseiken wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Judging by the dialog placements and options, it makes you wonder if they were trying to dissuade people from the Garrus romance.

Makes you go 'hmmmm'.

I didn't think about that initially until I read this on the Mass Effect Wiki:

Garrus is a romance
option for female Shepard. Players encounter a softer, more emotional
side of Garrus' personality. It will be available to female Shepards
after completing Garrus' loyalty mission. It is interesting to note,
however, that in order to pursue the romance with Garrus, the player
should not make the "Paragon" choices. For instance, telling Garrus
that you don't want to ruin your friendship with an awkward
interspecies romance will convince Garrus that it is a crazy idea. More
coquettish responses will lead to Garrus to pursue the romance as well,
though the mood does remain somewhat awkward, as Garrus admits that he
is not necessarily attracted to humans - just Shepard. Shepard is also
offered numerous chances to turn down a sexual encounter as a Paragon
choice throughout the engagement, with perhaps, the implication that
Garrus is ultimately uncomfortable with it. As a result, the
implications of the romance on Shepard and Garrus' friendship Mass
Effect 3 are unclear. When Mordin notices your Shepard's attraction to Garrus, you
can ask him for advice regarding the turian, to which Mordin will warn
Shepard about chafing. He advises her not to consume turian tissue, as
it is based on dextro-DNA and can cause an allergic reaction in
Shepard's body. He then suggests that you return later for a painkiller
and forwards information packets regarding turian physiology to
Shepard's room.
The Garrus-Shepard Romance cutscene, out of the rest of the
romance cutscenes, is least implicative of a sexual encounter, but
judging by Mordin's assistance in research and the ability to invite
Garrus up following the romantic encounter like any other love
interest, it is not possible to rule it out.

Don't worry about it, that's not official canon (just someone's opinion of what it means).  I strongly doubt we had all those innuendo-laced and direct conversations just for a hug and head-bump...and Mordin most definitely wasn't sending pamphlets and oils for how best to hug a turian.  Nor would he warn of ingesting were that the goal. 

[Ryouseiken]

I so lol'd at that. =.=; Haha. We all know Mordin's a perverted doctor.

I hope Garrus and the romance sub-plot in general gets the justice and attention it deserves ME3. ): Although seeing it's Bioware, I doubt they will half-ass anything all that much. They're great at what they do.

[RohanDaKitty]

I love this thread! I love Garrus!

I just completed my first play through of Mass Effect 2. As a male Shepard though. Garrus was my "go-to" guy. It was fantastic seeing him again after becoming so close ot him in ME1.

Playing through ME1, I felt closer to Garrus. Being a Paragon in nature, I felt as though I brushed off on Garrus through ME1. I was disapointed to see he has regained some of his ways in ME2. But after talking to him, I really got a sense that, that's his character.

Garrus has depth. Ever since "Aliens" came out, 2 out of 3 space bad-asses are macho space marines with lines like, "Come get some!" I truly beleive Garrus does what he does because he believes it's right. He doesn't kill people because he wants to be "Cool" he does it because he wants to protect people. He wants to help people and finds himself frustrated by the rules and regulations of official Police and C-Sec work.

You can see the emotional side of Garrus and I think it is his sensitivity to the blight of others that pushes him to such extremes.

In most forms of media, not just games. Good guys are good and bad guys are bad. Garrus is a prime example of brilliant character development. He's a good person. He wants to help and it is those good qualities that can lead him to questionable behaviour and outcomes.

When he was shot, I was at a true loss. I feared for dear Garrus. But he made it and I feel I got to know him better. I think I can see what's going on in his head, when he talks or nods. For whatever reason, when I headed into the Omega 4 relay and told Garrus he would lead the other Fireteam, I saw something in his face that stood out to me.

Maybe I'm crazy and invented it in my head. But I think he apreciated the fact I believe he could lead a team after the unfortunate vents on Omega.

Impressive when you realise a Video Game developer is behind all that. 

[aznsoisauce]

But...initiating the flirtation takes place in the "paragon" position.



Perhaps it's just me but flirting with any of the love interests after the first time is no longer the "paragon" route. It seemed more like it was tailored to the people that romanced someone in the first game...so after the first come on, it becomes more "paragon" to remain friends than to "cheat" on Liara or Kaidan.

[Faerlyte]

RohanDaKitty wrote...

I love this thread! I love Garrus!

I just completed my first play through of Mass Effect 2. As a male Shepard though. Garrus was my "go-to" guy. It was fantastic seeing him again after becoming so close ot him in ME1.

Playing through ME1, I felt closer to Garrus. Being a Paragon in nature, I felt as though I brushed off on Garrus through ME1. I was disapointed to see he has regained some of his ways in ME2. But after talking to him, I really got a sense that, that's his character.

Garrus has depth. Ever since "Aliens" came out, 2 out of 3 space bad-asses are macho space marines with lines like, "Come get some!" I truly beleive Garrus does what he does because he believes it's right. He doesn't kill people because he wants to be "Cool" he does it because he wants to protect people. He wants to help people and finds himself frustrated by the rules and regulations of official Police and C-Sec work.

You can see the emotional side of Garrus and I think it is his sensitivity to the blight of others that pushes him to such extremes.

In most forms of media, not just games. Good guys are good and bad guys are bad. Garrus is a prime example of brilliant character development. He's a good person. He wants to help and it is those good qualities that can lead him to questionable behaviour and outcomes.

When he was shot, I was at a true loss. I feared for dear Garrus. But he made it and I feel I got to know him better. I think I can see what's going on in his head, when he talks or nods. For whatever reason, when I headed into the Omega 4 relay and told Garrus he would lead the other Fireteam, I saw something in his face that stood out to me.

Maybe I'm crazy and invented it in my head. But I think he apreciated the fact I believe he could lead a team after the unfortunate vents on Omega.

Impressive when you realise a Video Game developer is behind all that. 

Garrus is the man,  

And I felt something similar when I made Garrus my Fireteam leader. Even if it's just our imagination, it still filled me with a warm fuzzy watching that scene. I knew immediately that I was giving him the responsibility of team leader because I trust Garrus all the way and I knew he could do it, despite all that he's gone through. I'm sure he acknowledges it no differently when he's not the LI, but it feels different when he is, like he understands the silent message behind it, .

If that makes any sense, haha. I thought they did a great job on the final mission though - full of suspense and heart pounding moments. Like watching Garrus get shot...but I knew he wasn't going down that easily. He's a warrior. 

[tsatoma]

Argh, just beat the game but can't find button to call Garrus up. D: Oh well, maybe it'll turn up. I know that me and him....errr...well he spent the night! (though technically it was only two hours).



It was so nice watching the scene on my nice tv. :3

[aznsoisauce]

tsatoma wrote...

Argh, just beat the game but can't find button to call Garrus up. D: Oh well, maybe it'll turn up. I know that me and him....errr...well he spent the night! (though technically it was only two hours).

It was so nice watching the scene on my nice tv. :3

Did you talk to him post-game? Every squad mate has one last thing to say after surviving the final mission.

The console should be right next to your private terminal in your cabin. The only thing you can interact with that is between your private terminal and the achievements. Should say something like "Invite <LI name> Up" and then they appear sitting on your couch.

[tsatoma]

aznsoisauce wrote...

tsatoma wrote...

Argh, just beat the game but can't find button to call Garrus up. D: Oh well, maybe it'll turn up. I know that me and him....errr...well he spent the night! (though technically it was only two hours).

It was so nice watching the scene on my nice tv. :3

Did you talk to him post-game? Every squad mate has one last thing to say after surviving the final mission.

The console should be right next to your private terminal in your cabin. The only thing you can interact with that is between your private terminal and the achievements. Should say something like "Invite Up" and then they appear sitting on your couch.

Hmm, no I haven't. I guess that's what I'll do when I get back online. Thanks for letting me know about that!

[Nissun]

 All right... I have some questions. Let's start from the most technical one:

1- Can the dialogues get "stuck", are there any known glitches?

I ask because in my first ME1 playthrough, the last dialogue with him was glitched. It ended abruptly, with him never saying what he was going to do after the mission. I was told it was a glitch related to the paragon/renegade scores, and other playthroughs allowed the dialogue to end normally.

The thing is, back then I didn't even notice the dialogue wasn't ending like it should. And now I talk to him, he ends up saying something awkward, Shepard smiles, he says it sounded bad, and turns around. Is that right?

I've almost completed all loyalty missions, got the IFF, and get the feeling that the end may be close. I don't want to rush and leave things half-done. That's why I ask... 

2- ...how do I advance?

I was going to ask if anyone had a transcription of all dialogues, just to know how I'm doing, but I don't want more detailed spoilers (I've spoiled too much already)

3- Is there any interesting dialogue if you romance someone else?

They confront, ask you to choose or something?
I ask because I recruited Thane and, while I don't really have much interest in his romance, it may be interesting to try.


Sorry for all of this, but I'm so... I don't know.

Modifié par Nissun, 02 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Eradyn]

Nissun wrote...

 All right... I have some questions. Let's start from the most technical one:

1- Can the dialogues get "stuck", are there any known glitches?

I ask because in my first ME1 playthrough, the last dialogue with him was glitched. It ended abruptly, with him never saying what he was going to do after the mission. I was told it was a glitch related to the paragon/renegade scores, and other playthroughs allowed the dialogue to end normally.

The thing is, back then I didn't even notice the dialogue wasn't ending like it should. And now I talk to him, he ends up saying something awkward, Shepard smiles, he says it sounded bad, and turns around. Is that right?

I've almost completed all loyalty missions, got the IFF, and get the feeling that the end may be close. I don't want to rush and leave things half-done. That's why I ask... 

2- ...how do I advance?

I was going to ask if anyone had a transcription of all dialogues, just to know how I'm doing, but I don't want more detailed spoilers (I've spoiled too much already)

3- Is there any interesting dialogue if you romance someone else?

They confront, ask you to choose or something?
I ask because I recruited Thane and, while I don't really have much interest in his romance, it may be interesting to try.


Sorry for all of this, but I'm so... I don't know.

Once you get the IFF, don't waste any time beyond (perhaps) one other single mission.  That's the limit: one mission.  The longer you take, the more crew you will lose.

There is no showdown between people you've begun a relationship with (aside from the two scripted events, regardless of their status), and you can't even start up a new romance until you end it with the former LI.  So...don't worry about that happening.

[Xalena]

I beated game yesterday! doh I was so silly, forgot to wake up Legion and I got IFF quest haha...you know how that ended didn't save crew but fortunately I saved before touching galaxy map and talked with legion, did his loyal quest and then I got IFF ^^, went fast in Omega relay and saved crew, everyone survived. I had all upgrades just missed two for weapons guns and some other weapon but nothing important, got everyone loyal, romanced Garrus I was soo curious aswell what would happen if I choosed friend option in final scene.
I am glad now that you people answered here thanks for sparing me of bad-feeling moment lol. I couldn't watch it. I loved his comment after suicide mission haha great after that I could invite him in my room trough private terminal. Ending was too epic, final boss got me scarred, I was afraid to fight him xD he was soo scary!! I put Garrus to lead both team, I noticed aswell that meant to him alot, his noding and look said everything! Final romance scene was short but I got conclusion that we will see alot and more is coming in ME3! can't wait for ME3 ^^ actually I wish that this is not triology Bioware, please give us one big expansion x)...

Modifié par Xalena, 02 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[Xalena]

Why to hurry? You can do ALL side mission which your heart desire, do ALL loyalties, ALL upgrades if you want. Even if you see that IFF quest is in your quest log and iches your eyes everything is good until you start it then you can forget everything especially if you want to save your whole crew and it is worth saving, gives you rly good feeling in the end. It is main quest. Even when you get that quest your Shepard says: "Stop with upgrading and recruiting and get IFF or put it aside". It tells something.

That is the point, Bioware wanted us to feel whole game and not just skip skip skip this time. They want us to discover every inch of universe and do all things if you want to survive in the end. And rly when you go trough Omega relay I can tell you it is really rough. When you pass Omega relay you can die on every step if you didn't prepare yourself well. So prepare yourself well and your crew, meet them better, earn their trust and everything will be ok. Don't be shallow . Game don't push you and do timing if you don't want to except on that part because it is obvious. It is like your baby is kidnapped and you wait few days to complete building a house etc while your baby is kidnapped and probably tortured x). Just a one rough example ;P lol

Modifié par Xalena, 02 février 2010 - 06:53 .

[Eradyn]

Yeah, don't delay after the IFF unless you like torturing your crew. Or you want to see Kelly burn (literally). And I'm glad others did the "destroy Garrus" thing, because I still don't think I'd have had the guts to do that and see the aftermath...even if he tries to blow it off. :x

[wilde-shade]

Finished the game last night.



I expected to remain loyal to Kaiden. I didn't even like Garrus in the first game all that much - thought he was a bit boring. Then he comes into the second game all amusing and interesting and with brand new, super cool sexy scar... and then Kelly mentions that we would make a cute couple, and I'm all - "I can do that?!"



The romance was cute, but I wanted some closure. I much prefer Garrus to Kaiden, so I was hoping I'd be able to confirm that I wanted it to be more than "blowing off steam". Also, I feel cheated with the whole fade to black nonsense. I was hoping for a Mass Effect 1 style sex scene... I wanted to know how that was going to work out...



I want to start my second playthrough now and romance Thane, but.... agh... this overly attached loser is gonna have a hard time picking someone else.

[Xalena]

And yes put Garrus to lead both team, it nice to hear him how he shouts trough radio and get worry if you are alive : ))) and he will love you more because you trust him that he can lead team after failing at Omega with his Batman squad, it is some kind of redemption for him aswell ^^.

[Eradyn]

wilde-shade wrote...

Finished the game last night.

I expected to remain loyal to Kaiden. I didn't even like Garrus in the first game all that much - thought he was a bit boring. Then he comes into the second game all amusing and interesting and with brand new, super cool sexy scar... and then Kelly mentions that we would make a cute couple, and I'm all - "I can do that?!"

The romance was cute, but I wanted some closure. I much prefer Garrus to Kaiden, so I was hoping I'd be able to confirm that I wanted it to be more than "blowing off steam". Also, I feel cheated with the whole fade to black nonsense. I was hoping for a Mass Effect 1 style sex scene... I wanted to know how that was going to work out...

I want to start my second playthrough now and romance Thane, but.... agh... this overly attached loser is gonna have a hard time picking someone else.

lol

Yeah, there wasn't much closure, it seems, and I agree that the final romance scene left me wanting.  I mean...it cuts off way too quickly.  I'll accept that we wouldn't see a naked Garrus and Shepard, but something a little more...ME1-sexy-ish would have been awesome. Still, I'm grateful there's a Garrus romance in the first place. XD

Also, apparently Garrus is supposed to say something regarding your relationship post-Collector base, but I guess it's just buggy as heck (doesn't trigger in my game).  So...here's hoping for a patch to fix that because I want some ME2 acknowledgment, darnit!

Modifié par Eradyn, 02 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Xalena]

@wilde-Shade
How to remain loyal to Kaiden when he was such an @ss on Horizon it broke my heart really and I was such a cow to him aswell )) and I am glad that I was. He said that he moved on, so will I... That he cares he would send us more mails atleast ^^.

"blowing off steam" sounds ugly but behind that it is hiding something more.
Well how they did that scene and then fade to black, I am wondering if there was sex at all...xD it could be ok if they show them and behind bed like in Thane scene but no...there is no sign. I guess that they were just cuddling whole night or something.
Anyway Bioware did a good thing we can only fantasize ^^

Modifié par Xalena, 02 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[IccaRa]

In a way I like how Garrus's scene was left ambiguous. You can imagine whatever you like after the fade to black. One of my secondary Shepards likes Garrus and would love to pursue a romantic relationship with him, but she's not interested in him sexually all that much. So in my head!canon lots of quiet cuddling follows.



TBH, I found the more... eyecandy-ish romance finales a bit tacky. I much prefer Thane's and Garrus' and the like.



Not that I wouldn't mind some humma-humma action with our resident malien love machines, but still. I wouldn't want it at the risk of cheapening the emotional investment of the scene.

[Prolefeed]

wilde-shade wrote...

Finished the game last night.

I expected to remain loyal to Kaiden. I didn't even like Garrus in the first game all that much - thought he was a bit boring. Then he comes into the second game all amusing and interesting and with brand new, super cool sexy scar... and then Kelly mentions that we would make a cute couple, and I'm all - "I can do that?!"

The romance was cute, but I wanted some closure. I much prefer Garrus to Kaiden, so I was hoping I'd be able to confirm that I wanted it to be more than "blowing off steam". Also, I feel cheated with the whole fade to black nonsense. I was hoping for a Mass Effect 1 style sex scene... I wanted to know how that was going to work out...

I want to start my second playthrough now and romance Thane, but.... agh... this overly attached loser is gonna have a hard time picking someone else.

Seriously? After the Mordin conversation, I'm actually glad Bioware did a fade-to-black with no nudity. (A little more innuendo would have been nice - Shepard pulling up Garrus' shirt, more touching - but whatever.) Honestly, I imagine before they actually had sex, Garrus and Shepard had to sit down and pull out Mordin's diagrams and explain their body parts to each other. Which would have been hilarious, but I might have passed out from the awkward. Hell, they probably at least had to take a minute to figure out how to kiss!

"Shepard, what is that?"
"Oh, Mordin gave me this stuff. He said it prevents, uhh, chafing."
"That's, umm, good, I guess. He also told me not to let you, umm, ingest . . . me. Do humans commonly eat each other during sex?"
"It's called a ******."
"What's a ******? I've heard human C-Sec officers mention them once or twice."
"It's good you didn't ask them." :P

[Shoko86]

I still can't believe they turned Garrus into a romance-able party member. Just wow.