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[Chimervera]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
One question: I read somewhere that the second squadmate Shepard chooses for the final battle will be the one she saves from falling off the platform. Is there any truth to that?

I chose Garrus first (and everyone says,"Liek, DUH, Cherissa!") and he was the one my FemShep saved. My MaleShep chose Tali first and she was the one he saved - these characters were the LIs.

I chose Garrus first, but I saved my other squadmate (can't remember who it was). I don't think there's a way of guaranteeing who it is.

Edit: Ninja'd

Madolin wrote...

Garrus and Shepard look so great togther, not to mention Eradyn as a reporter...

I lol'd so hard at that.

It gives me hope that maybe we'll all get to have our fav. couple get
annoyed a bit by that reporter lady , for the lulz. Maybe Garrus will
do the punching this time?

That would be hilariously awesome!

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Are there any guys who post here because Garrus is a huge bro who takes on 3 merc gangs and calibrates guns is this a mostly femshep thread?

just curious

Oh yes. We have a lot of 'em. Sometime between ME and ME2, Garrus turned into freakin' Batman and it totally got noticed.

oh cool, well you guys have my support

Garrus is awesome. He has probably the best recruit mission ever.

[Gamine]

Yeah, it wasn't a total emotional deal-breaker, but it did bum me out a little (especially since Shep always goes and checks on the catchee first after the platform lands...having her not make sure Garrus was alright straight away made me :| especially since he had a GIANT CHUNK OF DEBRIS CRUSHING HIM. Come on, Shepard!). I wish it would have defaulted to your chosen LI (if you had one), for just that extra little push of emotion. Ah well.

[enormousmoonboots]

My friend and I have pooled our data, and which squadmate you save is still up in the air; at first I thought LI overrrode anyone else, but then he saved someone else while Tali was in his party. So it seems random, rather than first-slot party member.



Only solid thing I have is that the party member who rescues you is never the one that you save (that is, Shepard catches party member A and is caught by party member .

[SirEmilCrane]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

My friend and I have pooled our data, and which squadmate you save is still up in the air; at first I thought LI overrrode anyone else, but then he saved someone else while Tali was in his party. So it seems random, rather than first-slot party member.

Only solid thing I have is that the party member who rescues you is never the one that you save (that is, Shepard catches party member A and is caught by party member .

Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

[Chimervera]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Only solid thing I have is that the party member who rescues you is never the one that you save (that is, Shepard catches party member A and is caught by party member B).

Not neccesarily - a friend of mine saved and was saved by Samara.

Edit: Ninja'd again

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[Kim Shepard]

@ EbolaLola: Maybe it's just random then. o.o; I'd rather not have to replay the final battle just because I want Shepard to catch Garrus at the end... I would be worried that I wouldn't manage to win again. xD



@ aznsoisauce: That's the reason why I want Shepard to catch Garrus, same for my other Shepards and their romance interests. I also want one of my Renegade Shepards (who didn't romance anyone) to catch Grunt because that just seems like the kind of awesome thing he'd do.

[enormousmoonboots]

Really? Damn, that means it's totally random everywhere (or determined by something we haven't figured out yet).

[Ms Cherissa]

SirEmilCrane wrote...
Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

You know, I don't know why I have such Miranda-H8 but I really do. Maybe she just comes off as too MarySue to me - she really reminds me of some characters played by the GM* (and/or chat room mod) that I've had to put up with - but I take it as a BAD sign that I read your post and thought, "It'd sure be nice if that beam had done its job there. She probably woulda squished real nice".

EDIT:  * (or worse, the girlfriend of the GM/chat room mod)

Modifié par Ms Cherissa, 15 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[SirEmilCrane]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Really? Damn, that means it's totally random everywhere (or determined by something we haven't figured out yet).

Your best bet is the second pick method, it's worked for me both times I've played through

wow, this thread moves like molasses compared to the tali thread

Modifié par SirEmilCrane, 15 février 2010 - 08:25 .

[aznsoisauce]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...
Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

You know, I don't know why I have such Miranda-H8 but I really do. Maybe she just comes off as too MarySue to me - she really reminds me of some characters played by the GM* (and/or chat room mod) that I've had to put up with - but I take it as a BAD sign that I read your post and thought, "It'd sure be nice if that beam had done its job there. She probably woulda squished real nice".

EDIT:  * (or worse, the girlfriend of the GM/chat room mod)

Initially, I only disliked her because she always assumes she has authority or power. Regardless of how much she seems to think it's a Cerberus Operation, Miranda follows Shep's every whim without question. I like to think of Miranda's loyalty mission as Shepard's way of manipulating her...Ben Linus style.

But now that you've pointed the Mary-Sue thing out, it is blinding. Bioware, I am disappoint.

[Kim Shepard]

I guess I'll choose him as the second squadmate and hope for the best since that seems to work for a lot of people so far. Hopefully, if I do end up loading a save and choosing Garrus first because it didn't work, it won't prove to be totally random and choose the other squadmate again. xD That would get frustrating after a while, and I'd probably memorize the end scenes.

[Ms Cherissa]

aznsoisauce wrote...
Initially, I only disliked her because she always assumes she has authority or power. Regardless of how much she seems to think it's a Cerberus Operation, Miranda follows Shep's every whim without question. I like to think of Miranda's loyalty mission as Shepard's way of manipulating her...Ben Linus style.

But now that you've pointed the Mary-Sue thing out, it is blinding. Bioware, I am disappoint.

I hate to use the MarySue/GaryStu word, but the shoe does fit. Yes. Very dissapoint.

[ThatDancingTurian]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Initially, I only disliked her because she always assumes she has authority or power. Regardless of how much she seems to think it's a Cerberus Operation, Miranda follows Shep's every whim without question. I like to think of Miranda's loyalty mission as Shepard's way of manipulating her...Ben Linus style.

But now that you've pointed the Mary-Sue thing out, it is blinding. Bioware, I am disappoint.

I'm very much a fan of Miranda, so while I don't agree with this assessment at all... Yay, LOST reference! Go you! 

[SirEmilCrane]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...
Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

You know, I don't know why I have such Miranda-H8 but I really do. Maybe she just comes off as too MarySue to me - she really reminds me of some characters played by the GM* (and/or chat room mod) that I've had to put up with - but I take it as a BAD sign that I read your post and thought, "It'd sure be nice if that beam had done its job there. She probably woulda squished real nice".

EDIT:  * (or worse, the girlfriend of the GM/chat room mod)

Well, I am a staunch talimancer and Miranda is her majesty's loyal opposition

but no, I would never wish death on someone
/sarcasm

[enormousmoonboots]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...
Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

You know, I don't know why I have such Miranda-H8 but I really do. Maybe she just comes off as too MarySue to me - she really reminds me of some characters played by the GM* (and/or chat room mod) that I've had to put up with - but I take it as a BAD sign that I read your post and thought, "It'd sure be nice if that beam had done its job there. She probably woulda squished real nice".

EDIT:  * (or worse, the girlfriend of the GM/chat room mod)

The thing that frustrates me most about Miranda is her out-of-the-blue face-heel turn on TIM; maybe there's a whole bunch of extra conversations where she actually becomes loyal to you if you romance her, but she shows exactly zero doubt in Cerberus (tells you that all the evil **** Cerberus did wasn't actually them [hurr durr], tells Jack she should have died and threatens to kill her [!!!], constantly reaffirming her loyalty to them in all of her conversation options) throughout the game until her 'handing in my resignation' bit if you bring her to the final battle. I mean, WAT?

I'd actually respect her character a lot more if she pulled a gun on you at the end and you had to Charm/Intimidate her down. Her betraying Cerberus makes no goddamn sense, especially when you take into account that most of the reason she joined them was to protect her sister--and now that she's gone, Cerberus has no reason to keep hiding Oriana.

...I suppose I should at least try to keep this on topic, eh?

[DeeLite808]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Really? Damn, that means it's totally random everywhere (or determined by something we haven't figured out yet).

well I've played through the last leg of the mission several times, with different squadmates, and the squad mate I chose second for the leg, was the one I rescued.

To be concrete, when Shepard makes his/her speech before the last leg, the character that gets on the platform with her/him second, is the one that you will catch.

In my 8 or so playthroughs (i lost count after a while), 2nd character chosen and/or 2nd character to join you on the platform is the one that you end up catching (LI or not). I haven't had any deviation yet on that.

More playthroughs required to be sure, but 8 out of 8, I rescued the character that was chosen second.

[Ms Cherissa]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

...I suppose I should at least try to keep this on topic, eh?

Wait, wut? We were talking about ... 

...so shiny.

[SirEmilCrane]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

LOL, we have the same pic over in the tali thread except it obviously features Tali. Seems that Zaeed's mission was very popular

[Madolin]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Ms Cherissa wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...
Actually I caught tali and was saved by her in the same play through, it might just be random. I think Miranda overides the saving you and being caught under the beam though.

You know, I don't know why I have such Miranda-H8 but I really do. Maybe she just comes off as too MarySue to me - she really reminds me of some characters played by the GM* (and/or chat room mod) that I've had to put up with - but I take it as a BAD sign that I read your post and thought, "It'd sure be nice if that beam had done its job there. She probably woulda squished real nice".

EDIT:  * (or worse, the girlfriend of the GM/chat room mod)

The thing that frustrates me most about Miranda is her out-of-the-blue face-heel turn on TIM; maybe there's a whole bunch of extra conversations where she actually becomes loyal to you if you romance her, but she shows exactly zero doubt in Cerberus (tells you that all the evil **** Cerberus did wasn't actually them [hurr durr], tells Jack she should have died and threatens to kill her [!!!], constantly reaffirming her loyalty to them in all of her conversation options) throughout the game until her 'handing in my resignation' bit if you bring her to the final battle. I mean, WAT?

I'd actually respect her character a lot more if she pulled a gun on you at the end and you had to Charm/Intimidate her down. Her betraying Cerberus makes no goddamn sense, especially when you take into account that most of the reason she joined them was to protect her sister--and now that she's gone, Cerberus has no reason to keep hiding Oriana.

...I suppose I should at least try to keep this on topic, eh?

I agree, Miranda's sudden change of heart at the end seemed OOC. At the time it made me think i wasn't paying enough attention to previous dialogue interactions. I do have to admit, however that i found myself liking her more after she told TIM off.
I had Garrus and her in my final team, because it seemed oddly right. Miranda being the one who brought you back from the dead and Garrus who was my LI.


Yay for random Garrus butt shot. Awwwww yeah. *cat calls*

[ThatDancingTurian]

I don't think she's a Mary Sue because I don't feel she garners the double-standard those characters get. She's not trusted and not -liked- by many of the characters, heck it seems she even managed to push Jacob away even though he was obviously interested in her at some point. I also don't think her decision on the collector base was her suddenly changing her mind, I think it's just that Miranda keeps things close to the vest. Miranda is actually fiercely loyal. When you earn her loyalty, she still doesn't want to betray Cerberus, so she falls back on the old company line until the issue is forced at the base. When it came down to it, she decides that it's Shepard that's really there for her, the one person she can really trust.

To me, a Mary Sue is a character that behaves one way (usually selfishly) but is portrayed and seen as something contrary to those actions by those around her. For instance, characters that can do no wrong, characters that are seen as sympathetic when they haven't done anything to earn that sympathy, that sort of thing. I don't think Miranda has done that at all.

EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is, while many of her actions have been self-serving, I don't think she has been treated as though that was not the case.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 15 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[ComTrav]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

LOL, we have the same pic over in the tali thread except it obviously features Tali. Seems that Zaeed's mission was very popular

Everyone looks good by the waterfall.
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[ComTrav]

Madolin wrote...


I agree, Miranda's sudden change of heart at the end seemed OOC. At the time it made me think i wasn't paying enough attention to previous dialogue interactions. I do have to admit, however that i found myself liking her more after she told TIM off.
I had Garrus and her in my final team, because it seemed oddly right. Miranda being the one who brought you back from the dead and Garrus who was my LI.


Yay for random Garrus butt shot. Awwwww yeah. *cat calls*

It doesn't seem very OOC if you take other opportunities to push her on Cerberus. (Some of which, unfortunately, you only get by romancing her.) If you take her on Jack's loyalty mission, for example, she's appropriately horrified on what went on there--but she still rationalizes it's not 'really' Cerberus.

Part of her character arc is that she's coming into her own personhood; her father and Cerberus regard her as valuable mainly for her abilities, and she's grateful to Cerberus essentially because she feels like she can flex her intellectual muscle and use her abilities to maximum use. Shepard helps convince her that she doesn't really need Cerberus to do that, and after seeing TiM argue for keeping the Collector Base, she finally realizes she's in with some Pretty Bad People, and her rationalizations no longer suffice.

I do, however, feel pretty railroaded I can't get her (or anyone else's) reaction to TiM's set-up on the Collector Ship.

Modifié par ComTrav, 15 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[aznsoisauce]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I don't think she's a Mary Sue because I don't feel she garners the double-standard those characters get. She's not trusted and not -liked- by many of the characters, heck it seems she even managed to push Jacob away even though he was obviously interested in her at some point. I also don't think her decision on the collector base was her suddenly changing her mind, I think it's just that Miranda keeps things close to the vest. Miranda is actually fiercely loyal. When you earn her loyalty, she still doesn't want to betray Cerberus, so she falls back on the old company line until the issue is forced at the base. When it came down to it, she decides that it's Shepard that's really there for her, the one person she can really trust.

To me, a Mary Sue is a character that behaves one way (usually selfishly) but is portrayed and seen as something contrary to those actions by those around her. For instance, characters that can do no wrong, characters that are seen as sympathetic when they haven't done anything to earn that sympathy, that sort of thing. I don't think Miranda has done that at all.

EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is, while many of her actions have been self-serving, I don't think she has been treated as though that was not the case.

I respect this analysis.

But just as I will always be bitter about Kaidan's "JOKER'S WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE," I will not soon forget Miranda's "I'm Shepard's second-in-command."

RE: Garrus booty shot - Oh...Garr-garr. Your hips look especially supportive right durr, uh-huh. ...I want a piggy-back ride.

[aznsoisauce]

forget what I said here. It never happened.

YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 15 février 2010 - 09:01 .