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[Tootles FTW]

I heard the Garrus & Tali supporters were very vocal, but alas I hopped onto the ME1 bandwagon really late and I never got the chance to see for myself. Apparently there were enough fans of each to warrant attention from Casey Hudson, though!

[Mr Heatsink]

Well it was stated that the romance will be a big part of ME3. And I believe that Garrus eventually admit that he loves Shepard. Garrus' Romance scene shows more of the emotions between the two. And maybe they might have a special quest for the LI and then after they talk and then they admit to oving your Shepard. IT would be great if garrus admitted it and then they cuddled. Perfect way to round everything up and finish the game with a smile.

[SavageLycan]

Ha ha! The new advice Garrus's and pictures... What a thing to wake up to.

I'm crazy about you guys, I really am. Makes me feel like far less of a nut knowing there are this many other people who act this way about Garrus.

Modifié par SavageLycan, 16 février 2010 - 01:18 .

[aznsoisauce]

Oh my   god. 

You know...I just have to say...I'm about to leave for day one of two 8-hour orientations at my new job. I can say with confidence that I can not wait to come home to the happiest place on the internet - this thread.

[Gerse1]

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

This would be completely out of character for him, but I'd like to hear him brag to everyone else that he's "hittin dat." Not in a chauvinistic way, of course, just...proud to have the most bad ass woman on his arm, you know?

This probably stems from my deep desire to just rub it in Alenko's face. A quip about it from Garrus to Kaidan just seems far too cruel, though. "Like fresh snow, Kaidan. Fresh. Snow."

...hot and sexy shirtless-for-science fight ensues.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to make an ME1 playthrough romancing Kaiden just so I can see the eventual confrontation about Garrus and for the sheer pleasure of cheating on him muahahaha.

Oh I would looooove to see a clash of egos/honor/testosterone over Shep. I think the fact that she's the complete opposite of fair damsel to be dueled over makes it even better. Sadly I can see Bioware wimping out on any LI-confrontations and having Kaiden just have "moved on" enough to be like "oh...I see...well I can't say I expected *Garrus* but, well, I certainly respect his abilities; if it had to be somebody, Commander, I guess I can live with that." =\\

[Gerse1]

siltsonata wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...
DAMN, I missed that perfect "that's what she said" moment!  His shot knocked my shields down completely and took be down to 50% health.  Let's hope a possible allergic reaction to his...ahem...actual "shot" does not produce the same results.  Though that would be pretty funny bedroom talk: "SHIELDS ARE DOWN!"

Oh God, thanks for ruining all of Garrus's battle chatter forever. 

"Right behind you, Shepard"

"Never saw me comin'!"

"Scoped and dropped!"

"Shepard's hit!"

Most of them aren't even that bad really, but now the thought's in my head, and it'll never go away.

omg....i'm am slouching down to hide behind my laptop screen trying not to break my cover of maturity and seriousness during class....holding in laughter never hurt so much..."never saw me comin'!" lollolol

[Prolefeed]

Milady495a wrote...

 Hi there, fellow turian-lovers! 

It's been about 4 days of reading for me to catch up with the thread, but I must say that it's been worthwhile, to the extent of laughing to death of these crazy ideas of yours! awesome! Lovely pics, great stories and insights, it really helped to see I wasn't the only one "reading between the lines". 

Soo... I had to spread the Garrus-love. 

I recall telling a friend of mine about Garrus when ME1 came out, and trying to explain to her how awesome the character was and how much imagination I had to put into the story to see it as an unrequited love of some sorts. She was all 'seems nice, but... huh, not my type'.

Then ME2 came out. Good God. I needed her to play. In fact, I put her right behind the computer for a couple of hours, lead her to the Archangel recruitment mission, and came back later on to see how it went.

My friend: OMFG! Fffff.. That was the most badass and sexy thing I've seen since Leon Kennedy headshooting zombies. It's all clear to me now. Grr... I just want him to tell me to lean on the table with that soft voice of his *insert vicious grin*
Me: Welcome to the club. 


Renegade Shepards:

Most of you have chosen the 'right' path of doing things or is it just me? I found it most attractive to line up with Garrus doing "not-by-the-book" actions. He threatening Harkin and shooting him was not terrifying at all for me -in fact, I found it sickly appealing ... Huh, am I twisted? =/

Let me present my case: I had encouraged him in ME1 to do whatever necessary to get things done, as I think myself that paperwork and authorities are too crippling when it comes to do major goods. Shepard didn't accomplish her mission by abiding the law, even when you're a Paragon. She always had to delve into subterfuges. A guy like Garrus, concerned with justice and saving lives, could not by any chance become Saren, he would just continue "vigilanteing" in various degrees, which I found great. Gangs and mercenaries aren't innocent people, he was doing the right thing although operating on the fringes of the law. A guy like him couldn't/shouldn't (imo, and just the way I see it, you know, every one has his/her "canon-Garrus") apply for a bureaucratic work in C-Sec, as he used to. Some people need killing, just as Harkin did, and Sidonis, but that's another point that has to be discussed further.

On the other hand, I understand Sidonis is more to him than a mere despicable killer. This former team member betrayed Garrus' unit, but he acknowledges it and feels truly repentant. It's not the same as if he killed them on purpose and out of anger or rage or whatever, he was forced into it. Some people need killing, true -I still support that-, but it doesn't apply to most of the sceneries in which somebody commits a terrible mistake. Myself, I would spare him, now that I see it that way (thanks to you, guys =) ). Garrus would too, with a bit of help from Shepard, and became in peace with himself. My only concern is that he'll go *all* Paragon after that, being myself quite a fan of pissing off bad guys and scaring people that deserve it. I'd go all good-bad cops with the poor fellow that came across our way.

Shepard: You choose *gently grabbing the merc's shoulder*, either you tell us what we need to know, or this big scarred turian with a rifle will blow your head off.
Garrus: *says nothing. Looks cool and menacing while leaning on a nearby wall, slightly showing his fangs*
Random Merc: *stares at both of them in despair*
Shepard: Now, let's be on good terms and hand over the intel, alright?
Garrus: Commander, maybe he will be more enthusiastic if I shoot him somewhere dispensable. Your call.
Merc: W-wait! I'll talk!



Sorry for the wall of text. I have many ideas that I would like to share, and I think this is a hell of a nice community, I'm truly amazed by the level of kindness and respect it has reached. It's all Garrus' fault! =)


PS: I'm not English, excuse me for any mistakes I might have made :/

I missed this before I made my last post. THIS IS AWESOME!!! Please keep posting your ideas.

My Shepard is extremely Paragon, but I know exactly what you mean, how it was kind of hot to fall in with Garrus and bend the rules together. He tempted my Shepard into several threats and insults she wouldn't have given out otherwise.

[Prolefeed]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Also, I know I must be in the minority here, but I am violently opposed to even the thought of hybrid kids. The Garrus romance can really skirt into Mary Sue/bad fanfic territory if the devs let it. It's arguably a little bit that way anyway. I don't think they intended to do it from the beginning. They are just catering to fans, but I want them to do so responsibly in a way that makes sense for their universe and for the character. This is also why I'm not crazy about the idea of a "space wedding" or any kind of formalized long-term commitment with Garrus (and most of the other LIs.) I just don't think it's in character for him. Frankly, I even think the phrase "I love you" would be a little much for Garrus. I don't think he's cold or anything. I just don't think he's sentimental. He's not like Thane whose going to break down and really show you some softer side. "I want something to go right. Just once..." That's about as soft as I ever want Garrus to get. He's badass dipped in awesome sauce. Dorky and nervous on occasion I can buy a little, but mushy and sentimental...I couldn't buy it.

But even Batman, in the recent Paul Dini run of Detective Comics (which is made of win, btw) , admitted to Catwoman that she was the only woman he ever loved.  To ask for something similar out of Garrus, our resident ME-Batman, I think is completely in-character dependent upon your Paragon/Renegade leanings.

Oh, and don't forget the kid. *shudder* So Garrus might but up for a few younglings.

God, why does it have to be Talia's kid? She's BY FAR Batman's worst romantic interest. I don't even understand how he's attracted to her.

[Gerse1]

Prolefeed wrote...

I missed this before I made my last post. THIS IS AWESOME!!! Please keep posting your ideas.

My Shepard is extremely Paragon, but I know exactly what you mean, how it was kind of hot to fall in with Garrus and bend the rules together. He tempted my Shepard into several threats and insults she wouldn't have given out otherwise.

Yes yes yes, this.  It is interesting to me to read so much discussion about paragon Shep engaging in "changing" Garrus' character, or at least "swaying him" and trying to nudge him in paragon directions over the course of the entire trilogy.  I don't know if there is an official dev statement on this, but a lot of people seem to talk about it like it's almost an official goal of the developers for paragon players.  I'm not denying that some of the greatest Garrus moments are provided by the interplay between his morality chocies and Shep and that you can influence him one way or the other. 
But my mainShep is paragon (well paragade), and I've always felt, as a Garrus lover that is :kissing:that the interplay is a two-way street.  My Shep is at her most renegade when she's with Garrus, though she usually just limits it to dialogue.  And she doesn't stop him from things like killing Sidonis because she wants to "change" him, per se, but more because she a) wants to keep him from doing something he'd regret, because she cares, and in those situations, she's technically part of the mission too.  If she moves to give him a clear shot of Sidonis, his "murder" if you want to call that, is almost as much on her hands.

Anyway I'm not criticizing anybody who likes to look at it as Shepard is slowly changing Garrus over time (because...she is).  I just think it's a great achievement of the devs that it works in the other direction (i.e. upon the player).  I'm not even sure if they did it on purpose, or it's just a happy accident.


EDIT: plus, like you said, she secretly finds his bad boy behavior very sexy .  going on missions with Garrus is kind of her way of living on the edge without actually compromising her principles.

Modifié par Gerse1, 16 février 2010 - 02:41 .

[squidbunny]

Bunch of pages belated (like always!) but the Garrus/Shep piece is looking amazing, Ravenstar. I envy your patience for mind-blowing detail like that.

[Prolefeed]

I had a few ideas on whether or not Garrus would say "I love you" to Shepard. So . . . Here goes.

Something I've actually been thinking about for the past few weeks is whether or not Turians even have a human concept of love. Obviously the Salarians don't, the Krogan are too emotionally hardened, and the Asari view relationships too philosophically to subscribe to the "one true love" idea. Tali's comments on her father's reaction to her mother's death (becoming all distant and such) lead me to believe that Quarian ideas of love/marriage/romantic partnerships are similar to humanity's. But what about Turians?

We know Turians have casual sex for fun like people do. We know Garrus, at least, cares about Shepard a great deal. We know Septimus cared so much about Shiala that he spiraled into deep depression when she rejected him. Oh, and we know there's a Turian in the gift shop on the Citadel who doesn't want to have the "life-spans talk" with his Asari lover.

But we also know that Turians are taught from an extremely young age that the group is more important than the individual. Personal decisions are never to interfere with your work. This interests me, as it's a fairly common moral dilemma in human media (books, tv shows, movies) for the protagonist to be forced to decide between helping the greater good or doing something that preserves their relationship (the simplest example of this is when the Green Goblin, in one of the recent movies, tries to force Spiderman to chose between saving his love and a trolley full of innocent people). In human reasoning, this dilemma has weight because it is morally permissible to save/help/pursue your One True Love rather than working for the greater good. However, what we've seen of Turian culture leads me to believe it would never be permissible for a Turian to decide to save his love in that situation. Sacrifice of the relationship and taking the action that would help with greater good would be expected.

Now, what really interests me is that I'm of the opinion that this mentality would trickle down into every aspect of Turian culture. Whereas, in human culture, it's pretty common to take into consideration things such as what would allow you to be near your lover when making important life decisions (I will take the job in NYC rather than the job in Philadelphia because my lover can also get a job in NYC, I will not take the promotion because I would have to travel a lot and I want to strengthen our relationship instead, ect.), I believe these things would not be taken into consideration in Turian culture at all. In the Turian Hierarchy, if you're offered a promotion, you take it, because with that promotion you can better serve the Hierarchy. Doesn't matter if you have to move to the Citadel and your lover still lives on Palaven. Tough ****. There are tons of hypothetical examples I could come up with, but I think you get the idea.

My point is, I'm not sure Turians actually have the human concept of "love." Or, at least, they don't understand it as we do. Many people define love as "one person being the most important thing to you in the world," or something to that effect. A Turian concept of love would probably be something more along the lines of "the individual you most enjoy spending time with."

Remember, you snap Septimus out of his funk by appealing to his sense of duty and honor. And if you take Garrus with you on that mission, he's disgusted with Septimus, and seems to not even understand how Shiala could have made Septimus act in that way.

So, I think Septimus is actually a fluke in Turian psychology, and that most Turians don't become devoted to their lovers at the level Septimus displayed. I think Turian relationships are much less obsessive than human relationships tend to be, and there's a mutual understanding in both partners that the relationship always comes second to serving the Hierarchy.

If Shepard wants to hear Garrus say he loves her, first she might have to sit him down and explain what "love" is. It would involve lots of romance movies, Pride & Prejudice, and basically every love song ever made.  CUTE!

Oh, and last thought: Even though human love may not be typical to Turian culture, I do believe Turians are capable of feeling it if they're able to buck their primary devotion to the Hierarchy. And since Garrus has already ditched the Hierarchy, I think he'd tell Shepard he loves her as soon as she gives him a name for the strange, rather frightening new emotion he's feeling. <3

Whew, done. Discuss?

Modifié par Prolefeed, 16 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[Sialater]

I was going to say... Garrus would actually have to give a quad what the Hierarchy wants from him in order to give up following Shepard around. Whether romanced or not, Shepard is a guiding force in Garrus' life.

Turian culture sounds an awful like the old Japanese culture. My husband studied the language in college and told me that until the 20th century, there was no word for romantic love as Westerners know it. It didn't exist and wasn't acknowledged.

I'm pretty sure humanity could corrupt that philosophy as the West polluted the Japanese with all this flowery hearts and roses crap. 

Modifié par Sialater, 16 février 2010 - 03:35 .

[AngryP1xel]

Gerse1 wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

This would be completely out of character for him, but I'd like to hear him brag to everyone else that he's "hittin dat." Not in a chauvinistic way, of course, just...proud to have the most bad ass woman on his arm, you know?

This probably stems from my deep desire to just rub it in Alenko's face. A quip about it from Garrus to Kaidan just seems far too cruel, though. "Like fresh snow, Kaidan. Fresh. Snow."

...hot and sexy shirtless-for-science fight ensues.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to make an ME1 playthrough romancing Kaiden just so I can see the eventual confrontation about Garrus and for the sheer pleasure of cheating on him muahahaha.

Oh I would looooove to see a clash of egos/honor/testosterone over Shep. I think the fact that she's the complete opposite of fair damsel to be dueled over makes it even better. Sadly I can see Bioware wimping out on any LI-confrontations and having Kaiden just have "moved on" enough to be like "oh...I see...well I can't say I expected *Garrus* but, well, I certainly respect his abilities; if it had to be somebody, Commander, I guess I can live with that." =\\\\

I dunno.  A part of me can imagine Kaidan taking a swing at him for stealing his woman.

[Gerse1]

@ prolefeed.  hmmm. Very good observations.  (Though Krogans might still be capable of love, Charr sure loved his Blue Rose of Illium  ) I think you are generally right, but I'm also glad you pointed out that there will likely always be individuals who are exceptions to the rule, like Septimus.  It's still possible that turians could practice marriage-esque monogamy (I don't believe the codex has ever specified?), but, as you said, perhaps it would fall lower in the hierarchy of turian social institutions and responsibilities than it does in human ones.  For example in human cultures marriage has often been sanctified in religious systems which gives it further gravitas.  Turians might never have associated it with spiritual life. 

But again, there will always be those rogue individuals.  I believe the codex says that sometimes turians who don't embrace or assimilate into the system well aren't really punished, they just never rise through the ranks.  But maybe a rare, socially rebellious turian who allows himself to elevate love above duty simply wouldn't care, he'd accept his fate.  Or, perhaps Septimus waited until he was getting on in years and had risen to a high position to start daring to let his emotions win the battle sometimes.  Garrus himself has already shown his willingness to buck the system and give rules the finger.  He left the military (that most turian of institutions), he wanted to be a Spectre, he couldn't stand C-Sec's structured environment, and he's gallavanting around with a human half the galaxy sees as brave but probably a little crazy, trying to "save the galaxy."  I think he's probably capable of loving Shepard, but I have to vote with those that think he wouldn't say it out loud very often, and then *never* over a candle-lit dinner.  I like the heat-of-battle idea, personally

[Gerse1]

AngryP1xel wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

This would be completely out of character for him, but I'd like to hear him brag to everyone else that he's "hittin dat." Not in a chauvinistic way, of course, just...proud to have the most bad ass woman on his arm, you know?

This probably stems from my deep desire to just rub it in Alenko's face. A quip about it from Garrus to Kaidan just seems far too cruel, though. "Like fresh snow, Kaidan. Fresh. Snow."

...hot and sexy shirtless-for-science fight ensues.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to make an ME1 playthrough romancing Kaiden just so I can see the eventual confrontation about Garrus and for the sheer pleasure of cheating on him muahahaha.

Oh I would looooove to see a clash of egos/honor/testosterone over Shep. I think the fact that she's the complete opposite of fair damsel to be dueled over makes it even better. Sadly I can see Bioware wimping out on any LI-confrontations and having Kaiden just have "moved on" enough to be like "oh...I see...well I can't say I expected *Garrus* but, well, I certainly respect his abilities; if it had to be somebody, Commander, I guess I can live with that." =\\\\\\\\

I dunno.  A part of me can imagine Kaidan taking a swing at him for stealing his woman.

yeah, I was saying more that I'm not getting my hopes up for Bioware to actually include anything that exciting.

[Madolin]

All the art has been posted in the last couple of days, in this thread, has been seriously melting my brain. You guys are amazing. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware started scouting you guys for the Art department, that's how good you guys are.


I am right up there with aznsoisauce , for a " ...hot and sexy shirtless-for-science fight ensues." Come on, there really isn't anything better then two guys(or girls if you prefer) fighting over you. Especially when one of them is Garrus. Oh, the humor in all of this. It won't happen, but we can dream and write awful fanfiction intstead, (or in my case, draw crappy pictures XD)

Oh and Prolefeed , great post, gave me some serious food for thought. One thing though, Garrus recently did say he doesn't make a very good turian, so maybe he'll break the social stigma and tell his Shepard he some deep feelings for her..... at least i hope he does.

Ach, maybe we are all delusional and he' just a big Turian space ho. XD (of course, i'm just joking around)

Modifié par Madolin, 16 février 2010 - 04:00 .

[AngryP1xel]

Madolin wrote...
 It won't happen, but we can dream and write awful fanfiction intstead, (or in my case, draw crappy pictures XD)

Don't sell yourself short Madolin.  I've been enjoying your art since you started Darth Mad on kfm.

Now I sound like an internet stalker.

[siltsonata]

Gerse1 wrote...

AngryP1xel wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

This would be completely out of character for him, but I'd like to hear him brag to everyone else that he's "hittin dat." Not in a chauvinistic way, of course, just...proud to have the most bad ass woman on his arm, you know?

This probably stems from my deep desire to just rub it in Alenko's face. A quip about it from Garrus to Kaidan just seems far too cruel, though. "Like fresh snow, Kaidan. Fresh. Snow."

...hot and sexy shirtless-for-science fight ensues.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to make an ME1 playthrough romancing Kaiden just so I can see the eventual confrontation about Garrus and for the sheer pleasure of cheating on him muahahaha.

Oh I would looooove to see a clash of egos/honor/testosterone over Shep. I think the fact that she's the complete opposite of fair damsel to be dueled over makes it even better. Sadly I can see Bioware wimping out on any LI-confrontations and having Kaiden just have "moved on" enough to be like "oh...I see...well I can't say I expected *Garrus* but, well, I certainly respect his abilities; if it had to be somebody, Commander, I guess I can live with that." =\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

I dunno.  A part of me can imagine Kaidan taking a swing at him for stealing his woman.

yeah, I was saying more that I'm not getting my hopes up for Bioware to actually include anything that exciting.

Me neither, but it would be awesome.  Still, Shepard ain't no damsel in distress, so if it happened I would DEMAND  a renegade interrupt that lets me punch out both of them, and then tell them to calm the hell down if they get in a fight.  My shep does not tolerate that kind of bullcrap. Paragons can pull them apart, forcefully but no punching. Everyone wins.

[AgentMulder5]

Hey guys. I just got finished reading an MSNBC article about romance in Bioware's latest games. It's actually very well researched and written, and comes with a poll on who you would like to romance most. Garrus is rather low in the poll, but the Talispammers have launched her into the lead. I figured, we can do that too right? So go for it.

http://technology-sc...ost-like-to-woo

[Gerse1]

omg...ok this is off topic but it's just too funny, got it from the "tali's face" thread which, if you haven't checked it out, is absolutely hilarious

EDIT: fix link

Modifié par Gerse1, 16 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[Annora]

All the stuff posted has been phenomenal. Aris', your picture is coming together beautifully. I also liked the food for thought on genetic engineering.

[siltsonata]

AgentMulder5 wrote...

Hey guys. I just got finished reading an MSNBC article about romance in Bioware's latest games. It's actually very well researched and written, and comes with a poll on who you would like to romance most. Garrus is rather low in the poll, but the Talispammers have launched her into the lead. I figured, we can do that too right? So go for it.

http://technology-sc...ost-like-to-woo

...I know it's not a competition, but seeing Garrus so low makes my heart sad.  Hop to it, GLaA thread!

EDIT: @Gerse That...was awesome. 

 And it's not off-topic! Because it can apply to the Garrus naysayers!  If you think Garrus isn't hot, you just need to pour some more stuff into the thing the stuff goes in!!!

Modifié par siltsonata, 16 février 2010 - 04:43 .

[Saboten]

 I'm not sure if this was posted yet but it sure made my day. Re: action figures:

Although no images or prototypes were shown, DC Unlimited announced that the second series of Mass Effect will be released in December and will include Miranda, Legion, Mordin and Garrus.

From here.

Modifié par Saboten, 16 février 2010 - 04:46 .

[LOLandStuff]

@ siltsonata

Besides Garrus and Zevran there are no other options and most are guys playing games. I don't even need to start with Tali who everyone is curious about what's under the mask and Miranda with the upgrades.