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[Pannamaslo]

Just to add to songs. This piece just felt right. I don't know why - it's dark, but also sexy and very intense.

Metallica - Loverman www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 16 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Tootles FTW]

LadyLuminary wrote...

I've been listening to "J-zz In My Pants" way too much. How else could this little ditty appear?

"Last week, I was sniping mercs.
As I recall they were Eclipse mercs.
Dodging bullets all over the place
Checked my scope and saw your face and I
****ED IN MY PANTS"

You win at life. 

[Annora]

Turian codex entry overload!

Turians: Biology

The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic exoskeleton to protect themselves. Their reflective plate-like skin makes turians less susceptible to long-term, low-level radiation exposure, but they do not possess any sort of natural armor. A turian's thick skin does not stop projectiles and directed energy bolts.

Although life on Palaven is carbon-based and oxygen-breathing, it is built on dextro-amino acids. This places turians in a distinct minority on the galactic stage; the quarians are the only other known sapient dextro-protein race. The food of humans, asari, or salarians (who evolved in levo-amino acid-based biospheres), will at best pass through turian systems without providing any nutrition. At worst, it will trigger an allergic reaction that can be fatal if not immediately treated.

--I took this to mean that only some turians are allergic to levo-amino based proteins. Like a human with a nut/shellfish allergy, while it can be fatal, it's definitely not the norm.--

Turians: Culture

While turians are individuals with personal desires, their instinct is to equate the self with the group, and set aside personal desires for the good of all.

Turians are taught to have a strong sense of personal accountability, the 'turian honour' that other races find so remarkable. Turians are taught to own every decision they make, good or ill. The worst sin they can make in the eyes of their people is to lie about their own actions. Turians who murder will try to get away with it, but if directly questioned, most will confess to the crime.

Turians have a strong inclination toward public service and self-sacrifice, so they tend to be poor entrepreneurs. To compensate, they accepted the mercantile volus as a client race, offering protection in exchange for their fiscal expertise.

The turian military is the center of their society. It is not just an armed force; it is an all-encompassing public works organization. The military police are also the civic police. The fire brigades serve the civilian population as well as military facilities. The corps of engineers builds and maintains spaceports, schools, water purification plants, and power stations. The merchant marine ensures that all worlds get needed resources.

--I can just imagine a child-Garrus trying to get away with breaking his mom's vase, and Papa Vakarian punishing him harshly to teach him that lying is a sin against their entire race.--

Turians: Government

The turian government is a hierarchical meritocracy. While it has great potential for misuse, this is tempered by the civic duty and personal responsibility turians learn in childhood.

Turians have 27 citizenship tiers, beginning with civilians (client races and children). The initial period of military service is the second tier. Formal citizenship is conferred at the third tier, after boot camp. For client races,  citizenship is granted after the individual musters out. Higher-ranked citizens are expected to lead and protect subordinates. Lower-ranked citizens are expected to obey and support superiors. Promotion to another tier of citizenship is based on the personal assessments of one's superiors and co-rankers.

Throughout their lives, turians ascend to higher tiers and are occasionally demoted to lower ones. The stigma associated with demotion lies not on the individual, but on those who promoted him when he wasn't ready for additional responsibility. This curbs the tendency to promote individuals into positions beyond their capabilities.

Settling into a role and rank is not considered stagnation. Turians value knowing one's own limitations more than being ambitious.

At the top are the Primarchs, who each rule a colonization cluster. The Primarchs vote on matters of national import. They otherwise maintain a hands-off policy, trusting the citizens on each level below them to do their jobs competently.

Turians enjoy broad freedoms. So long as one completes his duties and does not prevent others from completing theirs, nothing is forbidden. For example, there are no laws against recreational drug use, but if someone is unable to complete his duties due to drug use, his superiors step in. Judicial proceedings are "interventions." Peers express their concern and try to convince the offender to change. If rehabilitation fails, turians have no qualms about sentencing dangerous individuals to life at hard labour for the state.

--I think we should adopt this into our own society.--

Turians: Military Doctrine

Although they lack the brutality of the krogan, the skill of the asari, and the virtuosity of the humans, the turian military has formidable discipline. Officers and NCOs are "lifers" with years of field experience. Enlisted personnel are thoroughly trained and stay calm under fire. Turian units don't break. Even if their entire line collapses, they fall back in order, setting ambushes as they go. A popular saying holds: "You will only see a turian's back once he's dead."

Boot camp begins on the fifteenth birthday. Soldiers receive a year of training before being assigned to a field unit; officers train for even longer. Most serve until the age of 30, at which point they become one of the Reserves. Even if they suffer injuries preventing frontline service, most do support work behind the lines.

Biotics are uncommon. While admired for their exacting skills, biotics' motives are not always fully trusted by the common soldier. The turians prefer to assign their biotics to specialist teams called Cabals.

Command and control is decentralized and flexible. Individual squads can call for artillery and air support. They make extensive use of combat drones for light duties and practice combined arms: infantry operates with armor, supported by overhead gunships. Strategically, they are methodical and patient and dislike risky operations.

Tradition is important. Each legion has a full-time staff of historians who chronicle its battle honours in detail. The oldest have records dating back to the turian Iron Age. If a legion is destroyed in battle, it is reconstituted rather than replaced.

The turians recruit auxiliary units from conquered or absorbed minor races. Auxiliaries are generally light infantry or armored cavalry units that screen and support the main turian formations. At the conclusion of their service in the Auxiliaries, recruits are granted turian citizenship.

--I totally want a turian green card.--

Turians: Religion

Although turians have a strict moral code, their belief in individual responsibility means that the concepts of good and evil are simply the individual's choice between egotism and altruism in any given decision. They have no concept of 'good' deities that encourage noble behaviour, or 'evil' ones that tempt individuals to misdeeds.

Turians believe that groups and areas have 'spirits' that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honour and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.

These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can insipre the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested might appeal to the spirit of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honour of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari 'siarist' philosophy. Since opening dialogue with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

--Their philosophies on spirits coincide with my own beliefs in many ways, I was pleased to see this the first time I read it in-game.--

Turians: The Unification War

At about the time the salarians and asari were forming the Council, the turians were embroiled in a bitter civil war. The Unification War, as it was later named, began with hostilities between the colonies furthest from the turian homeworld, Palaven.

These colonies were run by local chieftains, many of whom had distanced themselves from the Hierarchy. Without the galvanizing influence of the government, these colonies became increasingly isolated and xenophobic. Colonists began wearing emblems or facial markings to differentiate themselves from members of other colonies, an open hostilities became common.

When war finally broke out, the Hierarchy maintained strict diplomacy and refused to get involved. After several years of fighting, less than a dozen factions remained and the Hierarchy finally intervened. By this time, the chieftains were too weak to resist; they were forced to put an end to the fighting and renew their allegiance to the Hierarchy.

Though peace was restored, it took several decades for this animosity between colonists to fade completely. To this day, most turians still wear the facial markings of their home colonies. As a point of interest, the turian term 'barefaced' refers to one who is beguling or not to be trusted. It is also a slang term for politicians.

--Funny, we just call our politicians evil.--

Modifié par Anastassia, 16 février 2010 - 09:04 .

[Pannamaslo]

Anastassia wrote...

Turian codex entry overload!

Turians: Biology

The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic exoskeleton to protect themselves. Their reflective plate-like skin makes turians less susceptible to long-term, low-level radiation exposure, but they do not possess any sort of natural armor. A turian's thick skin does not stop projectiles and directed energy bolts.

Although life on Palaven is carbon-based and oxygen-breathing, it is built on dextro-amino acids. This places turians in a distinct minority on the galactic stage; the quarians are the only other known sapient dextro-protein race. The food of humans, asari, or salarians (who evolved in levo-amino acid-based biospheres), will at best pass through turian systems without providing any nutrition. At worst, it will trigger an allergic reaction that can be fatal if not immediately treated.

--I took this to mean that only some turians are allergic to levo-amino based proteins. Like a human with a nut/shellfish allergy, while it can be fatal, it's definitely not the norm.--

Woo. Look! They removed entry from the ME1 codex about Turians appearance being avian to humans.

[Sialater]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Also, great points about whether Turians acknowledge love...but really, when I see a sentient, reasoning life form it's hard for me to wrap my brain around them not being able to comprehend a relatively primal emotion.  If a species procreates then some form of love/lust must exist, no?  Unless you're the borg, and then I don't wanna know... 
But turians simply don't strike me as an emotionally restrained culture; I understand the theory behind the Hierarchy, but I don't think the self-sacrifice of one's emotions is included in that ideal.  And as we all know, Garrus is nothing if not led by his emotions - his heart and his rage are kept on his well-armored sleeve.

Edit: I don't know if this was mentioned (I have several pages to catch up on) but you also hear at least two mentions of turians in ME2 talking about their "mate".  The one I can remember off the top of my head is at Omega where he mentions something along the lines of "I have a mate and I have a ship, and I only brought one of them with me".  I took mate, basically, to equate as the turian version of wife/husband. 

I'd guess they have romantic love, too.  But, as Shepard hints at when flirting with Kaiden in the Wards in ME1, humans like to think they invented it.  However, if they do have it, it's possible it's supposed to be second to God and Country, so to speak.  Since Garrus already threw God and County out of the airlock, I'm not sure he'd care.

It's also possible that Garrus and the few we've seen in relationships (like the Turian trying to convince the Quarian to give him a chance in Eternity on Illium?) are just as much an odd man out as our favorite sniper.

[Annora]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Just to add to songs. This piece just felt right. I don't know why - it's dark, but also sexy and very intense.

Metallica - Loverman www.youtube.com/watch

Awesome. This is the song I'm currently addicted to.

[Tootles FTW]

If this hasn't been posted, somebody posted a video where you turn down Garrus during the romance scene. 

[Pannamaslo]

Anastassia wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Just to add to songs. This piece just felt right. I don't know why - it's dark, but also sexy and very intense.

Metallica - Loverman www.youtube.com/watch

Awesome. This is the song I'm currently addicted to.

I sense we share some musical tastes.

[Annora]

Tootles FTW wrote...

If this hasn't been posted, somebody posted a video where you turn down Garrus during the romance scene. 

Gah, noooo.

[Pannamaslo]

Tootles FTW wrote...

If this hasn't been posted, somebody posted a video where you turn down Garrus during the romance scene.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

I'll just quote a comment from under the movie.

"YOU HEARTLESS ANIMAL



;_;
"

I think this is one of the very little game scenes that made me truly sad. Though I turned him down once out of curiosity. Not pleasent. BW did gooood. Again.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 16 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[Von Verrikan]

SO GUYS

What happens when you DON'T recruit Garrus in ME1? What? That's an option? Why yes that is an option. It is rare and nearly nobody took it, but you can turn him down..

So that means.. What of arcangel? All our history with him? All the dialog options relating to our past? It would stand to reason that anyone who didnt recruit him in ME1 would be in store for a totally different Garrus in ME2.

All I need to know now is, who would be willing to try this out? Hey it's a way of potentially getting Garrus lines that nobody else has ever heard, right? So why not!

[Pannamaslo]

Von Verrikan wrote...

SO GUYS

What happens when you DON'T recruit Garrus in ME1? What? That's an option? Why yes that is an option. It is rare and nearly nobody took it, but you can turn him down..

So that means.. What of arcangel? All our history with him? All the dialog options relating to our past? It would stand to reason that anyone who didnt recruit him in ME1 would be in store for a totally different Garrus in ME2.

All I need to know now is, who would be willing to try this out? Hey it's a way of potentially getting Garrus lines that nobody else has ever heard, right? So why not!

Nothing happens. He just behaves like usually, as if Shep turned him renegade. I think devs just didn't include "go away filthy Turian" in ME2.

[Milady495a]

SavageLycan wrote...

I actually can't remember the last time I set up an xbox music play list... I don't think I even have any music on my xbox right now!

I totally need to put together a playlist of songs that make me think of Garrus.

Hmm... which kind of playlist will it be? 

My thoughts: I kind of locate him as a techno/trance sort of guy. In fact, I've developed my own story about this: (Mind: Renegadish Shep) Shepard, pre-Garrus (in ME1), would have committed herself to military rankings and social strata, although she was constrained the same way Garrus was, until promoted to spectre: finally, she could do things her way, plus legally! All these hindrances prior to being a spectre will be removed, but she'll be reluctant at first and enticed after finally noticing all the freedom she possesses. What does this have to do with music? We'll, in my game, I like to level influences between Garrus and Shepard, thus making him give something valuable to the development of Shepard. Among other things: music. I'd totally see Garrus listening to some trance beat to chill down, or go into drum&bass to relieve tension. After he introduced her to his tastes, Shepard would take it to another extent. 


*some random battle inside a building, chasing convicts. Wrex, Garrus and Shepard are hidden behind some crates, strategically placed over the room, coming out to take a few shots. Garrus tries to engage communication via headset and congratulate our commander for her fine shooting, quite exceptional this time.*

Garrus: Nice sho- Shepard? *some hardcore music played through the comm, Shepard absolutely concentrated on the battle and ignoring her surroundings, taking down enemies faster than usual* Do you receive me, Commander!? *tries to impose upon the beat*
Shepard: Affirmative! This is one hell of a song, Officer Vakarian! *recklessly finishes off a pair of mercs as Wrex tackles a escaping one*
Garrus: Yeah, uh, it wasn't supposed to be played in the middle of a combat zone, but I'm glad you liked it, Shepard *last line is delivered in a softer tone, almost a palpable pride*

And, of course, ME2-Garrus would have clung on to the music as if it were some kind of redemption, even playing it "ala Shepard", while fighting or doing calibrations . I picture their reunion, specifically the reaction of other squad-members to it, the following way:

Miranda: What was all that about? *after noticing the camaraderie between the two* 
Shepard: He used to be my right hand during the Saren's mission. *sets the comm to deliver a message to Garrus as her team takes position in the stairway* Hey, Garrus, do you still have that music we used to listen to? How I miss it, man. 
Garrus: Sure *smiles to no one, his gaze fixed in the rifle's sight. Uploads some old songs to Shepard's omnitool from his own*
Shepard: Play a nice one to warm me up. Cheesy, if possible.
Garrus: How cheesy, commander? I prefer those that are enough to make you kill several man at once. *selects a song for the occasion, knowing Shepard's preferences, and transmits it through the comm*
Miranda: Okey, you'll have to explain this to me, Shepard. I fell behind.
Shepard: Well, besides from being my right hand, he also picks out music awesomely. We need him on the ship.



I hope this isn't too much of a wall of text 

Modifié par Milady495a, 16 février 2010 - 09:33 .

[Von Verrikan]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

SO GUYS

What happens when you DON'T recruit Garrus in ME1? What? That's an option? Why yes that is an option. It is rare and nearly nobody took it, but you can turn him down..

So that means.. What of arcangel? All our history with him? All the dialog options relating to our past? It would stand to reason that anyone who didnt recruit him in ME1 would be in store for a totally different Garrus in ME2.

All I need to know now is, who would be willing to try this out? Hey it's a way of potentially getting Garrus lines that nobody else has ever heard, right? So why not!

Nothing happens. He just behaves like usually, as if Shep turned him renegade. I think devs just didn't include "go away filthy Turian" in ME2.

Really? So all that history we have with him as a result of our actions in ME1 ammounts to pretty much nothing? Wow..

[Xalena]

Cerrydd wrote...

SavageLycan wrote...

I totally need to put together a playlist of songs that make me think of Garrus.

Right now, pretty much every song I hear reminds me of Garrus. Maybe it's because he's on my mind all day long.

-edit-
Momma Sed by Puscifer. But maybe it's just because of the rifle in the video XD. And of course: the bottle of wine!

Omg this song is pure WIN )) + add squidbunny's picture    :happy: !

[Pannamaslo]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

SO GUYS

What happens when you DON'T recruit Garrus in ME1? What? That's an option? Why yes that is an option. It is rare and nearly nobody took it, but you can turn him down..

So that means.. What of arcangel? All our history with him? All the dialog options relating to our past? It would stand to reason that anyone who didnt recruit him in ME1 would be in store for a totally different Garrus in ME2.

All I need to know now is, who would be willing to try this out? Hey it's a way of potentially getting Garrus lines that nobody else has ever heard, right? So why not!

Nothing happens. He just behaves like usually, as if Shep turned him renegade. I think devs just didn't include "go away filthy Turian" in ME2.

Really? So all that history we have with him as a result of our actions in ME1 ammounts to pretty much nothing? Wow..

Yes. Or they just assumed that majority of players had a whole squad. TBH It didn't cross my mind to leave Wrex or Garrus. It's like cutting part of a game.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 16 février 2010 - 09:53 .

[Annora]

Cerrydd wrote...
Momma Sed by Puscifer. But maybe it's just because of the rifle in the video XD. And of course: the bottle of wine!

I've grown up worshipping Maynard, love this song. I missed out on seeing Puscifer live last year, and I regret it.

[Reptilian Rob]

This is the greatest thread of all time, on any site, ever.



Garrus and Thane are my ME BFFs, always a good combo those two.

[Tootles FTW]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This is the greatest thread of all time, on any site, ever.

Garrus and Thane are my ME BFFs, always a good combo those two.

I love having those two in my party.

Thane is also a fantastic LI, but Garrus's sense of humor wins over Thane's chivalry.    Luckily, that's what multiple playthroughs are for!

[Reptilian Rob]

Actually, on second thought, this is a very creepy thread.

In a good way.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 16 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[Sialater]

They seem to talk back and forth more than anyone else...

[LOLandStuff]

Shepard: And then he says “Remember Ilos? Because I

certainly do. I thought we had something special.”

Garrus: See? That’s why you shouldn’t date humans, even if you’re one.

Especially Kaidan!

Shepard: And then I had to explain to him how I was dead for

2 years and Cerberus rebuilt me then how we had to go and save the galaxy.

Garrus: Not to mention that you already saved the Citadel at

the cost of humans lives. How can he be such a douche?



Garrus: You deserve somebody who respects you. Somebody who

will never betray you and always be by your side.

Shepard: Oh, I think I’m just going to stop saving the

galaxy for a while.

Garrus: No, Don’t do that! Don’t let some idiot discourage

you.

Shepard: It’s always the same thing. “Reapers? Oh yes, those

imaginary cthulhu set on destroying all life.”

Garrus: You’ll find someone out there who cares about you

for who you are. Someone who actually enjoys all the mayhem and killing, even.



Garrus: If you have nothing better to do, maybe once we get

to Omega we can snipe mercs and bad guys or something!

Shepard: That’s neat, but I’m fine. Nothing can kill me

anyway, especially not moronic outbursts and it’s not like I can stay dead.

Garrus: We could go look for some geth and shoot them. You

know, remembering the old days?

Shepard: Anyway, if there is nothing better to do, we can

always test your reach and my flexibility.

Garrus: And then we can go and…what?

Shepard: It’s been 2 years and we’re both stressed out. So,

why not try it?

Kaidan: I’m right in front of you!

Shepard: Excuse me unimportant person? We’re discussing how

to save the galaxy here?

Garrus: Don’t you have a report to make?

[Annora]

LOLandStuff, you are made of win.

[Sialater]

I do love how you put them ignoring Kaiden in there.