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[AgentMulder5]

Post edited for typos.

[Xalena]

Eradyn wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

If we ever get one of those meet-the-parents scenarios, I'd like to see spacer mom Hannah Shepard's reaction.

Hannah: Whatever happened to that nice boy Kaidan Alenko?
Shepard: He wasn't any good at saving that last shot before popping the heat sink.
*Garrus spit-takes*

OMG...that would be epic if you could choose a dialogue option like that...and if that was Garrus' reaction.  ROFL

enormousmoonboots wrote...

I fiddled with it for a bit
(to get out of 'overhearing' convos quick, overhear something else;
Gamestop salarian is good for that) and figured it names whatever
LI you have in your party (if you have none, it just trails off past
'out on the town...'), whether or not you've actually started their
romance. Still, hearing it for the first time made me go FFFFFFFF

For
the most awkward possible scenario, imagine Femshep is a Spacer.
Military parents, probably fought in First Contact War = oh god do you
think we can just fake our deaths and go fight crime?

Shepard parents vs the Vakarians, Smackdown RAW.  Would be awesome. *nods*

Points for an exasperated femShep and Garrus giving up to go spend some quality "personal time" together while the family works out their differences. *snickers*

NOOooooooooo...sh*t sh*t sh*t!! I am spaceer...lol  I totally forgot on my mommy in game...aaaa I should take Earthborn or Colonist and kill my parentss...Daamn how I like to complicate my life even in game : )))  ex LI Kaiden, and mother Shepard...what drama that will be...omg I am dead Shepard...I should just get killed myself in suicide mision lol...even Sole Survivor title won't help me in this >.<. This is maybe why I like Garrus, we both get in trouble lol...rebels lol

[Eradyn]

rinter_degan wrote...

I suppose I'm cynical. I saw the maleShep/Miranda (she strips), renegade maleShep/Jack (they throw each other around), and femShep/Jacob the ABS MAN (to a lesser degree) as far more sexually charged. Tali pouncing on maleShep pretty much confirms their relationship. Even Thane gets smoochies. Comparatively speaking, Garrus doesn't get nearly as much love, which makes me wonder where Bioware is going with this (did they begrudgingly do this to appease the fangirls?).

The Garrus relationship feels too...up in the air. He's a friend who wouldn't mind blowing off steam with femShepherd, but on the same token, at times it seems like he doesn't have an attraction toward her. (Like he isn't sure what to compliment? Or is that he likes bits of her appearance but can't say it? Not sure.) He definitely a loyal friend who respects femShep, but it doesn't quite feel as complete as the others. Which makes me wonder.

They start off talking like friends with benefits, and then they agree they respect each other too much to take this lightly. But they don't really go any further, which might just be in character for Garrus.

Eradyn, I really really want femShep/Garrus love, but seeing how Bioware handled all the other ones, I'm feeling quite awkward about it.

Edited to cite other LI scenes.

They aren't just "friends with benefits."  Garrus doesn't have a human fetish like that, and it's apparent he cares for her deeply.  He has an attraction to HER, not her humanity...for me, I find that incredibly attractive that a man would care deeply for me because of who I am, not what I look like.  And during the romance scene, I think Garrus finds at least one thing quite attractive about Shepard, physically (and if he didn't, I doubt they'd get far in the process...just sayin'). 

From my perspective, their relationship is one of the most realistically developed and more meaningful relationships.  It's built on a foundation of the most important qualities of any healthy, successful relationship and Garrus IS attracted to Shepard (just not solely to her body).

I think how Bioware handled it is a good sign (granted, I'd like to see a "little" more, don't get me wrong).  It's one of the most realistic relationship archs I've seen from a game and they're taking it seriously and treating it with the respect it deserves.  It's not just blind sex-driven fanservice like some of the others (but BW, if you're reading this, I would totally not fault you for including wall-slamming, passion-fueled fanservice...again, just sayin'...) but is being built on an impressive foundation.  I don't feel awkward about it at all, but then I don't have any doubts as to where the relationship has gone and is going. ^^

Xalena wrote...

NOOooooooooo...sh*t sh*t sh*t!! I am
spaceer...lol  I totally forgot on my mommy in game...aaaa I should
take Earthborn or Colonist and kill my parentss...Daamn how I like to
complicate my life even in game : )))  ex LI Kaiden, and mother
Shepard...what drama that will be...omg I am dead Shepard...I should
just get killed myself in suicide mision lol...even Sole Survivor title
won't help me in this >.<. This is maybe why I like Garrus, we
both get in trouble lol...rebels lol

I'm earthborn, but I'd roll a spacer if I knew such a scene could occur.

Modifié par Eradyn, 03 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[Faerlyte]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Forget the kiss on the cheek. I now want a sexually charged sparring match. *nods* Okay, okay, followed by cuddling and cheek-kissing and hugging.

OH DEAR LORD, THIS. Reminds me of that awkwardly erotic Axe commercial where the girl wrestles the guy into bed.

Faerlyte wrote...
Or...maybe, as in the case with the lack of female designs for most of the alien species, Bioware just doesn't want to have to design turian anatomy underneath the armor/clothes? They do like to cut a few corners. 

The clothes are bulky for a reason.

If we wanted to get real nasty about it, you could argue that those hip bones have a uniquely convenient quality IF YA KNO WHADDA MEAN.

I really wish I could regret writing that last statement.

Doh! Aw crap. lol, I stand embarrassedly corrected. 

Modifié par Faerlyte, 03 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[rinter_degan]

I foresee awkward drama. If you had an ME1 LI and then romanced Tali or Garrus, ME3 should be interesting...

Tali/Liara/Ashley cat fight would be funny. Garrus/Kaidan might be pretty awkward...

Kaidan: "I thought we were friends! Bros before hos!"
Garrus: "Err..."
Kaidan: *weeps*

Eradyn:  Mostly I'm hesitant to get my hopes up.  Given how differently we've interpretted what could happen...I don't know if I like the direction Bioware might take this in.  They could half-ass it or not bring Garrus back at all.   I agree that it's awesome that Garrus doesn't care what femShep looks like...but being a girl, I always like to know my significant other finds me attractive on some level, ergo Garrus unsure of what he likes in femShep is kind of worrisome.  (Ours will be a chaste love...considering we could die from doing each other).  If I wanted that, I'd romance Morinth. 

Modifié par rinter_degan, 03 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[TestiSkills]

My garrus died on the suicide run. I promptly said "NO **** THAT, IT CANT HAPPEN" and reloaded.

[Splinter Cell 108]

So is that what Turians without clothing are supposed to look like? I thought they'd have more muscles.

[aznsoisauce]

TestiSkills wrote...

My garrus died on the suicide run. I promptly said "NO **** THAT, IT CANT HAPPEN" and reloaded.

Did you have him as your tech expert? If you did, your mistake is forgivable. After all, he was always busy calibratin dem gunz so he had to be a good choice...right? Or not. 

[Xalena]

He put him probably as biotic...BIOTICS ARE GODS! Remember that volus...

Modifié par Xalena, 03 février 2010 - 04:37 .

[Eradyn]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

So is that what Turians without clothing are supposed to look like? I thought they'd have more muscles.

That's the ME1 concept art.  Don't know the final design (if there is one) but I think it safe to say that it wouldn't deviate too much from that. Also...turians are regarded as one of the more physically imposing species in the known ME-verse. They are nothing but muscle.  Yum. :3

[Splinter Cell 108]

Eradyn wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

So is that what Turians without clothing are supposed to look like? I thought they'd have more muscles.

That's the ME1 concept art.  Don't know the final design (if there is one) but I think it safe to say that it wouldn't deviate too much from that. Also...turians are regarded as one of the more physically imposing species in the known ME-verse. They are nothing but muscle.  Yum. :3

I hope so, Garrus looks bigger when he's wearing clothing in his romance thingy.

[siltsonata]

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.



Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

[Prolefeed]

rinter_degan wrote...

Just rewatched the video. It seemed pretty clear he had to think about it and that his reason was there was no one he respected more than Shepherd. Which isn't a bad foundation for a relationship, but an odd one. (Just rubs me like "I look up to you b/c you're a hero...I guess I can't say no.")

Not necessarily. I'm not quite, err, "typical" in my tastes in men (evidenced by, you know, my fascination with Garrus), but I really do tend to go for guys based on how much I respect/admire them. Looks, humor, how warm his personality is, yeah, that all plays into it, but if a guy is the kind that's able to walk into a room and just make people listen to him because he's that impressive (or do anything else that inspires "wow") . . . Yeah, that's the guy I'd throw myself at.

I think Garrus definitely goes for the strong, fierce sort of woman. And since Shepard is The Galaxy's Biggest Badass, it's kind of logical that he'd fall for her.

[Eradyn]

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

This.  A million times.

Prolefeed wrote...

Not necessarily. I'm not quite, err,
"typical" in my tastes in men (evidenced by, you know, my fascination
with Garrus), but I really do tend to go for guys based on how much I
respect/admire them. Looks, humor, how warm his personality is, yeah,
that all plays into it, but if a guy is the kind that's able to walk
into a room and just make people listen to him because he's that impressive (or do anything else that inspires "wow") . . . Yeah, that's the guy I'd throw myself at.

I
think Garrus definitely goes for the strong, fierce sort of woman. And
since Shepard is The Galaxy's Biggest Badass, it's kind of logical that
he'd fall for her.

Only another badass would do for our turian. ^^

Modifié par Eradyn, 03 février 2010 - 04:47 .

[Popguin]

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

[Splinter Cell 108]

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

I was going to do that you know but after finding out it could be done the other way I didn't. If you ask me letting him do that would ruin his life. What if he would have found out that Sidonis was forced into doing? What if he would start thinking about what would have happened if he hadn't shot him? He also doesn't want to do it otherwise he wouldn't have stopped for anything. I like Garrus too much to let him ruin his life, he says it himself he's already got too much to worry about. C-Sec, his team, his father and who knows what else. I would've let him shot Sidonis if he really thought it was the right thing. In the end he let him go. I didn't care about Harkin getting beat up, he's a scum bag he deserved it. I didn't like it when he was going to shoot his leg though, thankfully there's the paragon interrupt.

[rinter_degan]

Prolefeed wrote...

rinter_degan wrote...

Just rewatched the video. It seemed pretty clear he had to think about it and that his reason was there was no one he respected more than Shepherd. Which isn't a bad foundation for a relationship, but an odd one. (Just rubs me like "I look up to you b/c you're a hero...I guess I can't say no.")

Not necessarily. I'm not quite, err, "typical" in my tastes in men (evidenced by, you know, my fascination with Garrus), but I really do tend to go for guys based on how much I respect/admire them. Looks, humor, how warm his personality is, yeah, that all plays into it, but if a guy is the kind that's able to walk into a room and just make people listen to him because he's that impressive (or do anything else that inspires "wow") . . . Yeah, that's the guy I'd throw myself at.

I think Garrus definitely goes for the strong, fierce sort of woman. And since Shepard is The Galaxy's Biggest Badass, it's kind of logical that he'd fall for her.

Not disagreeing with that assessment.  I've listed my reasons for being skeptical.  Yeah, being a poweful badass has major sex appeal, but to make a relationship work?  It might take a little more.  My skepticism is mostly because Bioware doesn't give that much of a payoff compared to the other LIs.  Not that I don't want Garrus to be mad in love with my femShep, but the direction it's gone has been different from what I'd expect if they were really into making Garrus a fulltime LI. 

Kaidan was a less whiny Carth.  And he had abs.  Everything else was infinitely forgettable. 

[Eradyn]

Popguin wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

I agree, although I still did what I could to persuade Garrus for previously-mentioned reasons. Either way, the player encourages him to do one thing or the other...but I wasn't about to sit by and do nothing while Garrus is consumed by such a demon...

Not that I begrudge those who let him kill Sidonis...but for me, I just couldn't.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I was going to do that you
know but after finding out it could be done the other way I didn't. If
you ask me letting him do that would ruin his life. What if he would
have found out that Sidonis was forced into doing? What if he would
start thinking about what would have happened if he hadn't shot him? He
also doesn't want to do it otherwise he wouldn't have stopped for
anything. I like Garrus too much to let him ruin his life, he says it
himself he's already got too much to worry about. C-Sec, his team, his
father and who knows what else. I would've let him shot Sidonis if he
really thought it was the right thing. In the end he let him go. I
didn't care about Harkin getting beat up, he's a scum bag he deserved
it. I didn't like it when he was going to shoot his leg though,
thankfully there's the paragon interrupt.

Indeed, ultimately it was up to Garrus, although I still would have felt bad had he continued on with it.  Garrus showed up in the end, however, and overcame the demon.  And afterward, during our conversation, I was so proud of him and glad to see that he hadn't gone over that edge yet. ^^

Modifié par Eradyn, 03 février 2010 - 04:53 .

[siltsonata]

Popguin wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

I pity Sidonis, but he's  wasn't really worth my time.  I worked at sparing him because Garrus is, considering my love for him is...quite substantial. <3

Traitors are scumbags, absolutely, but Sidonis wasn't the issue with me. Again, it was Garrus and how he was handling the situation.

But I'm not condemning anyone.  Like I said, I just find it interesting.  It wasn't a perspective that I ever really considered before popping on the forum.  

[rinter_degan]

Eradyn wrote...

Popguin wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

I agree, although I still did what I could to persuade Garrus for previously-mentioned reasons. Either way, the player encourages him to do one thing or the other...but I wasn't about to sit by and do nothing while Garrus is consumed by such a demon...

Not that I begrudge those who let him kill Sidonis...but for me, I just couldn't.

I took the Paragon risk, mostly because Garrus was so amenable to persuasion in the first game.  If you went all Paragon on him, he decided to return to C-Sec.  If you went Renegade, he thought about joining the Spectres.  Either way, he respected your decisions and influence.  

But I was worried that not moving would make him hate me.  ;_;  

[Eradyn]

rinter_degan wrote...

Not disagreeing with that assessment.  I've listed my reasons for being skeptical.  Yeah, being a poweful badass has major sex appeal, but to make a relationship work?  It might take a little more.  My skepticism is mostly because Bioware doesn't give that much of a payoff compared to the other LIs.  Not that I don't want Garrus to be mad in love with my femShep, but the direction it's gone has been different from what I'd expect if they were really into making Garrus a fulltime LI. 

Kaidan was a less whiny Carth.  And he had abs.  Everything else was infinitely forgettable. 

Then what payoff were you expecting/wanting? I find it interesting how there seems to be two widely different camps regarding this. ^^ Personally, from what I've seen, it looks like they either very deeply care for one another or their in the beginnings of being in love.  It would have to be one or the other because Garrus wouldn't even consider such a relationship without that level.  With the romance, it definitely went beyond "he's just a badass."  The layers to his character were there and pretty evident, and I think BW's setting up a very compelling relationship arch with Garrus.  They're still in the "learning about this brand new dimension of our relationship" thing...on top of being pretty different species.  I thought it was tastefully handled and I think, again, it's building up to a much more concrete (and satisfyingly realistic) resolution.

[aznsoisauce]

siltsonata wrote...

Popguin wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

I pity Sidonis, but he's  wasn't really worth my time.  I worked at sparing him because Garrus is, considering my love for him is...quite substantial. <3

Traitors are scumbags, absolutely, but Sidonis wasn't the issue with me. Again, it was Garrus and how he was handling the situation.

But I'm not condemning anyone.  Like I said, I just find it interesting.  It wasn't a perspective that I ever really considered before popping on the forum.  

You can drag out the situation and let you and Garrus hear Sidonis out. I did and in the end, still let Garrus take the shot. By then, it seemed like they came to terms with things and brought out real closure. Someone has also mentioned (in a different thread?) that is probably more merciful for Garrus to do that one clean shot instead of leaving Sidonis to be sought out by the mercs and let them do who knows what with him.

In any case, even if I had talked Garrus out of it, I personally would have wanted to then shoot Sidonis myself. It may have been healthy for Garrus to forgive him, but I don't have to.

...then again, my Shepard is totally renegade with an HBIC mindset.

[siltsonata]

aznsoisauce wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Popguin wrote...

I let Garrus kill Sidonis because selling out your team of ten just to save your own hide, especially when you signed up for the team knowing what you were getting in to, is a **** move on a grand scale.

I pity Sidonis, but he's  wasn't really worth my time.  I worked at sparing him because Garrus is, considering my love for him is...quite substantial. <3

Traitors are scumbags, absolutely, but Sidonis wasn't the issue with me. Again, it was Garrus and how he was handling the situation.

But I'm not condemning anyone.  Like I said, I just find it interesting.  It wasn't a perspective that I ever really considered before popping on the forum.  

You can drag out the situation and let you and Garrus hear Sidonis out. I did and in the end, still let Garrus take the shot. By then, it seemed like they came to terms with things and brought out real closure. Someone has also mentioned (in a different thread?) that is probably more merciful for Garrus to do that one clean shot instead of leaving Sidonis to be sought out by the mercs and let them do who knows what with him.

In any case, even if I had talked Garrus out of it, I personally would have wanted to then shoot Sidonis myself. It may have been healthy for Garrus to forgive him, but I don't have to.

...then again, my Shepard is totally renegade with an HBIC mindset.

I lol'd. 

[aznsoisauce]

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Popguin wrote...
...

...

You can drag out the situation and let you and Garrus hear Sidonis out. I did and in the end, still let Garrus take the shot. By then, it seemed like they came to terms with things and brought out real closure. Someone has also mentioned (in a different thread?) that is probably more merciful for Garrus to do that one clean shot instead of leaving Sidonis to be sought out by the mercs and let them do who knows what with him.

In any case, even if I had talked Garrus out of it, I personally would have wanted to then shoot Sidonis myself. It may have been healthy for Garrus to forgive him, but I don't have to.

...then again, my Shepard is totally renegade with an HBIC mindset.

I lol'd. 

You're welcome. ;D