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[cedardryad]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Oh and hey all. I had some vague plans to drop into G-chat, but since everyone in my household is Horribly, Horribly Ill today I think I'll just Go Be Sensible with some TheraFlu and a good book. I look forward to catching up on conversations here later on.

I feel you. I've been sick for almost 2 weeks now. Hope you feel better.

As for my video game beaus.

1. Garrus
2.Zevran
3. Alistair

And the ones I couldn't romance but wish I could:

1. Wrex
2. Oghren

[silentstephi]

Garrus is #1, followed by Alistair



Thane has wriggled his drell butt in there as well.... >.>

[anmiro]

I posted this in another Thread, but this seems a more logical place for it. Her you go:

In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.

When Shepard disappears, what does Garrus do? He runs off, becomes a vigilante and recruits a squad. I think its pretty obvious that Garrus would still like to be a Spectre. What would be more vindicating than to have Shepard elevate his friend to the rank of Spectre; a peer rather than a subordinate.

Every time you speak to Garrus throughout the course of ME1, you have a choice to either encourage or discourage is Renegade attitude. I love Garrus and my party in ME2 pretty much always consists of Garrus and Tali. And on the fianl mission Garrus is always the leader of the 2nd team. But, Is anyone else a little disappointed that no matter what choices you make in ME1, they have no impact on Garrus what so ever.

I do love that Garrus, who is carrying all this weight on his shoulders because his whole squad got wiped out, has an opportunity to redeem himself and regain his confidence at the end by leading the 2nd Team during the Suicide Mission. But, this is another example of a missed opportunity for some real and compelling drama. A quick cut scene where Garrus acknowledges the significance of being chosen for leading the 2nd team would have been so worth it.

I guess, what I'm trying to say is the characters of ME1 still have so much room for growth. BioWare, you do not need to introduce any new protagonists. The characters of ME2 are very cool and now that they are established they are perfect for spin off games after ME3 is complete. But please, please stick with the established characters of ME1 for ME3.

Modifié par anmiro, 17 février 2010 - 11:48 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Garrus is number 1 for me. As for the others, probably Tali and Liara.

[Annora]

anmiro wrote...
In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.

Depending on which way you take him, he'll tell you he plans to train as a Spectre (renegade) or go back to C-Sec (paragon).

When Shepard disappears, what does Garrus do? He runs off, becomes a vigilante and recruits a squad. I think its pretty obvious that Garrus would still like to be a Spectre. What would be more vindicating than to have Shepard elevate his friend to the rank of Spectre; a peer rather than a subordinate.

From what we've gathered, Garrus was already off of the Normandy doing whatever it was he said he was going to do. When you recruit him in ME2, he tells you that he was with C-Sec/Spectres for a time, but the bureaucratic crap on the Citadel finally got to him.

In my head, Garrus sees the whitewashing of Shepard after her death. He watched the Council and Systems Alliance deny all of her warnings and pass her off as delusional posthumously. Given how much of an idol Shepard is to Garrus, he wouldn't be one to stay long amidst all that bull**** douchebaggery.

Every time you speak to Garrus throughout the course of ME1, you have a choice to either encourage or discourage is Renegade attitude. I love Garrus and my party in ME2 pretty much always consists of Garrus and Tali. And on the fianl mission Garrus is always the leader of the 2nd team. But, Is anyone else a little disappointed that no matter what choices you make in ME1, they have no impact on Garrus what so ever.

Hmm, it's not entirely true. It's up to you again to choose whether he goes the paragon route or renegade. Does he shoot Sidonis and move on with his life, or does he spare him and let go of his anger? This is a pretty big choice.

I do love that Garrus, who is carrying all this weight on his shoulders because his whole squad got wiped out, has an opportunity to redeem himself and regain his confidence at the end by leading the 2nd Team during the Suicide Mission. But, this is another example of a missed opportunity for some real and compelling drama. A quick cut scene where Garrus acknowledges the significance of being chosen for leading the 2nd team would have been so worth it.

I agree with this.

I guess, what I'm trying to say is the characters of ME1 still have so much room for growth. BioWare, you do not need to introduce any new protagonists. The characters of ME2 are very cool and now that they are established they are perfect for spin off games after ME3 is complete. But please, please stick with the established characters of ME1 for ME3.

I agree with this mostly, but I'd prefer to see some of the ME2 characters return as well. There weren't very many squad members in ME1, I like having a lot of people to harass between missions.

Modifié par Anastassia, 18 février 2010 - 12:02 .

[RiouHotaru]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Yes.  Infinite Yes.  Epic Yes.  Fake orgasm Yes.

[silentstephi]

RiouHotaru wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Yes.  Infinite Yes.  Epic Yes.  Fake orgasm Yes.

Buwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa /dies

[Gerse1]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

pure gold

[Faerlyte]

 

Anastassia wrote...

anmiro wrote...
In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.

Depending on which way you take him, he'll tell you he plans to train as a Spectre (renegade) or go back to C-Sec (paragon).

He'll still apply (or intended to at any rate) for Spectre status if you go the paragon route, but he states his intentions to do things right when he does rather than sacrificing innocent people to get the job done. Then he says something to the effect of if he can't do it the right way, how can he expect the people he's supposed to be protecting to trust him. 

[Gerse1]

anmiro wrote...


I do love that Garrus, who is carrying all this weight on his shoulders because his whole squad got wiped out, has an opportunity to redeem himself and regain his confidence at the end by leading the 2nd Team during the Suicide Mission. But, this is another example of a missed opportunity for some real and compelling drama. A quick cut scene where Garrus acknowledges the significance of being chosen for leading the 2nd team would have been so worth it.

*shame* I can't believe I didn't realize the true significance of him being one of only two fireteam leaders that can get your team through alive before reading your post.  Thanks for enlightening me, lol, I will appreciate picking him for the team SO much more now (I always picked him anyway).  The thing is, I almost didn't pick him first run-through because I was thinking that having his Omega team die was Bioware's hint that we should *not* pick him.  I was analyzing Miranda's words a little *too* literally then I guess.  Well from now on I will always look a it as Shep tacitly telling him she believes in him.

And I could not agree more about nominating Garrus for Spectre status.  In fact that would be a great, non-tragic, happy ending :lol: for his story arc in ME3...

[Gerse1]

Anastassia wrote...

anmiro wrote...
In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.

Depending on which way you take him, he'll tell you he plans to train as a Spectre (renegade) or go back to C-Sec (paragon).

Wait wait wait, he says this in ME2?  I guess I always paragon'd him in ME1 but this is somehow the first I've heard that he tried to go back to Spectre training in some people's games, not C-Sec.  Meh....I don't like that dichotomy.  I play paragon and I don't like to let him kill in cold blood, but that doesn't mean I think he should be a C-Sec man.  To me the book's pretty much closed on whether or not he belongs there -- he would never be happy.  Being a Spectre shouldn't automatically translate from "renegade"...Shepard can be a paragon Spectre, after all.

[anmiro]

Faerlyte wrote...

 

Anastassia wrote...

anmiro wrote...
In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.

Depending on which way you take him, he'll tell you he plans to train as a Spectre (renegade) or go back to C-Sec (paragon).

He'll still apply (or intended to at any rate) for Spectre status if you go the paragon route, but he states his intentions to do things right when he does rather than sacrificing innocent people to get the job done. Then he says something to the effect of if he can't do it the right way, how can he expect the people he's supposed to be protecting to trust him. 

 Does he say that in ME1 or in ME2? Because the point I was trying make is that despite all the conversations in ME1, where you seem to be making some headway with Garrus, they ultimately have no impact on what happens to Garrus in ME2.  So, Whether you coached him as a renegade or paragon in ME1, it makes no difference in ME2.  In ME2 they simply ignore all those conversations and present you with another oppertunity to influence Garrus's personality. 

I mention all this because I'm really hoping that the choices I made in the first two games are actually going reflected in Garrus's personality in the last game.

[tmp7704]

Gerse1 wrote...

Being a Spectre shouldn't automatically translate from "renegade"...Shepard can be a paragon Spectre, after all.

I think it translates because of how in ME1 there's this undertone when you speak with Garrus how his dad sees the Spectres being "above the law" as renegade practice, compared to fully law compliant C-Sec. So if you go Paragon route in the end Garrus tries to live up/with his father's expectationsof staying with C-Sec, while picking renegade route makes him instead decide to pursue the "no red tape" Spectres way.

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[Exile Isan]

Well, Garrus does say in ME2, if you say his squad sounded like just another gang, that they never had any civilian casualities. I only every paragon'd him in ME1 so maybe it's different if you went the renegade route, but that doesn't sound to me like the same guy the said "It shouldn't matter how I do it, as I long do it."

Modifié par Exile Isan, 18 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[Nightfire78]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...
My point is, I'm not sure Turians actually have the human concept of "love." Or, at least, they don't understand it as we do. Many people define love as "one person being the most important thing to you in the world," or something to that effect. A Turian concept of love would probably be something more along the lines of "the individual you most enjoy spending time with."

I'm pretty certain that turians know what love is and are capable of feeling it just as strongly as humans. Their culture may favor duty over love, but that doesn't mean that love doesn't exist. I'd be preeeetty mad if we Garrus fans didn't get anything meaningful and fulfilling out of the romance in ME3 just because he's an alien. He is capable of feeling and conveying just about every human emotion I can think of...happyness, anger, anxiety, surprise, etc. It would be ridiculous if the writers suddenly decided that "love" was out of the question.

Don't get the chance to go online for a day and I end up with 50 things from 50 posts ago to comment on

For me the proof that turians have a concept of love is in the conversations between the asari/turian couple on the Citadel ("I work with ships all day, honey..." "Is this the lifespan talk? I'm not having the lifespan talk!") it just sounds so much like loving old married couple to me (but perhaps I'm damaged) and a little bit the turian/quarian on illium. You really feel for the poor turian trying to get her to realize that he's into her LOL... doubt that's a "duty" thing

As for the Carth/Kaiden/Thane thing... I loved Carth in KotoR. I can't get into Thane to save my life. They both have troubled sons but that's where the similarities end for me... the whole "it was just my body doing stuff" thing bothers me with Thane and I get this "you can be my replacement for my dead wife" thing from him, whereas Carth (though he mentions you have some similarities to his dead wife) never makes her the primary focus of all your conversations in such a way that you think 1. he's not moving on with his life and 2. you're his best bet for a replacement/filler. That being said, I also have to add that all Kaiden had of Carth was the voice. I can't say I "hated" him, he just held no interest for me. He's the only bioware char. (esp. LI) I can think of who's death wouldn't (and, in my playthrough, didn't) bother me. May sound harsh but he just never made it to being "real" for me.

My ranking would be:
1) Alistair
2) Carth
3) Garrus
4) Anomen (well to be fair, Anomen with mod )

In terms of potential, Garrus would be number 1, but I think I need to see where they take it in ME3 since the current romance felt more like a "starter" whereas the others I have the complete romance to compare, if that makes sense.

and finally... (hey I said I couldnt check in all day and have 50 things to go into now )

Tootles FTW wrote...

I just had an amazing thought. Jacob IS the Old Spice commercial dude!

Holy crap! He is! Except the Old Spice dude at least knows he's cheese

The "priiize" line is so horrible I felt like I needed a shower after hearing it, and I only watched it on youtube *shudder*

Modifié par Nightfire78, 18 février 2010 - 12:59 .

[Tootles FTW]

@Anastassia - Thank you for posting about Carth.  As I said, I never played KOTOR (started playing KOTOR2 but it didn't end up working properly on Vista... <_< ) but on the Bioware forums and especially the Thane-threads I hear a lot of anti-Carth sentiment.  He sounds like a swoon-worthy guy to me, though, and I am a proud angst-fangirl.  The only problem I would see is if Thane = Carth rip-off, but they both seem to have very different personalities.

Also, I love Raphael's voice work as Kaidan!

I wish they would do another KOTOR for the 360 so I could see what the fuss is about!

[Tootles FTW]

Eradyn wrote...

"Siha" is the name of "one of the warrior-angels of the goddess Arashu."  He called his wife "Siha" and he mentions how it's rare to find another like that, and so he calls you "Siha" as well.  I also agree with your assessment of why Garrus has such a harsh letdown.  Regardless of whether you are in a romance with him, he is one of your best friends.  He's with you all the way before even his loyalty mission (which really should just be called the "tying up loose ends" mission, because he's already loyal to you) and he's concerned for your wellbeing.  Once you get to that final romance scene with him, after what he does and says and tries...you really would have to be a galactic-sized dickwad to dump him at that stage...so yeah...it's the shock effect of making you realize you did that to a very good friend.

Samara's loyalty mission achievement is summarized as "helped resolve the Justicar's problem", more or less, while all of the others are "gained the loyalty of (insert name here)".  You're not gaining her loyalty because she's already pledged it to you at that point.  I think both Garrus & Tali should have had a similar & unique description that doesn't include gaining loyalty that you already have.

[squidbunny]

Tootles FTW wrote...
I wish they would do another KOTOR for the 360 so I could see what the fuss is about!

Just play the original Xbox KOTOR.  It's one of the [few] games supported by the 360's backwards-compatibility. And you can probably get it for like two cents now.

I'm not a fan of KOTOR II; Obsidian ducked dealing with continuity and the game was glitchy as all hell.

Modifié par squidbunny, 18 février 2010 - 01:27 .

[siltsonata]

 I've seen a lot of Fandom Secrets on Livejournal lately that run along the lines of "I can't believe it but I think I might be in love with Garrus".  Takes me back to the good old days when I was in their shoes.  So in the spirit of that nostalgia:

[DirtyVagrant]

squidbunny wrote...
I'm not a fan of KOTOR II; Obsidian ducked dealing with continuity and the game was glitchy as all hell.

More the fault of LucasArts pressuring Obsidian to release the game for Christmas.

[squidbunny]

Truth.

[siltsonata]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

squidbunny wrote...
I'm not a fan of KOTOR II; Obsidian ducked dealing with continuity and the game was glitchy as all hell.

More the fault of LucasArts pressuring Obsidian to release the game for Christmas.

Indeed.  Incomplete it may have been, but it still had a lot of really positive points that puts it in the rankings as one of my favorite games of all time.  Lots of good themes and some of the most interesting characters I've ever seen in a game.  I hated Kreia, but so help me if I didn't find her fascinating as hell.  Visas too. G0-T0, Hanharr...crap, now I want to play it.

[ThatDancingTurian]

There's nothing more fun than backreading the Garrus thread when I get onto the boards,

Sialater wrote...

Some people have also given their chosen LI an insipid nickname.  Anyone calls Garrus "Gar-Gar" and I'm outta here.

How about "Gar-bear"? ::snerk:: ;D

siltsonata wrote...

The entire conversation in the cab is my favorite Garrus/Shep scene in the whole game. It even beats out all of the romance scenes for me. It's so damn intense, and every line is just hit out of the ballpark by both VAs.

This.

I knew from the start if I could stop him I would, but the clencher for me was the sound of his voice when he said, 'he deserves to die'. That was just... Not Garrus. My heart was breaking.

RE: LI Rankings...

1. Garrus - Uh, duh. Probably the only character I've ever wanted to romance but couldn't and then we got him in the next one! Yaaay. Garrus' only downside is that he's not human, and that's not really a downside at all. Every other LI has their moments where I want to hit them in the face for something or other, despite their coolness, but I can't think of a moment Garrus was not the epitomy of awesome.

2. Alistair - Kaidan needs to take notes. Alistair is sweet, sappy romance done right. Of course, the setting helps. When you're in a fantasy setting, who wouldn't want a knight in shining armor? I like that Alistair doesn't make excuses for being hilariously dim at times. And his lack of suaveness somehow makes him more attractive. Alistair is the perfect imperfection. Plus, it helps that he probably has the best sense of humor of any of the LIs, IMO. I wanted to kick him at the Landsmeet, though. And that ending! I did it without being spoiled, so I took him with me (as I took him everywhere). You can guess how that went.

3. Atton - Oh Atton! Yes, I know he's not BioWare, but had his story been finished, he would have easily passed Alistair and even Garrus would probably have some competition. He's the reason I didn't smash my KOTOR2 discs in fury after that ending. And you have to admit, he had the best opening line of any love interest. Totally set the tone for his character. I actually think he's hotter than Han Solo, ::ducks impending attacks:: ... I think it just has to do with his being all slightly damaged and angsty, I tend to go for that, at least in fictional men. ::points up at her no. 1:: xD; Am I the only one that has MP3s saved of his hidden dialogues? So sad. ;_;

Next would be Sky, Carth, Zevran and Thane mostly on equal ground, then the Disciple who was just okay but kind of like an Alistair beta version without the humor. And Kaidan would be trailing far behind the rest.

I honestly think I'm harder on Thane because I can't help but compare him to Garrus seeing as they're sort of 'in competition' for FemShep's attentions. And to me, that's really an unfair comparison.

Also, I lol'd hard at collar-poppin' Garrus and the 'angry god' motivational poster! xD

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 18 février 2010 - 02:09 .

[DirtyVagrant]

siltsonata wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

squidbunny wrote...
I'm not a fan of KOTOR II; Obsidian ducked dealing with continuity and the game was glitchy as all hell.

More the fault of LucasArts pressuring Obsidian to release the game for Christmas.

Indeed.  Incomplete it may have been, but it still had a lot of really positive points that puts it in the rankings as one of my favorite games of all time.  Lots of good themes and some of the most interesting characters I've ever seen in a game.  I hated Kreia, but so help me if I didn't find her fascinating as hell.  Visas too. G0-T0, Hanharr...crap, now I want to play it.

Agreed, very compelling characters and a lot of potential with the story. I always find the Let's Play from lparchive.org a great read and the points it brings up about the game and plot. Heh, completely with you on Kreia, very easy to dislike but a phenomenally well-written character.

[MarginalBeast]

siltsonata wrote...



I've seen a lot of Fandom Secrets on Livejournal lately that run along the lines of "I can't believe it but I think I might be in love with Garrus". Takes me back to the good old days when I was in their shoes.

Damn you. Now I'm going to go look for them and end up spending hours there.