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#3701
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anmiro wrote...

Faerlyte wrote...

 

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In ME1 all it took was a recommendation from Nihlus to make Shepard a candidate for becoming a Spectre. Was any else expecting Shepard to put Garrus's name forward to the council as a potential Spectre. After all, two Turian Spectres die over the course of ME1, so we know the position is open.


Depending on which way you take him, he'll tell you he plans to train as a Spectre (renegade) or go back to C-Sec (paragon).


He'll still apply (or intended to at any rate) for Spectre status if you go the paragon route, but he states his intentions to do things right when he does rather than sacrificing innocent people to get the job done. Then he says something to the effect of if he can't do it the right way, how can he expect the people he's supposed to be protecting to trust him. 


 Does he say that in ME1 or in ME2? Because the point I was trying make is that despite all the conversations in ME1, where you seem to be making some headway with Garrus, they ultimately have no impact on what happens to Garrus in ME2.  So, Whether you coached him as a renegade or paragon in ME1, it makes no difference in ME2.  In ME2 they simply ignore all those conversations and present you with another oppertunity to influence Garrus's personality. 

I mention all this because I'm really hoping that the choices I made in the first two games are actually going reflected in Garrus's personality in the last game.


That's what he said in ME1. In ME2 he basically says that he got tired of bureaurocratic BS with both C-Sec and the Council (I think he included the Council that is), which is why he ultimately leaves - I can understand this considering after Shepard's "deah" everyone tries to sweep under the rug what Shepard essentially uncovered in the first game, which, for anyone who was there with Shepard (ie Garrus), would be beyond frustrating. I don't blame him for getting fed up with it - I would too.

The way I see it as far as whether or not your actions reflect on him, what you say in each game will decide whether he takes the renegade or paragon route in each situation, so really, whether or not this is a recurring theme with him, he is the most influential of the characters. Now whether Bioware wants to make those decisions actually amount to something in the final installment of the trilogy no one knows, but we'll see.

Sedonis is not an innocent person so one can see Garrus' point of view in this case because it's not the same scenario as in ME1. 

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Aside from probably being angry about everything Shepard did getting denied, he was probably not very happy when Shepard died. Shepard is probably Garrus' best friend and Garrus is probable his/her best friend too. Killing Sidonis however is going too far though. If it was up to me I would have shot him but that wasn't about Shepard it was about Garrus. I feel that if you do let him kill Sidonis then he would always regret that choice later on.

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Tootles FTW wrote...

@Anastassia - Thank you for posting about Carth.  As I said, I never played KOTOR (started playing KOTOR2 but it didn't end up working properly on Vista... <_< ) but on the Bioware forums and especially the Thane-threads I hear a lot of anti-Carth sentiment.  He sounds like a swoon-worthy guy to me, though, and I am a proud angst-fangirl.  The only problem I would see is if Thane = Carth rip-off, but they both seem to have very different personalities.

Also, I love Raphael's voice work as Kaidan!

I wish they would do another KOTOR for the 360 so I could see what the fuss is about!


The original Xbox version works fine on the Xbox 360, I played it on mine just a few months ago. Steam also has the PC version available for download, but I had a hard time getting my old PC version to work properly, so I dunno if Steam fixed the compatibility issues.

He is definitely swoon-worthy, though. I think part of the reason I liked Kaidan so much was because you could have sex with him, and though he wasn't Carth... I could pretend. :innocent:

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In all honesty I didn't feel right killing Sidonis. I felt like crap afterward. I did it so I wouldn't come off as hypocritical. I made Garrus renegade and I told him "Whatever it takes." and for me to back away from it would make me look like all talk. If I can't even walk the walk, what kind of leader am I?

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@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....


lol, at least Gar-bear is better than Gary. I could see one of my Sheps actually using Gar-bear as a pet name. Not in public, of course, and only when she's teasing him, or feeling really snuggly. <3

My favorite term of endearment for Garrus is Angel. There is a PERFECT excuse for it, and I CANNOT resist.

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....

I didn't come up with it, but when I heard it I had the same thought. So very wrong, but so very cute, xD

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Prolefeed wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....


lol, at least Gar-bear is better than Gary. I could see one of my Sheps actually using Gar-bear as a pet name. Not in public, of course, and only when she's teasing him, or feeling really snuggly. <3

My favorite term of endearment for Garrus is Angel. There is a PERFECT excuse for it, and I CANNOT resist.


Yeah, I realllllly wanted Shep to be able to tease him with "Archangel" more than just that first time.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

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@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....

I didn't come up with it, but when I heard it I had the same thought. So very wrong, but so very cute, xD


It's a good one. But I prefer the "G-man." Or, "Garrus Vakarian: Legendary Turian"

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....


Makes me think of Gerber, and then I go :blush: cause baby food is gross.

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Garrus's loyalty mission is one of my favorites because of the intensity. Even during the shoot-em-up portions, which normally seem like gratuitous pew!pew!pew!-ing, I felt a growing anxiety.



The voicework during the entire sequence where you're bunkering down just before reaching Harkin...it was startling and frightening how much Garrus seemed to change in those moments leading up to Sidonis. Bravo to Brandon Keener.

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anmiro wrote...
I do love that Garrus, who is carrying all this weight on his shoulders because his whole squad got wiped out, has an opportunity to redeem himself and regain his confidence at the end by leading the 2nd Team during the Suicide Mission. But, this is another example of a missed opportunity for some real and compelling drama. A quick cut scene where Garrus acknowledges the significance of being chosen for leading the 2nd team would have been so worth it.
 


Would have been awesome if it cut to a scene where Garrus hesitated a bit and said "...Are you sure, Shepard?". Then you could have some kind of a charm/intimidate option in addition to a basic yes/no. Would make up a little bit for his severe lack of dialogue. I felt it was so appropriate how his whole team died, then when he leads the 2nd fire team he takes a bullet too. Kind of like "Well, that's all of us."

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My favorite term of endearment for Garrus is Angel. There is a PERFECT excuse for it, and I CANNOT resist.

Good point! Garrus fans don't really have to come up with cute nicknames because the game already provided one. ;D

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Yeah, I realllllly wanted Shep to be able to tease him with "Archangel" more than just that first time.

Me too! I really, really hope FemShep (or heck, even ManShep) will purposely let that slip a couple of times in ME3, in public, just to tease him.

In a perfect world, picking up Tali would've gone like this:

Shepard: Good to see you again, Tali! You remember Garrus... Though I think he prefers to go by 'Archangel' now.
Tali: "Archangel"? ::contains a snicker::
Garrus: ::facepalm:: I told you that wasn't... It's still Garrus.

... And from then on Tali and Shepard would keep doing that just to annoy him. xD

"Tali, you and Archangel head up the back entrance to the rendezvous point." "Alright. Come on, Archangel!"

EDIT: Gaaaaah, I hate this forum's weird auto-format.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 18 février 2010 - 04:33 .


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Tootles FTW wrote...

Garrus's loyalty mission is one of my favorites because of the intensity. Even during the shoot-em-up portions, which normally seem like gratuitous pew!pew!pew!-ing, I felt a growing anxiety.

The voicework during the entire sequence where you're bunkering down just before reaching Harkin...it was startling and frightening how much Garrus seemed to change in those moments leading up to Sidonis. Bravo to Brandon Keener.


There's a lot of fantastic voice acting in this game, but he really brings it to the table, dude. (Maybe I'm a little biased.  But still, it's great work, can't deny it.)

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Gerse1 wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

@ Aris: "Gar-bear"? Oh no. Oh no no no. But...yesssssss. I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself from using that one forever. I am only so strong. It would only ever be in jest, but still....


lol, at least Gar-bear is better than Gary. I could see one of my Sheps actually using Gar-bear as a pet name. Not in public, of course, and only when she's teasing him, or feeling really snuggly. <3

My favorite term of endearment for Garrus is Angel. There is a PERFECT excuse for it, and I CANNOT resist.


Yeah, I realllllly wanted Shep to be able to tease him with "Archangel" more than just that first time.


Jesus, what is this, highschool? Both of you, find something better to do with your time.

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@Aris, re: Archangel banter.

Work for Bioware.  Please.  FIND A WAY.

Modifié par siltsonata, 18 février 2010 - 04:42 .


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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

In a perfect world, picking up Tali would've gone like this:

Shepard: Good to see you again, Tali! You remember Garrus... Though I think he prefers to go by 'Archangel' now.
Tali: "Archangel"? ::contains a snicker::
Garrus: ::facepalm:: I told you that wasn't... It's still Garrus.


Tali: Garrus! Where did you find him, Shepard? I never thought I'd see him again!
Shepard: Garrus? I don't know who you're talking about, this is Archangel.

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aaniadyen wrote...

Jesus, what is this, highschool? Both of you, find something better to do with your time.

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'Something better to do'? As opposed to the other, more important discussions about pixilated characters in a video game? :P

@siltsonata: I'd try flying over to their offices and standing outside with a big sign that says 'will work on Mass Effect 3 staff for free' if I thought it would work. :P

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[snip]

Misunderstood

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#3720
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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Jesus, what is this, highschool? Both of you, find something better to do with your time.

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'Something better to do'? As opposed to the other, more important discussions about pixilated characters in a video game? :P

@siltsonata: I'd try flying over to their offices and standing outside with a big sign that says 'will work on Mass Effect 3 staff for free' if I thought it would work. :P


If I wanted to take out more than your pride, I would have. Besides, I needed to get you mooving.

And that's two unrecognized ME2 referrences =P
edit:
 www.youtube.com/watch at 5:18. Can't find the garrus one.

Modifié par aaniadyen, 18 février 2010 - 05:01 .


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aaniadyen wrote...

If I wanted to take out more than your pride, I would have. Besides, I needed to get you mooving.

And that's two unrecognized ME2 referrences =P

Not unrecognized, just inappropriately placed.

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ohhh..,.i think the high school thing is something shep tells joker/EDI. i wouldn't know since i rarely choose renegade, especially with joker. you have to be gentle with him =)

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Yeah, it is a RenegadeShep line, but it just came off as kind of jerky to use it in the context of remarking on a perfectly innocent conversation.



Now said to a troll or flame war, it could become comedy. It's all about timing.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Yeah, it is a RenegadeShep line, but it just came off as kind of jerky to use it in the context of remarking on a perfectly innocent conversation.

Now said to a troll or flame war, it could become comedy. It's all about timing.


Yeah, sorry. I was just bored and remembered how awesome that Garrus line was. Wanted to find a way to work it in somehow.

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Fair enough.

On a happier, Garrus-related note.. Someone just posted this in another thread about bringing other characters on the Archangel mission:

Awww, one big happy reunion! <3