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[Xalena]

I am very against of letting Garrus to kill Sidonis. Why? How I remember text about turians, their life is everything about honor and that stuff so Sidonis lost his honor with betraying them, he said he is already dead man and Garrus shooting him in his back just puts him on same level as Sidonis. Shooting someone in his back is just not... right you know especially for someone which main part of life is honor like turians. I wish more that it was face to face fight, I would let him to kill him with bare hands then. That is something what would fit turians. With second option he goes Saren path and Saren left his people. I wouldn't consider Saren as turian anymore b/c of his behaving. That little lost honor he regaines if you make him to shoot himself. He in the end dies like real turian if you go that way. Garrus is turian so he should acts like one. Bigger part of turian life is honor. He should do and make things done honorably.

Modifié par Xalena, 03 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[rinter_degan]

Eradyn wrote...

rinter_degan wrote...

Not disagreeing with that assessment.  I've listed my reasons for being skeptical.  Yeah, being a poweful badass has major sex appeal, but to make a relationship work?  It might take a little more.  My skepticism is mostly because Bioware doesn't give that much of a payoff compared to the other LIs.  Not that I don't want Garrus to be mad in love with my femShep, but the direction it's gone has been different from what I'd expect if they were really into making Garrus a fulltime LI. 

Kaidan was a less whiny Carth.  And he had abs.  Everything else was infinitely forgettable. 

Then what payoff were you expecting/wanting? I find it interesting how there seems to be two widely different camps regarding this. ^^ Personally, from what I've seen, it looks like they either very deeply care for one another or their in the beginnings of being in love.  It would have to be one or the other because Garrus wouldn't even consider such a relationship without that level.  With the romance, it definitely went beyond "he's just a badass."  The layers to his character were there and pretty evident, and I think BW's setting up a very compelling relationship arch with Garrus.  They're still in the "learning about this brand new dimension of our relationship" thing...on top of being pretty different species.  I thought it was tastefully handled and I think, again, it's building up to a much more concrete (and satisfyingly realistic) resolution.

I'm such a girl.  I want more talking, more commitment, meals that we both can eat.  =P  Sex that doesn't equal pain/death.  More sexual tension/flirting.  Less embarrassed Garrus.  It's cute that femShep can tie him knots, but if it stays like that, it's going to be annoying.  (The 2nd conversation between Garrus and Femshep is more what I was looking for, when she leaves and he says "Because I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now."  Or that conversation when they meet on Omega.   Was it me or was that deliciously full of innuendo?) 

I agree there's a lot of reading in between the lines, but the majority of their interaction seems to be: "This could be awesome...if we can get passed the interspecies barriers."  And while they took a step toward it, I didn't see them really getting past the barriers yet.  Cuddling, yes.  Sex, more-than-platonic relationship, not so much.  Plus there's no guarantee Garrus comes back since everyone in your squad could die.  (I know it would ****** of lots of fans, but it's still a possiblity.) 

IF Bioware manages to make the relationship work despite the hurdles, that would awesome and I would happily stand corrected. Unfortunately, Bioware doesn't do endings so well and they have set up a lot of hurdles.  Like: Who was the wine for?  Because he only brought one and Shepherd and Garrus can't eat/drink the same stuff.  I think he brought it for Shepherd, but I think he needed it more. 

[aznsoisauce]

Correction, YOU can't eat and drink the same things as Garrus. Turians can drink and eat our food, it just doesn't do anything for them.

EDIT: Quoting the wiki here "The food of humans, asari, or salarians (who evolved in levo-amino acid-based biospheres), will at best pass through turian systems without providing any nutrition. At worst, it will trigger an allergic reaction that can be fatal if not immediately treated."

Since he bought the wine, it can be assumed it's something you can both drink safely.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 03 février 2010 - 05:21 .

[rinter_degan]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Correction, YOU can't eat and drink the same things as Garrus. Turians can drink and eat our food, it just doesn't do anything for them.

Not arguing, but do you mind pointing me to a source.  I missed that. 

[enormousmoonboots]

I let him kill Sidonis the first time around (since 'warn Sidonis' seemed like a silly option that implied letting him get away, and I wanted the poor guy to get some damn closure--damn you, dialog wheel, you've burned me before!), but talked him down on NG+. Much more satisfying, I think.

IMO, it's better that Garrus recognizes shades of gray, and that what he sees as 'evil' has an actual face with a history, a life, and their own motivations. Kind of reminded me of how when you talk to him about the mercs during his recruitment, he's like 'hell yeah I killed the hell out of that salarian, his boss was totally pissed', but if you talk to the merc boss, he's more furious over the fact that Garrus killed his brother, rather than his lieutenant.

Edit:

rinter_degan wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Correction,
YOU can't eat and drink the same things as Garrus. Turians can drink
and eat our food, it just doesn't do anything for them.

Not arguing, but do you mind pointing me to a source.  I missed that. 

Codex, I believe.
At best, levo-amino food passes through them without being digested or
absorbed at all; at worst, it triggers an allergic reaction. It's
possible that goes both ways, since Mordin says a danger of, ah,
'ingesting' is allergic reaction.

Also, turian guard on Noveria mentions that he likes donuts, so there's at least SOME edible food overlap.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 03 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[greatestjourney]

@Degan, I do think Garrus views it as a serious relationship. Like I said before, he just gets so bummed if you show interest and then back out. I don't think he'd act that way if it was just FWB because, let's face it, Garrus could get any kind of turian tail he wanted. If he was only going to sex her because she wanted it, and she decided "no, let's be friends", he'd probably be more relieved than anything. So I'm not worried about whether something is there - just worried about what will happen in ME3 now. ;p Gimme my space-wedding, Bioware!

@azn, the street goes both ways. They can have the same happen to them. Either species will have reactions ranging from absolutely nothing to death on contact.
e: you edited! My opinion of that is that he probably brought some levo wine so he wouldn't have to try a million different dextros on you.

Modifié par greatestjourney, 03 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Eradyn]

rinter_degan wrote...

I'm such a girl.  I want more talking, more commitment, meals that we both can eat.  =P  Sex that doesn't equal pain/death.  More sexual tension/flirting.  Less embarrassed Garrus.  It's cute that femShep can tie him knots, but if it stays like that, it's going to be annoying.  (The 2nd conversation between Garrus and Femshep is more what I was looking for, when she leaves and he says "Because I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now."  Or that conversation when they meet on Omega.   Was it me or was that deliciously full of innuendo?) 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I would LOVE that, too. I think the "firing algorithms" conversation does show something of what you are looking for, however...that he really isn't just always "embarrassed."  And really, it's more "nervousness" on his part, I think, and it only lasts until he finally gets serious.  When he gets serious, that goes out the window.  And I think almost all these Garrus lines have innuendo to some degree...and it is wonderful. XD

I agree there's a lot of reading in between the lines, but the majority of their interaction seems to be: "This could be awesome...if we can get passed the interspecies barriers."  And while they took a step toward it, I didn't see them really getting past the barriers yet.  Cuddling, yes.  Sex, more-than-platonic relationship, not so much.  Plus there's no guarantee Garrus comes back since everyone in your squad could die.  (I know it would ****** of lots of fans, but it's still a possiblity.) 

I'm 100% positive they got it on and overcame those barriers.  Unfortunately, Garrus' post Collector Base romance dialogue is buggy and doesn't trigger (apparently), so we don't have that resolution that Tali romancers get.  Sex happens and it's already a "more than platonic relationship."  There is NOTHING platonic about what's going on between them when you initiate the romance. XD

Garrus won't return if he dies in ME2 -- Yes.  But that just means that those who chose poorly won't be able to experience his content in ME3 and will thus suffer the "serious" consequences BW alluded to a while back.  Doesn't in any way mean that Garrus won't play a role, just that those unfortunate souls will have a much harder time in the third installment.  I have confidence BW would not pull something so foolish as dumping Garrus after making him an LI...I plain don't see that happening. ^^

IF Bioware manages to make the relationship work despite the hurdles, that would awesome and I would happily stand corrected. Unfortunately, Bioware doesn't do endings so well and they have set up a lot of hurdles.  Like: Who was the wine for?  Because he only brought one and Shepherd and Garrus can't eat/drink the same stuff.  I think he brought it for Shepherd, but I think he needed it more. 

The wine was for both of them.  I assume Garrus has no serious allergic reaction to LAA foods since he would know for himself that he was not allergic (and thus he would bring wine that Shepard could drink).  BW will make the relationship work, unless the player opts out, of that I have no doubt either.

[aznsoisauce]

rinter_degan wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Correction, YOU can't eat and drink the same things as Garrus. Turians can drink and eat our food, it just doesn't do anything for them.

Not arguing, but do you mind pointing me to a source.  I missed that. 

I edited my post to include some kind of reference. But yeah...sorry. Didn't mean for that to come off as an argument.
I just remembered that little tidbit when I was discussing it with a friend the other night. We went from defending the choice of whether or not to save the Collector base to talking about the dietary habits of Mass Effect aliens...

[rinter_degan]

I think Garrus would be terrified of dumping femShep if things went bad. =P When my femShep dumped him, he just said "OK, it's probably for the best" and went right back to calibrating that battery. ;_;



I do think Garrus takes it seriously, I just don't like that the writers didn't give much to indicate which way this was going.

[MarginalBeast]

greatestjourney wrote...

@Degan, I do think Garrus views it as a serious relationship. Like I said before, he just gets so bummed if you show interest and then back out.

Yeah, this. I told him I just wanted to be friends in the final romance scene, just to see what would happen and he looked so disappointed. I felt like such a jerk. He takes it much easier if you break the relationship off early, but then again so do all of the love interests.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 03 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[greatestjourney]

Oh, yeah, I agree. It seems like Tali and Garrus are definitely left more to the imagination. But we've been on the BW boards for two years, so they know by now that we've definitely got some ;p

[Eradyn]

rinter_degan wrote...

I think Garrus would be terrified of dumping femShep if things went bad. =P When my femShep dumped him, he just said "OK, it's probably for the best" and went right back to calibrating that battery. ;_;

I do think Garrus takes it seriously, I just don't like that the writers didn't give much to indicate which way this was going.

I think, early on, he's more "okay" with it, although I get the sense that there's some regret in him about it.  But if you dump him during the final romance scene, he's definitely affected by it...it's...really bad. ( ._.)

[rinter_degan]

Awesome. I shall go break Garrus's heart and then feel really guilty about it for a week.



I know this is the Garrus thread, but I was nice to Thane and he started crying. FTW. Did he see his great aunt Belinda in my fish tank or something?


Edit:  Joke.  Not trashing Thane/FemShep.

Modifié par rinter_degan, 03 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[siltsonata]

 

  (The 2nd conversation between Garrus and Femshep is more what I was looking for, when she leaves and he says "Because I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now."  Or that conversation when they meet on Omega.   Was it me or was that deliciously full of innuendo?)  

"But please, for you, it's just 'Garrus'" OMG EFF YES.  I wasn't the only person who nearly died of squee there, right?

[Eradyn]

rinter_degan wrote...

Awesome. I shall go break Garrus's heart and then feel really guilty about it for a week.



I know this is the Garrus thread, but I was nice to Thane and he started crying. FTW. Did he see his great aunt Belinda in my fish tank or something?


Edit:  Joke.  Not trashing Thane/FemShep.

Thane. *grimaces* I won't go there.

[aznsoisauce]

Hm, now I'm the one missing something. I don't recall anything referring to the street going both ways when it comes to human and turian reactions when it comes to eating each other's food, but I can accept that being the case.



As far as what Mordin says...I got the distinct feeling he was advising YOU not to "ingest." But on that topic...I would imagine that if Garrus were to do any similar kind of activity it would lead to rashes in sad, uncomfortable places. That being said, kissing sounds like it would be quite the adrenaline rush.

[siltsonata]

Eradyn wrote...

rinter_degan wrote...

Awesome. I shall go break Garrus's heart and then feel really guilty about it for a week.



I know this is the Garrus thread, but I was nice to Thane and he started crying. FTW. Did he see his great aunt Belinda in my fish tank or something?


Edit:  Joke.  Not trashing Thane/FemShep.

Thane. *grimaces* I won't go there.

...And now I'm curious.

[Viendel]

Nice work, Eradyn. A very good compilation of everything Garrus.

[aznsoisauce]

siltsonata wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

rinter_degan wrote...

Awesome. I shall go break Garrus's heart and then feel really guilty about it for a week.



I know this is the Garrus thread, but I was nice to Thane and he started crying. FTW. Did he see his great aunt Belinda in my fish tank or something?


Edit:  Joke.  Not trashing Thane/FemShep.

Thane. *grimaces* I won't go there.

...And now I'm curious.

This is a Garrus Love thread, not a Thane Hate thread.

But if we're gonna take that route, I will gladly join in.

[enormousmoonboots]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hm, now I'm the one missing something. I don't recall anything referring to the street going both ways when it comes to human and turian reactions when it comes to eating each other's food, but I can accept that being the case.

As far as what Mordin says...I got the distinct feeling he was advising YOU not to "ingest." But on that topic...I would imagine that if Garrus were to do any similar kind of activity it would lead to rashes in sad, uncomfortable places. That being said, kissing sounds like it would be quite the adrenaline rush.

Oh, I was referring to Mordin telling you not to ingest. There's no evidence that it goes both ways, but since we know both can possibly experience an allergic reaction by ingesting the other's proteins (from the convo with Mordin and codex), and turians have eaten human food with no/minimal negative reaction (donut guard), it's a logical possibility that a human could eat some kind of turian food with no negative side effects. No positive ones, either (would not process nutrients or anything, would simply pass through digestive system, much like gum).

...can you tell I'm at least partially in on these games for the science?

[aznsoisauce]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hm, now I'm the one missing something. I don't recall anything referring to the street going both ways when it comes to human and turian reactions when it comes to eating each other's food, but I can accept that being the case.

As far as what Mordin says...I got the distinct feeling he was advising YOU not to "ingest." But on that topic...I would imagine that if Garrus were to do any similar kind of activity it would lead to rashes in sad, uncomfortable places. That being said, kissing sounds like it would be quite the adrenaline rush.

Oh, I was referring to Mordin telling you not to ingest. There's no evidence that it goes both ways, but since we know both can possibly experience an allergic reaction by ingesting the other's proteins (from the convo with Mordin and codex), and turians have eaten human food with no/minimal negative reaction (donut guard), it's a logical possibility that a human could eat some kind of turian food with no negative side effects. No positive ones, either (would not process nutrients or anything, would simply pass through digestive system, much like gum).

...can you tell I'm at least partially in on these games for the science?

Dude! I know, right?? 

[greatestjourney]

I'm sure if it was a MaleShep and Garrus activity session that Mordin would also advise Garrus not to ingest - but like I've said before, just keep an epipen on hand and go wild anyway. 8D



also, @sonata - me too :3 I'd almost like to call him Archangel to get on his nerves. Or maybe a nickname.

[Eradyn]

aznsoisauce wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

rinter_degan wrote...

Awesome. I shall go break Garrus's heart and then feel really guilty about it for a week.



I know this is the Garrus thread, but I was nice to Thane and he started crying. FTW. Did he see his great aunt Belinda in my fish tank or something?


Edit:  Joke.  Not trashing Thane/FemShep.

Thane. *grimaces* I won't go there.

...And now I'm curious.

This is a Garrus Love thread, not a Thane Hate thread.

But if we're gonna take that route, I will gladly join in.

Let's not.

There is another avenue for things like that, however, and I and others have made liberal use of it. For the record, I don't hate Thane...I actually came to like him, surprisingly enough, but I don't find him attractive in the least...let's just say I have to laugh at what BW did with him and I lend my condolences for it (while acknowledging there are those quite happy with it *shrug*).

For those who've been in the G-Chat, you probably already know my opinion on the matter. XD

[rinter_degan]

Eradyn wrote...

I'm 100% positive they got it on and overcame those barriers.  Unfortunately, Garrus' post Collector Base romance dialogue is buggy and doesn't trigger (apparently), so we don't have that resolution that Tali romancers get.  Sex happens and it's already a "more than platonic relationship."  There is NOTHING platonic about what's going on between them when you initiate the romance. XD

Garrus won't return if he dies in ME2 -- Yes.  But that just means that those who chose poorly won't be able to experience his content in ME3 and will thus suffer the "serious" consequences BW alluded to a while back.  Doesn't in any way mean that Garrus won't play a role, just that those unfortunate souls will have a much harder time in the third installment.  I have confidence BW would not pull something so foolish as dumping Garrus after making him an LI...I plain don't see that happening. ^^

IF Bioware manages to make the relationship work despite the hurdles, that would awesome and I would happily stand corrected. Unfortunately, Bioware doesn't do endings so well and they have set up a lot of hurdles.  Like: Who was the wine for?  Because he only brought one and Shepherd and Garrus can't eat/drink the same stuff.  I think he brought it for Shepherd, but I think he needed it more. 

The wine was for both of them.  I assume Garrus has no serious allergic reaction to LAA foods since he would know for himself that he was not allergic (and thus he would bring wine that Shepard could drink).  BW will make the relationship work, unless the player opts out, of that I have no doubt either.

Sorting the food question would be nice.  Thanks AZN for the tip. I have the novels, I just haven't read them yet.  I'm sure they meant for Garrus/FemShep to make sweet monkey-lizard love, but yeah, wanted more...confirmation?  Like ...how was it?   Buggy dialogue.  Poo.  "That was great/That was interesting/Let's just go kill the Collectors and hope we die and never have to speak of this again."  

Just worried they'll do what they did with Kaidan/Ash/Liara in this one.

Sexy sparring is a tasteful alternative. 

[greatestjourney]

Well, in my game, Kaidan's ashes were used to nourish the local fauna of Virmire.