3846 réponses à ce sujet

[Cerrydd]

aznsoisauce wrote...
As much as I am against Garrus being human, I admit that now I am curious as to what this thread thinks he would look like...

There are only 2 men who push my buttons the right way: Garrus and Johnny Depp. To me, Garrus is just an alien version of Johnny Depp. Cheesy choice maybe, but they both make me go wild.

(no offense to my boyfriend )

[Prolefeed]

I could see Garrus as Viggo Mortenson in Hidalgo. http://www.pollsb.co...ins_hidalgo.jpg



There's the cowboy-ness, the rugged attractiveness, the badassery . . .



Also: Shemar Moore. No real reason, but I could so see Garrus' voice coming out of him. AND his abs are even better than Jacobs! http://blogs.bet.com...08/shemar_0.jpg



Yeah, I can never make the link-things work right.

[SavageLycan]

I simply just can't see Garrus as a human. That level of badassery can only be supported by a turian body. Anything else would just wither away due to his radioactive awesome level.

[Cerrydd]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

If he was just another cute human male, I'd roll my eyes hard and fawn over someone else.

Totally true. I don't like any of the human squad members. I mean, COME ON, we're living in 2185. Dating humans is boring. I would dump my boyfriend faster than Garrus can snipe someone if there were turians [edit: or asari, or krogan, or salarians, or any other alien species] walking on this planet.

Modifié par Cerrydd, 18 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[Gerse1]

I agree. A huge part of the fun is getting to escape the tame, human-dominated lives we all lead =).



As for being attracted to aliens, I think a key difference between them and a comparison with humans being physically attracted to other species on earth (generally frowned upon, which seems to make people carry over those feelings to the idea of union with an alien) is that the turians and others are sapient species. I think you could look at falling for Garrus (Shep, or the player) the same way as falling for anyone who isn't physically attractive to you, but wins you over with their personality and grows more beautiful in your eyes over time. Happens all the time amongst humans; throwing alien physical features into the mix is just a more extreme version.

[squidbunny]

There's also the whole Uncanny Valley thing working against ME's human characters. Riou made a really well-written thread about that a couple days ago that I was in like 95% agreement with.

[OneBadAssMother]

Hey I dunno about this thread to be honest, but I have to admit, my wife has a rather freaky alien-romance thing going on, first Liara (which made me believe more that she was bi), now Garrus lol



Personally though, I have to admit, his mission is one of the most memorable moments of ME2. Heh, good o' Garrus.

[Sialater]

I have a question that a couple friends of mine brought up. (They romanced Thane.) When you're talking to Grunt and he's going on and on about killing turians, I got to get in his face about Garrus (choosing the bottom white response on the dialogue wheel) and tell him to leave Garrus alone. Now, is this just because I was romancing Garrus? They don't remember seeing this choice.

[Cerrydd]

Gerse1 wrote...

I agree. A huge part of the fun is getting to escape the tame, human-dominated lives we all lead =).

As for being attracted to aliens, I think a key difference between them and a comparison with humans being physically attracted to other species on earth (generally frowned upon, which seems to make people carry over those feelings to the idea of union with an alien) is that the turians and others are sapient species. I think you could look at falling for Garrus (Shep, or the player) the same way as falling for anyone who isn't physically attractive to you, but wins you over with their personality and grows more beautiful in your eyes over time. Happens all the time amongst humans; throwing alien physical features into the mix is just a more extreme version.

Exactly. Personality is the thing that can make someone beautiful.

It's not like we're freaks because we like someone who's not human. Garrus (and other sapient aliens) has feelings, he has personality. That's something we can relate to as humans. He just looks different. It's like the ugliest kid in class: first you think "he's not my type", but when you get to know him better you find out he's a great and interesting person, and you're able to develop feelings for him.

It's not weird. It would be weird if someone would ask for a romance option with a varren. That would be the same thing as a human falling in love with a dog. Sure, he barks and growls, but it's not like you're really getting to know him like you would know another human, or, in this case, a turian.

[LOLandStuff]

i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad4/LOLandBBQ/Cal-1.jpg

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 18 février 2010 - 03:58 .

[Gerse1]

LOLandStuff wrote...

i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad4/LOLandBBQ/Cal-1.jpg

hahahahahahahahhahahaha.  that is all.

[Von Verrikan]

Sialater wrote...

I have a question that a couple friends of mine brought up. (They romanced Thane.) When you're talking to Grunt and he's going on and on about killing turians, I got to get in his face about Garrus (choosing the bottom white response on the dialogue wheel) and tell him to leave Garrus alone. Now, is this just because I was romancing Garrus? They don't remember seeing this choice.

Happened to me on my Maleshep. Sadly it's not shep being protective of Garrus in an LI sense :<

Edit: Also that line is what made me stop liking Grunt. Seriously.. I am in love with the Turians. I don't need to hear about how he gets his jollies from ripping apart a Turian. It made me want to shove Grunt into Zaeeds garbage compactor.

Modifié par Von Verrikan, 18 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[Sialater]

Sadly. Just wanted to see why it came up. They probably just didn't notice it.



I did enjoy yelling at the krogan for that, though.

[Nightfire78]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm popping in from my usual abode in the Miranda thread to support Garrus and his reappearance in ME3.

But: I wish he was human.

IMO, there can be no doubt that personality-wise, Garrus is the most attractive male team member. A dependable friend, the only team member you get early and know you can trust with your life, with a passion for justice that sometimes overrides his common sense. He's also cool without flaunting his coolness, and recognizes the sometimes grim realities of life without it turning him into a cynic. All in all, a hero in his own right as of ME2. If Shepard - male or female - had one friend (as opposed to lover, not that this can't go hand-in-hand) in his team, it would probably be Garrus. In my games, my Shepard, Garrus and Miranda make a dream team.

But regarding romance, I can't get over the fact he's not human. As I said in other threads, biological facts can't be changed by wishful thinking, nor should a story attempt to do so without a very good explanation. Unsurprisingly, Turians just haven't evolved to look attractive to humans, and so - they don't.

Having said this, I do - I repeat - support Garrus' return in ME3 and think he's one of the best characters in ME2. One who can appeal to almost everyone, and as the polls show, probably does.

I know there are many people out and about who feel this way, and everyone is not only entitled to their own opinion but also has their own idea of beauty or attractiveness or of things they could or could not deal with on a physically intimate level.

That being said, I wouldn't want Garrus to be human, not just because I actually find turians aesthetically pleasing, but also because I think Garrus being turian is about more than just his appearance. His turian heritage, the deep down feeling of the importance of duty etc. are all part of what makes Garrus Garrus. It's like saying the only difference between a Scott and a French person is language... well it's not. Heritage, cultural identity, the where and why of how you grow up... these all are an important influence on a sentient being (whether they choose to embrace it or reject it or marginalize it).

As such, I think it would be hard to stick Garrus into a human body and work out a background story that would make his character make as much sense and feel as complete as it does with the simple fact that's he's a turian and comes from a certain cultural background. No one would really see the drama of a human saying "screw c-sec and their rules" but for a turian it's not just "I don't like strawberry ice cream so I'm going to go somewhere where I can have chocolate", it's really turning his back on something that has reprocussions for him in his own moral code, in his family etc. It's a much biger deal for him to say "I know I should do this and take pride in it, but I think it's BS and I'm not going to stick around for more of it." than it would necessarily be for a human (unless he's like 10 generations c-sec family or something, but even then it would almost be more human to say "I've got my own life, bye" than to stick it out). Now I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but I think it would be harder to make believable.

Also the fact that Garrus *is* an alien is also a big part of what makes the romance so romantic, in my opinion anyway. It's likely not to be accepted by a lot of people on both sides, it's likely to have a whole set of difficulties to work out (not just the basic physical intimacy ones)... it's definitely not the "easy path" for either of them. For me that makes their feelings for each other that much more powerful. They're willing to try to surmount all these difficulties to be together. Now if that doesn't speak for a deep emotional bond, I don't know what does.

Well, I think this is a long enough wall of text  Please continue about your daily business :innocent:

[Sialater]

Well, making him a non-Westerner would be a good start. Kaiden was Canadian and Jacob was American. The Alliance is beginning to sound like Starfleet which was seemingly taken over by the West as if there were no Eastern countries or Middle Eastern.

[Remaix]

Sialater wrote...

Well, making him a non-Westerner would be a good start. Kaiden was Canadian and Jacob was American. The Alliance is beginning to sound like Starfleet which was seemingly taken over by the West as if there were no Eastern countries or Middle Eastern.

Wait... he was?!
Huh.

[siltsonata]

Gerse1 wrote...
I still don't really get why, with a game this size and the budget they had, there is next to no squad interaction.  I'm not even talking about complicated things like having them walk around the ship or react to how Shepard treats the others (maybe Jack and Miranda being sole exception).  It just seems like a few extra lines of dialogue -- one for each ME1 reunion combination, maybe 2 or 3 more for the LI -- could have really contributed a lot.  Squad interaction was one place I had thought there would be more improvement between ME1 and 2. /disappointed

Yeah...I was reading fanfic a couple of days back where Jack kept calling Garrus "turian" and I was doing the eyerolling thing, thinking "Jack wouldn't keep calling Garrus that. She'd...." and then I had to tilt my head and make the "wait, WUH?" face, because I suddenly realized I have no idea how Jack would address Garrus, because she never does it in the game. Issues like this abound.


Human Garrus:  Of course I'd like for the boundaries in the physical relationship to go away.  Personal opinion: the sex with Garrus is probably not very comfortable nor pleasureable.  He and Shepard will work with it for a good while and they'll probably find a way to make it as bearable as possible, but in the end it's never going to be as comfy or feelgoody as sex with your own species. *shrug*  

But it's Garrus.  The point is, you put up with all of that crap because he's just a really fantastic guy.  I was going to point out the importance his turian culture probably has on his character, but Nightfire summed it up better than I ever could anyway.  For me, part of the romance of the whole situation is the fact that they have these huge barriers to overcome.

I too end up making every human male in the game, and in all bioware games, prettier in my mind.  They just don't always look great on screen.  Remember Atton? (yes yes, not Bioware, I know)  He doesn't really have an attractive face, but I spent so much time loving him (...and, ah, spoiling myself with aimo's fanart...) that I created a new image in my head.

....also, like I've talked about before, I (and I assume a lot of other people, though not all) didn't start out finding turians physically attractive.  But falling in love with Garrus made me more open minded, so that I started finding him physically attractive.  Then those aspects translated over into other turians, so now I'm attracted to turians in general, not always in a romantic sense (though, ah....sometimes, yes), but I just find them aesthetically pleasing.





Side note:  If anyone even touches Grunt, and I will put YOU in the trash compacter.  No idea how, but I got super super maternal about Grunt and now I love him to pieces.  Like, middle-aged mom style.

Wrex: Welcome to Clan Urdnot.
Shepard: Oh my gosh! I'm so proud!  Garrus, quick, get the video camera!
Garrus: ...
Shepard: Take a picture of Grunt with Wrex!
Garrus: ...*sigh*
Grunt: <_< Shepaaaard....
Shepard: THESE ARE THE MEMORIES WE WILL WANT TO TREASURE, YOU GUYS. You'll thank me when you're older and you have these to look back on!

Edit: for forgetting that there is a certain way to say "tilt" that could be considered offensive. 

Modifié par siltsonata, 18 février 2010 - 05:59 .

[Sialater]

Yeah, his parents had property in British Columbia that "matured" into ocean front property. I thought that was an interesting nod to the possibility of the West Coast of North American getting a lot shorter. Maybe LA and San Fran are at the bottom of the Pacific in the 22nd Century. LMAO.

[Remaix]

siltsonata wrote...
Side note:  If anyone even touches Grunt, and I will put YOU in the trash compacter.  No idea how, but I got super super maternal about Grunt and now I love him to pieces.  Like, middle-aged mom style.

Wrex: Welcome to Clan Urdnot.
Shepard: Oh my gosh! I'm so proud!  Garrus, quick, get the video camera!
Garrus: ...
Shepard: Take a picture of Grunt with Wrex!
Garrus: ...*sigh*
Grunt: <_< Shepaaaard....
Shepard: THESE ARE THE MEMORIES WE WILL WANT TO TREASURE, YOU GUYS. You'll thank me when you're older and you have these to look back on!

Haha, I feel the same about Grunt!  He's just... so... adorable. Something about him brings out the mommy in me.

[Sialater]

Also, the company that ran Kaiden's Brain Camp was CANADIX.

[Deviija]

I can't see Garrus physically as human, but I can see his humanity. The aliens in ME are so humanized they're basically humans wearing masks. Perhaps that is done on purpose to make it easier for a wider audience to accept and empathize with.

[Briallen]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unsurprisingly, Turians just haven't evolved to look attractive to humans, and so - they don't.

Wow. That was such a blanket statement I'm practically suffocating over here. Apparently I'm not a human, because I find Garrus (and other turians) all sorts of attractive.

I have to echo what others have said about Garrus' alienness making his romance all the more appealing in both a physical and a cultural sense. As far as the hang-ups over probable sexual difficulties due to physical differences, I may be in the minority here, but I don't find it a problem at all. Would Garrus and Shepard be able to do good ol' penis-in-vagina missionary position sex as easily as a human/human couple? No, probably not. But contrary to what some people seem to think, there can be a lot more to sex than that. Garrus and Shepard are both smart people who have an uncanny knack for going after what they want until they get it. I'm sure it wouldn't be that big of a stretch for them to find something that works for them in the bedroom, even if it's not as easy as "insert tab A into slot B and bang away until finished." 

Besides, as Mordin points out, there are all sorts of oils and such to help with discomfort issues. They would no doubt be fun to use. 

Modifié par Briallen, 18 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[SavageLycan]

Just found this on deviantArt, and didn't see it in the fanart thread, so I'd thought I'd share. Bit of a warning, it is mature. But it's deviantArt so it can't be MATURE mature, so should be fine here. If not, I'll take it down (are my attempts to avoid reprocussions obvious enough for ya? )

Anyway, those of you wish to look at it. You will s**t bricks.... In a good way.

http://nyhgault.devi...ivate-154502345

Modifié par SavageLycan, 18 février 2010 - 05:53 .