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[enormousmoonboots]

aznsoisauce wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Hm, now I'm the one missing something. I don't recall anything referring to the street going both ways when it comes to human and turian reactions when it comes to eating each other's food, but I can accept that being the case.

As far as what Mordin says...I got the distinct feeling he was advising YOU not to "ingest." But on that topic...I would imagine that if Garrus were to do any similar kind of activity it would lead to rashes in sad, uncomfortable places. That being said, kissing sounds like it would be quite the adrenaline rush.

Oh, I was referring to Mordin telling you not to ingest. There's no evidence that it goes both ways, but since we know both can possibly experience an allergic reaction by ingesting the other's proteins (from the convo with Mordin and codex), and turians have eaten human food with no/minimal negative reaction (donut guard), it's a logical possibility that a human could eat some kind of turian food with no negative side effects. No positive ones, either (would not process nutrients or anything, would simply pass through digestive system, much like gum).

...can you tell I'm at least partially in on these games for the science?

Dude! I know, right?? 

First reading the Codex about krogan and seeing it go on about them having characteristics of prey species utterly cemented my love for this series. Logic + thinking about aliens = goddamn win. Sorry, Star Wars, you and your contractors on the Death Star and Endor holocaust are now smalltime.

And I've always enjoyed trying to find ingame explanations for developer oversights; for example, Garrus wears gloves to the romance scene because he doesn't want to end up scratching Shepherd.

[MarginalBeast]

siltsonata wrote...

 

  (The 2nd conversation between Garrus and Femshep is more what I was looking for, when she leaves and he says "Because I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now."  Or that conversation when they meet on Omega.   Was it me or was that deliciously full of innuendo?)  

"But please, for you, it's just 'Garrus'" OMG EFF YES.  I wasn't the only person who nearly died of squee there, right?

Oh trust me. You weren't the only one.

[Eradyn]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

First reading the Codex about krogan and seeing it go on about them having characteristics of prey species utterly cemented my love for this series. Logic + thinking about aliens = goddamn win. Sorry, Star Wars, you and your contractors on the Death Star and Endor holocaust are now smalltime.

And I've always enjoyed trying to find ingame explanations for developer oversights; for example, Garrus wears gloves to the romance scene because he doesn't want to end up scratching Shepherd.

Shepard just hasn't helped him out of his civvies yet. :3

[rinter_degan]

Umanix wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

 

  (The 2nd conversation between Garrus and Femshep is more what I was looking for, when she leaves and he says "Because I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now."  Or that conversation when they meet on Omega.   Was it me or was that deliciously full of innuendo?)  

"But please, for you, it's just 'Garrus'" OMG EFF YES.  I wasn't the only person who nearly died of squee there, right?

Oh trust me. You weren't the only one.

Same here. I just about died when he said he needed to get Shepard moving by shooting her with concussion rounds. Riiiiiight, Garrus. You sure you didn't just want to put a steaming hot round into Shepard's booty?

XD 

I love you.

[Eradyn]

You guys are baaad. XD

[Gar_Logan]

Man, I read this thread because I'm a fan...



....but this is getting just a bit creepy for me....

[EpsilonZem]

MarginalBeast wrote...

"But please, for you, it's just 'Garrus'" OMG EFF YES.  I wasn't the only person who nearly died of squee there, right?

Oh trust me. You weren't the only one.

Shoot, as soon as one of the other mercs had mentioned that Archangel was a Turian, I spent my entire trip across the bridge squee'ing over the possibility of it being Garrus... And THEN I got to have that catch-up convo with him, too. It was perfect. xD

Modifié par EpsilonZem, 03 février 2010 - 06:25 .

[Eradyn]

Gar_Logan wrote...

Man, I read this thread because I'm a fan...

....but this is getting just a bit creepy for me....

*nods* It happens when they're left to their own devices for too long. *pulls out whip* Okay, gals (and guys), let's take it to G-Chat if you want to get wild and crazy. X3

EDIT: But that Garrus line was sooo begging it. XD

Modifié par Eradyn, 03 février 2010 - 06:27 .

[Gar_Logan]

Umanix wrote...
Bask in the creepiness! Let Garrus' hot rounds of JUSTICE find YOUR booty! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

...I'll try to be more serious when Garrus doesn't slap me in the head with so much useable innuendo.

If that could even be true, they'd have let Garrus be a LI for male Shepherds. I don't think he swings that way.

But I'm perfectly fine with the "brothers" (or whatever it'd be called) relationship they have goin on, even if it is incredibly pitiful in length compared to what the femsheps get. (I mean, more would be nice. But...not...in that...direction...)

[enormousmoonboots]

Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
Bask in the creepiness! Let Garrus' hot rounds of JUSTICE find YOUR booty! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

...I'll try to be more serious when Garrus doesn't slap me in the head with so much useable innuendo.

If that could even be true, they'd have let Garrus be a LI for male Shepherds. I don't think he swings that way.

But I'm perfectly fine with the "brothers" (or whatever it'd be called) relationship they have goin on, even if it is incredibly pitiful in length compared to what the femsheps get. (I mean, more would be nice. But...not...in that...direction...)

Actually, turians are the race I'd expect to see the most ******/bisexuality (at least, as far as humans understand it; mapping human sexuality onto alien races is pretty silly, but for the purposes of discussion...) from, considering that 1) they're based off of Romans and 2) turian culture is highly disciplined but greatly emphasizes personal freedoms, so many combinations of love is logical.

[Gar_Logan]

Well, there's that.

I just don't think that's Garrus'...route....

But you bring up good points.

Modifié par Gar_Logan, 03 février 2010 - 06:43 .

[Von Verrikan]

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

Frankly nobody should kill Sidonis. Killing Sidonis does not help Garrus, I cannot stress that enough. Not only does Garrus then live with the memory of his crew dying, but he'd be scarred with the memory of watching his former friend die in his sniper scope. He may tell you he wants to kill him badly at first, but with all that built up rage and guilt, he's not thinking clearly at all... YOU need to help him realize that, or you'll just push him towards a downward emotional spiral.

And those condeming Sidonis - are you serious? He didn't want to do it. He was faced with the choice of live or die, and nobody here and I mean nobody has the right to judge someone in that situation. Was it the right decision? No. Was it wrong? No. He chose to live and not one person has any right to condem that action. What if he's got a family and a kid? What if that kid is just too important to him to leave fatherless? Simply put, don't judge him. Feel sorry for him and let him live with his decision. I doubt many of you here would have taken death over giving up that location.. Like it or not self preservation is a lot more powerful than you think it is.

Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless.

[siltsonata]

Von Verrikan wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

Frankly nobody should kill Sidonis. Killing Sidonis does not help Garrus, I cannot stress that enough. Not only does Garrus then live with the memory of his crew dying, but he'd be scarred with the memory of watching his former friend die in his sniper scope. He may tell you he wants to kill him badly at first, but with all that built up rage and guilt, he's not thinking clearly at all... YOU need to help him realize that, or you'll just push him towards a downward emotional spiral.

And those condeming Sidonis - are you serious? He didn't want to do it. He was faced with the choice of live or die, and nobody here and I mean nobody has the right to judge someone in that situation. Was it the right decision? No. Was it wrong? No. He chose to live and not one person has any right to condem that action. What if he's got a family and a kid? What if that kid is just too important to him to leave fatherless? Simply put, don't judge him. Feel sorry for him and let him live with his decision. I doubt many of you here would have taken death over giving up that location.. Like it or not self preservation is a lot more powerful than you think it is.


Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless.

Mmm though, this game is about tough moral dilemmas.  Garrus seems pretty sure he deserves to die.  Some people playing the game might agree with him, let him take the shot, and for those people it seems to give Garrus some measure of peace.  

Regardless, it's not really about how WE see Sidonis, it's how Garrus sees him.

Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless. 

Awesome.  I won't lie, I'd love to see Sidonis return somehow and prove that he was worth saving.  I think that would help Garrus to know he did the right thing.  Poor guy could use some positive repercussions for once.

Modifié par siltsonata, 03 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[enormousmoonboots]

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.



Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?



(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

[Popguin]

If he has a wife and kid then he has no business signing up to play Batman.

[siltsonata]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

This.  Especially the species thing.  I've seen it brought up several times before in these forums, and I agree: Once you've crossed the species barrier, gender seems a little irrelevant, but...*shrug* 

[Xalena]

Von Verrikan wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

Frankly nobody should kill Sidonis. Killing Sidonis does not help Garrus, I cannot stress that enough. Not only does Garrus then live with the memory of his crew dying, but he'd be scarred with the memory of watching his former friend die in his sniper scope. He may tell you he wants to kill him badly at first, but with all that built up rage and guilt, he's not thinking clearly at all... YOU need to help him realize that, or you'll just push him towards a downward emotional spiral.

And those condeming Sidonis - are you serious? He didn't want to do it. He was faced with the choice of live or die, and nobody here and I mean nobody has the right to judge someone in that situation. Was it the right decision? No. Was it wrong? No. He chose to live and not one person has any right to condem that action. What if he's got a family and a kid? What if that kid is just too important to him to leave fatherless? Simply put, don't judge him. Feel sorry for him and let him live with his decision. I doubt many of you here would have taken death over giving up that location.. Like it or not self preservation is a lot more powerful than you think it is.

Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless.

You are my man/woman ^^

[aznsoisauce]

Von Verrikan wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

Frankly nobody should kill Sidonis. Killing Sidonis does not help Garrus, I cannot stress that enough. Not only does Garrus then live with the memory of his crew dying, but he'd be scarred with the memory of watching his former friend die in his sniper scope. He may tell you he wants to kill him badly at first, but with all that built up rage and guilt, he's not thinking clearly at all... YOU need to help him realize that, or you'll just push him towards a downward emotional spiral.

And those condeming Sidonis - are you serious? He didn't want to do it. He was faced with the choice of live or die, and nobody here and I mean nobody has the right to judge someone in that situation. Was it the right decision? No. Was it wrong? No. He chose to live and not one person has any right to condem that action. What if he's got a family and a kid? What if that kid is just too important to him to leave fatherless? Simply put, don't judge him. Feel sorry for him and let him live with his decision. I doubt many of you here would have taken death over giving up that location.. Like it or not self preservation is a lot more powerful than you think it is.

Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless.

While I like your argument and can say you have great points, I don't agree with it. One can argue that to do what Sidonis did is out of selfishness. You're not doing your family any favors by aiding in the deaths of other people that also potentially have families and/or people that love them.

In addition, outside of Garrus' opinion, there isn't a thing Sidonis can do to make up for sacrificing their team.

I'm not trying to condemn the poor guy to death (though I have done so on one character so far). It's just saying that people that chose to do so are wrong...well, that's just flawed. It's a huge moral choice, imo, and neither side out weighs the other.

Anyway. I intend to paragon my way out of shooting him on this play through I'm currently working on.

[Xalena]

Something just poped in my head...damn why Bioware didn't let us to put our music from disk when we turning on that little music radio in our room. I have soo many good romantic music xD. That would be really good. Because I really didn't like any except maybe that Afterlife music. Imagine that touching with heads then Sheps go to turn music and you can pick your music and then they dancing slowly and then we get fade. Ha! ^^

[Von Verrikan]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

I find it really interesting that there were so many people who let Garrus kill Sidonis because they were afraid of losing his loyalty. Honestly, the idea never even crossed my mind before I was presented with the choice, and at that point I'd seen the cab conversation... no way. I was genuinely frightened and nervous for Garrus when he was beating up Harkin and talking about Sidonis with all that burning hatred in his voice...he was in a pretty dark place.

Don't get me wrong, if I'd kept him from taking the shot and lost loyalty, I'd reload faster than you could spit (muttering and ****ing all the way), but it was more like...I felt that encouraging him to spare Sidonis was the only way to GAIN his loyalty. Because that cold fury isn't really Garrus, like Shepard said in the cab.

Frankly nobody should kill Sidonis. Killing Sidonis does not help Garrus, I cannot stress that enough. Not only does Garrus then live with the memory of his crew dying, but he'd be scarred with the memory of watching his former friend die in his sniper scope. He may tell you he wants to kill him badly at first, but with all that built up rage and guilt, he's not thinking clearly at all... YOU need to help him realize that, or you'll just push him towards a downward emotional spiral.

And those condeming Sidonis - are you serious? He didn't want to do it. He was faced with the choice of live or die, and nobody here and I mean nobody has the right to judge someone in that situation. Was it the right decision? No. Was it wrong? No. He chose to live and not one person has any right to condem that action. What if he's got a family and a kid? What if that kid is just too important to him to leave fatherless? Simply put, don't judge him. Feel sorry for him and let him live with his decision. I doubt many of you here would have taken death over giving up that location.. Like it or not self preservation is a lot more powerful than you think it is.

Besides, did you see what he said? He'll find some way to make it up to Garrus! Very heartfelt, too! I will laugh if he ends up saving Garrus life in ME3 by sacrificing his own, and everyone who picked the 'take the shot' option will be left to suffer for being so careless.

While I like your argument and can say you have great points, I don't agree with it. One can argue that to do what Sidonis did is out of selfishness. You're not doing your family any favors by aiding in the deaths of other people that also potentially have families and/or people that love them.

In addition, outside of Garrus' opinion, there isn't a thing Sidonis can do to make up for sacrificing their team.

I'm not trying to condemn the poor guy to death (though I have done so on one character so far). It's just saying that people that chose to do so are wrong...well, that's just flawed. It's a huge moral choice, imo, and neither side out weighs the other.

Anyway. I intend to paragon my way out of shooting him on this play through I'm currently working on.

In the end you still cannot judge someone who while facing death in the face and ends up choosing poorly. It is very easy to sit there and condemn a man when you're not looking down the barrel of an M8 aimed at your forehead.

No, no side is right in the matter I will agree there. But adding another casualty to Garrus team simply because (like it not) it's a matter of "It will make him feel better" is not justification for that action. Sidonis made a bad call under a most horrible circumstance, and he regrets it fully. Why would you allow the killing of the last surviving member of Garrus old team knowing that? He deserves a chance to atone, no matter how weak and deserving of death you think he is.

He says he will make it up to Garrus somehow. I firmly believe every one of you who chooses to spare him death will be rewarded by having him save Garrus in #3. Mark my words, your decision will most likely come back to haunt you if you don't listen to your heart and you act out of pure instinct.

[Faerlyte]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

Crossing species lines and crossing gender lines are two completely different things. The majority of species on our planet are based off of male and female reproducing, in which case the natural order of things is for males to be attracted to females, and vice versa. It would be so for any species that relies on male and female intercourse. There's a huge difference between orientation and species.

 I'm a straight person and I can tell you flat out that I'm not going to be interested in that kind of a relationship with a female, I don't care what species it is. That's just a fact of life where I'm concerned. It's not an insult in any way, just as someone being gay isn't an insult to me - that's who they are, but it is a natural inborn instinct for me to desire males. Sexual-orientation isn't about appearances - it's about whether they're male or female and which one you're innately attracted to. That's not going to change, regardless of species. 

Love is not confined to the appearance of something. If you can connect with a person, understand them, and respect them, you can love them. And if you love someone deeply enough, it is only natural to want to please them sexually and be intimate with them.  Whether they're turian, salarian, or even krogan changes nothing if all those essential pieces are in place. Another words, I think it's great how many aliens you can romance - the more the merrier. 

Modifié par Faerlyte, 03 février 2010 - 07:56 .

[aznsoisauce]

 No matter your decision with whether or not to kill Sidonis, perhaps it's best to take it as "time heals all things." Or however that addage goes, hahahaha.

As much as I argue over this, I do believe it is more in character for Garrus to not take the shot. If you let that asari scientist from Virmire live and take Garrus with you when you run into her again in ME2, he does say that he's "all for second chances." It's the 3rd ones he's not sure about... (It cracked me up.)