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[Von Verrikan]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

I am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having him at least fall in love with a character of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it with...

[siltsonata]

aznsoisauce wrote...

 No matter your decision with whether or not to kill Sidonis, perhaps it's best to take it as "time heals all things." Or however that addage goes, hahahaha.

As much as I argue over this, I do believe it is more in character for Garrus to not take the shot. If you let that asari scientist from Virmire live and take Garrus with you when you run into her again in ME2, he does say that he's "all for second chances." It's the 3rd ones he's not sure about... (It cracked me up.)

Argh, why didn't I get this dialogue!?  Mordin probably said something instead.  See, this is why I can't play a game where Garrus isn't in my party AT ALL TIMES OMG, because whenever someone says something, My eyes get all squinty and hateful and I hiss at my TV, "That's Garrus's line, You. Shut up." *scowl scowl scowl*

[Faerlyte]

Von Verrikan wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

I am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having him at least fall in love with a character of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it with...

I was greatly surprised by the lack of homosexual options actually. I was fully expecting Bioware to expand upon what they had developed in Dragon Age, coming into ME2. That's a bum deal really. Hopefully that'll change come the third installment, but even so, it's not as much fun when you don't really get an option while everyone else does.  

Modifié par Faerlyte, 03 février 2010 - 08:07 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Faerlyte wrote...

Crossing species lines and crossing gender lines are two completely different things. The majority of species on our planet are based off of male and female reproducing, in which case the natural order of things is for males to be attracted to females, and vice versa. It would be so for any species that relies on male and female intercourse. There's a huge difference between orientation and species.

 I'm a straight person and I can tell you flat out that I'm not going to be interested in that kind of a relationship with a female, I don't care what species it is. That's just a fact of life where I'm concerned. It's not an insult in any way, just as someone being gay isn't an insult to me - that's who they are, but it is a natural inborn instinct for me to desire males. Sexual-orientation isn't about appearances - it's about whether they're male or female and which one you're innately attracted to. That's not going to change, regardless of species. 

Love is not confined to the appearance of something. If you can connect with a person, understand them, and respect them, you can love them. And if you love someone deeply enough, it is only natural to want to please them sexually and be intimate with them.  Whether they're turian, salarian, or even krogan changes nothing if all those essential pieces are in place. Another words, I think it's great how many aliens you can romance - the more the merrier. 

But once you've gone over the line into another species, you've already discarded a natural attraction to the opposite gender, since attraction to another species in the first place obviously makes no natural sense. And what exactly qualifies as male or female when it comes to aliens, anyway? Something clinically scientific, like which carries the egg and which fertilizes it? More visual cues, like size, shape, pitch of voice? What if a species has more than two genders? My point is that the gender line becomes a lot more blurred when you bring other species into it. Like I said earlier, it's kind of an exercise in futility to map human sexuality onto alien creatures and cultures. (agreeing with you all the way on that last paragraph, though)

[Von Verrikan]

Faerlyte wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

I am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having him at least fall in love with a character of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it with...

I was greatly surprised by the lack of homosexual options actually. I was fully expecting Bioware to expand upon what they had developed in Dragon Age, coming into ME2. That's a bum deal really. Hopefully that'll change come the third installment, but even so, it's not as much fun when you don't really get an option while everyone else does.  

While it's not fair, such is life. I'm just happy Bioware was ballsy enough to include Garrus to love at all. The chances of a GAY romance with him.. Well I'll sooner see a racni brothel next to C-sec than get that opportuinity :]
Making sure Garrus is in the third game and making sure he's got an even more elaborate love story for femshep is more important to me now - I can live with my sexuality being shunned, but I cannot however live with garrus love not continuing forward in more overt ways

[Faerlyte]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Faerlyte wrote...

Crossing species lines and crossing gender lines are two completely different things. The majority of species on our planet are based off of male and female reproducing, in which case the natural order of things is for males to be attracted to females, and vice versa. It would be so for any species that relies on male and female intercourse. There's a huge difference between orientation and species.

 I'm a straight person and I can tell you flat out that I'm not going to be interested in that kind of a relationship with a female, I don't care what species it is. That's just a fact of life where I'm concerned. It's not an insult in any way, just as someone being gay isn't an insult to me - that's who they are, but it is a natural inborn instinct for me to desire males. Sexual-orientation isn't about appearances - it's about whether they're male or female and which one you're innately attracted to. That's not going to change, regardless of species. 

Love is not confined to the appearance of something. If you can connect with a person, understand them, and respect them, you can love them. And if you love someone deeply enough, it is only natural to want to please them sexually and be intimate with them.  Whether they're turian, salarian, or even krogan changes nothing if all those essential pieces are in place. Another words, I think it's great how many aliens you can romance - the more the merrier. 

But once you've gone over the line into another species, you've already discarded a natural attraction to the opposite gender, since attraction to another species in the first place obviously makes no natural sense. And what exactly qualifies as male or female when it comes to aliens, anyway? Something clinically scientific, like which carries the egg and which fertilizes it? More visual cues, like size, shape, pitch of voice? What if a species has more than two genders? My point is that the gender line becomes a lot more blurred when you bring other species into it. Like I said earlier, it's kind of an exercise in futility to map human sexuality onto alien creatures and cultures. (agreeing with you all the way on that last paragraph, though)

It's not discarding the natural attraction to the opposite gender if the species in question has two distinct genders, male and female, as humans do. I find the turians are attractive looking in general and I don't consider it not to make sense at all. Being sentient would allow a person to connect on an emotional level with another sentient species, which would lead to finding them attractive just because they are that person you admire. That being said, orientation is still set in stone.

EDIT* The line is only blurred for alien species where there is no definitive male and female, but considering that the majority of species on earth don't take that approach, it is not unreasonable to assume that the majority of alien species wouldn't either. The krogan and turians, so far as we can tell, follow that basic rule of male and female (not that there are persons born to homosexuality too), so it's not hard to map sexuality onto aliens. It's not strictly human sexuality anyway because animals possess the same instincts of orientation in that males breed with females, just like humans. If in the respective alien group males breed with females, you in essence have the same understanding of sexuality as they do. 

Obviously it's a different case with the mono-gendered asari, but by the standard of appearances, they are female and I seriously doubt that if there was a monogendered alien race in reality, that they would look that female, but who knows. There is no telling what it would be like in a real situation, but I'm very strongly orientated a certain way. I chalk it up to instincts more than anything - something you recognize on a subconscious level.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 03 février 2010 - 08:34 .

[Nekemekem]

Just jumping in from my lurking around here.

You know what I'd love to see? Shepard succumbing to TIM's control (latest novel in mind, what with all the implants and all) in ME3 and Garrus saving her. That would be so nice.

[RiouHotaru]

Von Verrikan wrote...

I
am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot
that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when
you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no
race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly
I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who
campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having
him at least fall in love with a character
of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love
for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it
with...

Thank god.  I was wondering if I was the only active gay fan of Garrus in our little group.  Well...agentmulder likes to THINK he's straight...but I think we know better

Seriously though, it's good to know I'm not alone.  Not that I minded being amongst women, but it's always a bit odd to feel like the "odd-man out", ya know?  And like you, I'm willing to love Garrus via proxy (my FemShep, Emily) rather than take nothing at all.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 03 février 2010 - 10:17 .

[Nissun]

I love you guys. Reading here makes me feel a little better.

That being said, I'd like to ask you guys something... Because I love Garrus because he's Garrus, not because he's a turian, but I also find turians physically attractive, in general. And I have a thing for certain aliens*, of other games/movies... And I'd like to know if I'm alone at this, because Thane is accepted, but I'm talking about things more alien than Thane. Along the lines of turians. You know.

So, any other races you really like? (in, or outside the ME universe)

*(I also have a thing for robots, and I'm dangerously close to developing a crush for Legion, but that's another story...)

Modifié par Nissun, 03 février 2010 - 12:20 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

siltsonata wrote...

Argh, why didn't I get this dialogue!?  Mordin probably said something instead.  See, this is why I can't play a game where Garrus isn't in my party AT ALL TIMES OMG, because whenever someone says something, My eyes get all squinty and hateful and I hiss at my TV, "That's Garrus's line, You. Shut up." *scowl scowl scowl*

... I do that too. I sometimes reload and shift around my party three or four times to make sure Garrus is on the left on the combat bar (and thus the primary).

[AgentMulder5]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

I
am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot
that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when
you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no
race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly
I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who
campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having
him at least fall in love with a character
of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love
for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it
with...

Thank god.  I was wondering if I was the only active gay fan of Garrus in our little group.  Well...agentmulder likes to THINK he's straight...but I think we know better

Seriously though, it's good to know I'm not alone.  Not that I minded being amongst women, but it's always a bit odd to feel like the "odd-man out", ya know?  And like you, I'm willing to love Garrus via proxy (my FemShep, Emily) rather than take nothing at all.

>_>

[Ryouseiken]

Von Verrikan wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

As far as Garrus goes, it could go either way; he outright says that it's really not Femshep's body he's attracted to ('not going to pretend I have a human fetish'), and once you've crossed the species line, is gender really such a big deal? On the other hand, he's a bro. Might get weird.

Overall, though, I was really disappointed that you could romance a bunch of aliens, but they were strictly heterosexual romances (especially when Bioware was all 'hurr durr Liara isn't a lesbian romance because she's not actually female'). Even more annoying was when there was straight-up no reason to NOT have a gay romance (Jack admits to having had girlfriends, Tali still says the line about 'nobody I would trust enough to link my suit with--well, no quarians, anyway') and still nada. Gay all over the place in Dragon Age, why not in the all-accepting future of Mass Effect?

(er, sorry, bit of a pet peeve there)

I am a gay man who loves Garrus, for the record. It bothered me a lot that I had no options for homosexuality.. Kelly herself makes note when you ask her about her xenophilia that 'character' is what matters, no race or gender.

But I respect bioware all the same. Frankly I would like to sit here and thank all the wonderful female fans who campaigned for garrus to love. If It wasnt for them my dream of having him at least fall in love with a character of mine would never have been realized. Being allowed to express love for him was more important to me than whatever gender I was doing it with...

I get where ya coming from. I'm bi and I have a mancrush on Garrus too, admittedly. :X Actually I like most Turians.

[Anthropophobic]

Another gay fan of Garrus here. The fact that there aren't any m/m relationships in the game doesn't bother me as much as it should, because I play a FemShep (I only got the first game a month ago and haven't played through either of the games as a ManShep).

I do kind of like turians in general, but none as much as I like Garrus. Garrus is the best. I wish the game included more conversations with Garrus and more squad banter involving Garrus... and more Garrus missions (his loyalty mission was my favorite, but probably just because he's Garrus). Mass Effect 2 needs way more Garrus.

I'm currently replaying Mass Effect so that I can import a Shepard whose LI isn't Liara. I can't stand the fact that Liara is still my LI in Mass Effect 2. Worried she'll try to kill Garrus in ME3 or something.

Modifié par Anthropophobic, 03 février 2010 - 12:40 .

[Xalena]

Haha have this pic on my desktop xD



sqek lol

[Ryouseiken]

Xalena wrote...

Haha have this pic on my desktop xD



sqek lol

Aw that's cute  

Modifié par Ryouseiken, 03 février 2010 - 01:06 .

[Prolefeed]

siltsonata wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

 No matter your decision with whether or not to kill Sidonis, perhaps it's best to take it as "time heals all things." Or however that addage goes, hahahaha.

As much as I argue over this, I do believe it is more in character for Garrus to not take the shot. If you let that asari scientist from Virmire live and take Garrus with you when you run into her again in ME2, he does say that he's "all for second chances." It's the 3rd ones he's not sure about... (It cracked me up.)

Argh, why didn't I get this dialogue!?  Mordin probably said something instead.  See, this is why I can't play a game where Garrus isn't in my party AT ALL TIMES OMG, because whenever someone says something, My eyes get all squinty and hateful and I hiss at my TV, "That's Garrus's line, You. Shut up." *scowl scowl scowl*

I'm really hoping that saving the scientist twice in a row has some REALLY BAD repercussions in ME3, like that chick creates an army of mind-controlled Krogan and starts trying to take over a star system. During Samara's recruitment quest on Illium, Bioware showed they're willing to make saving someone the wrong choice, when you can spare that merc girl and find out later that she's a bat**** crazy killer. And that Asari is somehow /always/ involved in the most crazy, evil **** going down in the galaxy. I want my Shepard's paragon-ness to bite her in the ass for once.

[Madolin]

Anthropophobic wrote...

...I do kind of like turians in general, but none as much as I like Garrus. Garrus is the best. I wish the game included more conversations with Garrus and more squad banter involving Garrus... and more Garrus missions (his loyalty mission was my favorite, but probably just because he's Garrus). Mass Effect 2 needs way more Garrus.

I'm currently replaying Mass Effect so that I can import a Shepard whose LI isn't Liara. I can't stand the fact that Liara is still my LI in Mass Effect 2. Worried she'll try to kill Garrus in ME3 or something.

Yes that is the whole problem with ME2, not enough Garrus. In fact, he should follow Shepard around the ship, harrassing you, rather than Shepard standing outside the battery room "sqeeing" for hours.

Garrus: "What it is it Shepard?"
Shepard:"How are you, do you need anything, are you hungry? I like the new cannon you installed, are you going to fix your armor? You know we have a improved medical bay, do your scars hurt? Do you want to come to my room and see my aquaruim?!"
Garrus:" Uh... you asked me all that like 15 minutes ago..."
Shepard:"Soo...... you got a minute?"
Garrus: "Gah!!!"


I also am hoping for all the people who cheated on their LI from the first game with Garrus, get a epic LI fight in ME3.
 I would do that just for the lulz.  (Unless you are like me, and purposely didn't romance anyone in ME1 because Garrus wasn't a option.)


<_<

[Prolefeed]

I am attracted to Turians in general. Pallin, Chellick, the Turian Councilor, the Turian you can buy Spectre weapons from in ME1 . . . Yeah, found them all hot. Not as attracted to them as I am to Garrus, but whenever a Turian character shows up, I'm immediately significantly more interested in what's going on. (Which is saying quite a bit, because when playing Mass Effect, I'm always quite interested, ) It's a combination of how cool looking they are, and the entire species' obsession with honor and protecting others and serving society.

AND EPIC LI SHOWDOWN WOULD BE FIERCE!!! OMG, Kaidan would be truly angry at someone who isn't femShep!!! (How pathetic is it that the entire time he was breaking up with me (err, my femShep), I was squeeing over finally getting to see him angry?)

Although, now that I think about it, Garrus and Kaidan are both too reasonable to fight with each other. Liara would totally make Garrus fight her, since she's a psycho now. Kaidan would probably fight Jacob (on the basis that he's a Cerberus goon, and not too bright) or Thane ("WTF, Shepard? He's an assassin."). But Garrus and Kaidan . . . They would probably just talk it out.

Modifié par Prolefeed, 03 février 2010 - 02:58 .

[FriendofGarrus]

Forgive me for saying this but I am really surprised at the number of female fans there are for this game in general. Normally it seems like the overwhelming number of people who play "hardcore" games are male. Its a nice change of pace. I'm glad to see a game like this get wider appeal as well.

[Madolin]

i dunno... the idea of Garrus beating Kaidan to death with his sniper rifle over Shepard sounds awesome to me.

[Prolefeed]

Madolin wrote...

i dunno... the idea of Garrus beating Kaidan to death with his sniper rifle over Shepard sounds awesome to me.

 But I like Kaidan. And I highly doubt Kaidan would take it to that point if Shepard said she was sticking with Garrus. I mean, if you romanced him and Liara at the same time, he was really resolute about that Not Being Okay, and you could tell he was displeased, but he wasn't exactly frothing at the mouth in rage. He stays on a pretty even keel.

[charles shepherd]

TestiSkills wrote...

My garrus died on the suicide run. I promptly said "NO **** THAT, IT CANT HAPPEN" and reloaded.

Hah, that's EXACTLY what happened to me. Although I lost him to the swarm, which is the worst death scene. Stupid Maranda, I thought she was gonna escort the others, not me :-P.

[shnellegaming]

Prolefeed wrote...

I am attracted to Turians in general. Pallin, Chellick, the Turian Councilor, the Turian you can buy Spectre weapons from in ME1 . . . Yeah, found them all hot. Not as attracted to them as I am to Garrus, but whenever a Turian character shows up, I'm immediately significantly more interested in what's going on. (Which is saying quite a bit, because when playing Mass Effect, I'm always quite interested, ) It's a combination of how cool looking they are, and the entire species' obsession with honor and protecting others and serving society.

AND EPIC LI SHOWDOWN WOULD BE FIERCE!!! OMG, Kaidan would be truly angry at someone who isn't femShep!!! (How pathetic is it that the entire time he was breaking up with me (err, my femShep), I was squeeing over finally getting to see him angry?)

Although, now that I think about it, Garrus and Kaidan are both too reasonable to fight with each other. Liara would totally make Garrus fight her, since she's a psycho now. Kaidan would probably fight Jacob (on the basis that he's a Cerberus goon, and not too bright) or Thane ("WTF, Shepard? He's an assassin."). But Garrus and Kaidan . . . They would probably just talk it out.

I'm not too sure about that.  Kaiden might have worse feelings cause technically he was friends/comrades with Garrus.  He might not only feel betrayed by femshep but by Garrus as well.  He wouldn't get that if she was with a stranger.

I would love to see some sort of confrontation in the next game between LI1 and LI2.  Who knows we might even get new LI3s too.  That Kal Regar was so coool.  There were a few people I'd love to have in my next game.

I want to get Garrus into the Spectres.  He'd make an awesome Spectre.  I think it would be his dream job.

[CrazyMorbidity]

Madolin wrote...

i dunno... the idea of Garrus beating Kaidan to death with his sniper rifle over Shepard sounds awesome to me.

I myself would love to see this... even though my Shepard would rush in to stop him... and ****** of Kaidan by still staying with Garrus. XP

[noisecode]

Well ..........  Tali has my heart, but Garrus has my back!  Garrus is like my Shepard best bud!


   You have my support!