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[MajFauxPas]

Brandon Keener, the voice of Garrus, also did the allied sniper voice for Company of Heroes.

If I recall correctly, he also did the C&C Generals sniper/pathfinder voice.

He's got a niche!



Hail Senator Garrus!

Always wanted to say that.

[Nissun]

aznsoisauce wrote...

I must admit, though. The Garrus romance has ruined any other FemShep play throughs I do in the future.

This . SPECIALLY because my other Shepard, the one that romanced Kaidan, looks too much like the femShep i've grown so fond of. Thank god we can change their appearance when importing. I'll make her blonde or something, use the hairstyles I would NEVER use in a personal playthrough.

It's hard for me to percive them as different Shepards, with the same voice they have to be very different physically, or I end up messing up "my canon experience" (wich are femshep with Garrus, and the default manShep single unless there is a m/m romance or Legion becomes curious about love...) .
PS: Ended the game, no one died, Garrus is an excellent team leader 

[Annora]

You summed up my feelings, and reasons why I like, Samara so succinctly. She was an amazing character, and I honestly thought she would just be "another Asari." Man, was I wrong.

[Xalena]

RiouHotaru epic win in this thread you summed my feelings about all these chars, wondering what you think about ME1 LIs aswell you write very nice. I sometimes hardly can express what I really think or feel on english you have done it greatly! My english is not so uber.This, what have you wrote should go on the first page, in first post.

Modifié par Xalena, 05 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[Iokastos]

Santiri approves + 15

[RiotLaFontaine]

I've got about 200mb of super-hi-res turian screenshots (random NPCS - not Garrus) if anyone wants to see

[RiotLaFontaine]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Who cares if the 'Save Tali for ME3' is hitting almost 5k replies, it's all spam and crap   It's them replying to each other at a mile a minute with one-liner posts.  We're doing discussions with SUBSTANCE!
...
Anyway, since a few interesting points were brought up, I'd thought, as the resident gay Garrus fan, I'd toss out my 2 cents worth! XP

Re: "Fetish for humans"
Garrus's statement might come off weird to some, as though he isn't attracted to Shepard, however, the common definition of a "fetish" is something that is required for sexual activity to take place.  Basically, you need this thing (be it an activity, or an object of some kind) to become aroused.  Of course, Garrus is being general himself.  He's saying that he doesn't immediately pop a boner whenever he sets his eyes on a human, not that he finds them ugly (notice he doesn't state which gender of human he likes though~).  His next sentence negates any negative connotations of the first sentence however.  "But this isn't about that, this is about us."  Regardless of whether he finds Shepard smoking hot or only mildly attractive, the fact she trusts him enough to want him, and he probably finds that more attractive than anything else.  He even doubts that she actually would go for him in the first place, since he's the alien.

Re: Garrus Romance In General
I realize that I am horribly biased, but I do feel as though the FemShep romances are almost geared towards making Garrus the optimal answer..and here's why:

Garrus: Which brings us to our scarred and witty Turian, who feels like a balance between the overly corny Jacob and the proportionately tragic Thane.  Now, again, as I'm biased, take my words with a grain of salt please.  Garrus, like Jacob, has no particular skeletons lurking in his closet.  Estranged from his father for a difference of morals and perspective, Garrus joins Shepard in ME1 to try and be the Cowboy Cop he always wanted to be.  I'll assume you went Paragon on him for the purposes of my explanation, and say you convinced Garrus that rules are there for a reason, and I quote "If the people you're trying to protect can't trust you, then you don't deserve to be the one protecting them."  He goes back to C-Sec after the Battle of the Citadel, but realizes he can't do any good.  Then Shepard dies.  Probably distraught over the loss of the Commander he was loyal too, he somehow winds up on Omega, leading a squad of 12(?!) to do good for the people.

Now, Garrus loses his squad several months before you come back to recruit 'Archangel' due to a believed betrayal from one of his own.  Despite this, he keeps fighting until you recruit him, where he manages to help bring down all three heads of the major gangs, but not before taking several high velocity rounds (breaks his armor) and a rocket blast to his face (his scars).  Ouch, all this stacked on top of each other would be fairly traumatic...but not for Garrus.  Despite eating rockets and bullets, and the loss of his men, he loses neither his wit nor his confidence at all.  Once he tracks down Sidonis, you help him realize that 'black and white' doesn't always work.  He even admits his own faults, "Gray.  I was never good with gray."

Then comes the romance.  Admittedly, Shepard does come on a touch strongly (really?  Opening pick-up line is "Why don't we skip right to the tiebreaker?" when "You seem to have a lot of tension." is apparently too subtle?  Wtf Shepard!) but at first, Garrus acts like "Wait, really?  She's got the hots for me?  Hot damn, yes!"  But then, reality sinks in with the second conversation, when his usual overflowing confidence and wit start to falter.  He isn't sure he's the person Shepard should want.  Whether it's his disfigurement or his alien-ness, he feels Shepard could easily do better than him (especially with folks like Kelly/Thane/Jacob around!).  However, the following conversation (referenced above) to me spells out the heart and soul of their relationship.

Unlike Jacob and Thane, whose relationships feel built on lust and tragedy respectively, Garrus's relationship is one built on friendship, trust, and loyalty.  After all, he tells her "You're about the only friend I have left in this screwed up galaxy." which is perfect against Shepard's "I don't want something closer to home.  I want you.  I want someone I can trust."  Their relationship goes beyond male/female, and even human/turian.  Garrus's sturdy confidence is shaken because in his mind "How could she possibly want someone like me when there's these other people around?"  But Shepard proves that there's a trait he has, that makes her want him[/i].  It's that trust.  He's stood by her against Saren, and now the Collectors.  And if Shepard consoles him that he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to, he claims that she wouldn't ever make him that uncomfortable.  (I apologize for the overuse of italics and bold, but I like emphasizing certain words for added punch and effect)

His awkwardness at how the relationship would be consumated is equally heartwarming.  However, I get the feeling his actions during the final romance scene are misinterpreted.  We've established that Garrus is definitely not inexperienced when it comes to women.  But I don't think his awkwardness comes from a lack of human experience.  No, I believe his awkwardness comes from the fact that it's Shepard he's trying to seduce.  Because the poor guy wants so badly to impress her, that he buys (cheap) wine and uses corny music, because he wants so desperately to impress her (he even admits to not having watched "the vids" when he founders, if you don't use the paragon interrupt).  But why does he want to impress her so badly?  Because...it's Shepard.

Not just some human who finds him hot for his scars, but the commanding officer who has picked out HIM among all the other likely candidates, and he wants so badly to do right by her.  After all, she has trust in him, enough to want him to keep her company and be close to her, despite the massive biological barriers.  He doesn't want to let her down, or make her feel like she's wasting her time, "I want something to go right.  Just once.  Just..."  His fumbling and whatnot I believe is not from inexperience, but from Garrus trying desperately to overachieve for the person who has bestowed upon him possibly the greatest level of trust that one person can give to another...

...I know I've likely been babbling, but based on this evidence alone, Garrus feels like the most natural choice.  Even despite the fact that I'm horribly, [i]horribly biased, Garrus's romance feels like it was written with the strongest emphasis placed on it's emotion and meaning.  Now, I won't dare knock on anyone who picks Jacob or Thane.  They have their good qualities.  But comparing the three...I don't honestly think I could ever pick anyone but Garrus.  X3

/end wall-o-text

You made some excellent observations here.  Garrus never blows off MaleShep and he never sees FemShep as a gendered person; their relationship doesn't see to have gender boundaries that human beings would tend to impose.

I've had internal debates on the state of homosexuality in the Mass Effect universe and I've concluded that it's not considered a taboo.  If you notice, we still refer to relationships as hetero and ****** and define them in gendered terms.  But I don't recall many instances where gender is pointed out in ME.  It's like the taboo doesn't exist.  Even interspecies relationships isn't viewed as a shameful taboo, but as an irregularity at best (notice how many interspecies NPCs we encounter in ME2).

I'm not sure if Garrus would back down if MaleShep made an advance on him,

Aside from that, I find it interesting that Garrus knows what a fetish is.  I think this solidifies that turians do have them.  Another turian NPC points out that he has "simple tastes" (I believe the drunk going after the asari on Samara's loyalty mission).  So that raises a question for me: does Garrus himself have any?  We know he doesn't have a human fetish, but I can make a guess based on behaviors one that he might have.  Maybe two if visual interpretation is brought into the discussion.

My brain says that while a "vanilla" Garrus is lots of fun, a Garrus with more than "simple tastes" might not only be fun, interesting, and possibly wild, but also dynamic.

[Xalena]

Give that pictures Riot

[Prolefeed]

Riou, your posts were AWESOME. I totally agree.

Riot: I doubt Garrus could spend much time working as a Citadel cop without finding out what a fetish is. When you're working the wards, I sure people get into all sorts of crazy stuff. And since Turians have even fewer boundaries about what they do in the free time than people do (it seems the only rules the Hierarchy enforces are "Don't hurt anyone" and "Don't mess up your work."), I'm sure their species has just as many going on as humans do

Personally, I bet Garrus and Shepard are into tying each other up. :innocent: . . . Oh, did I just say that?

[RiotLaFontaine]

Prolefeed wrote...

Riou, your posts were AWESOME. I totally agree.

Riot: I doubt Garrus could spend much time working as a Citadel cop without finding out what a fetish is. When you're working the wards, I sure people get into all sorts of crazy stuff. And since Turians have even fewer boundaries about what they do in the free time than people do (it seems the only rules the Hierarchy enforces are "Don't hurt anyone" and "Don't mess up your work."), I'm sure their species has just as many going on as humans do

Personally, I bet Garrus and Shepard are into tying each other up. :innocent: . . . Oh, did I just say that?

Hahaha bondage, yessss.

As for Garrus, of course he'd be aware based on his experiences in C-Sec, but it's strange that he even brought that up when romancing FemShep.  One would think he'd avoid any mention of that sorta thing unless he did have more than simple tastes, which he may have been trying to skirt around rather comically.

[Adamski_707]

I liked garrus in me1 it was as if you were mentoring him.



2 years later he is all grown up into an awesome badass xD

[Raoune]

I'd like to add to the wonderful analysis of paragonFemShep/Garrus by also offering the renegade side...



Renegade Shepard to me is not about someone who is selfish and cruel. She is someone who believes in getting things done, no matter what the cost... and who perhaps wants to have fun whilst doing it. She takes pleasure in making people that deserve to pay.



Garrus is the only love interest over both games that really shares this passion. My Shep, Zenobia, ended up with Liara (and a lot of arguments) in the first game, but Garrus was alway in the team ,and was very treasured.



In the second game, from the moment he is revealed, it seems like he has become closer to Renegade-Shep's philosophy than ever. The way they bounce off each other through his mission and in his loyalty mission is truly sparking with sexual tension. Especially during the set up of the hit (Hale makes it sound like FemShep is pretty much getting off on setting up the shot for Garrus). But underneath the sexuality, there's also a deep-set trust, and an understanding of shared morals and experiences.



Plus, Zenobia didn't have her face fixed, so here they were, battle-torn, exhausted, facing death, and facing up to the fact that they loved each other. They're Batman and Catwoman





Squee.

[Xalena]

That is really a one badass couple Raoune ;D...scars ftw

[siltsonata]

DeeLite808 wrote...

.. yeah the Tali thread can't compare to the thoughtful analysis of this one.

Makes me all gushy and squeemy . As I stated earlier in the thread, I would have romanced Garrus since ME1 if he was an option. Now I get my turrian chance in ME2

All this talk of Garrus is making me want to make a plushie of him...a chibi-version of course.

I have one....sort of.  Emilijoy.deviantart.com/art/Felt-Garrus-Vakarian-Plushie-127589444  
He's been deconstructed now, of course, because I need that scanner for making Garrus 2.Baddass and can't make another one.

I could've dealt with having a Garrus with old, outdated armor, but then they had to blow his face up, so now I need to make a new one. Plus, there are a few facial inaccuracies I want to try to fix. 

[RiouHotaru]

Well now, since my analysis of the ME2 romances
have been met with such high acclaim, I'll take a suggestion and do a little
looking at the ME1 romances.  Not exactly a Garrus fixation, but I think
it's only fair that we look at ALL the options equally, right?



The "Racist" Ashley Williams

First off, I'll state right now that I put "racist" in quotes because
that's the general claim made about Ashley's character, which I believe is the
result of a rather gross oversight on the part of the players.  Ashley

isn't a true racist, not even in the slightest.  Nor is she in any way
xenophobic (unless you go Renegade with her).  Ashley does have strong
misgivings about non-humans, but only because they've created a stigma

on her family name, when her father did the smart thing of surrendering
on Shanxi. 
To say that the military blacklisting her family was as dishonorable and
disgusting act would likely be an understatement.  Her father did the only
smart thing a man in his position could do, and thus her entire family pays for
it?  Ashley actually came off as one of the more interesting of the three
romanceable characters, if not the most interesting, due to her

strength of will.  Her perpencity to spout classical poetry was somewhat
odd, but as she states herself "she's not good with words, other people
say what she means."  Her strength of spirit means she isn't afraid
to question stupid decisions or express her point of view.



EDIT: Apparently Ashley's family gets their name cleared as a result of her
dying on Virmire, which comes as the best reward she could get, though it's
more than a bit tragic that she had to play the martyr (something you can
admonish her for if you let Kaidan die) for that to happen.



The "Nice Guy" Kaidan Alenko

Ahhh, Kaidan.  Blessed (or cursed) with Carth Onasi's VA, Kaidan, like
Jacob, is the guy your mothers would likely want you to bring home for
dinner.  He's a nice guy who's been around the block a few times, and has
experience dealing with all sorts of things.  He can be influenced to be
more open-minded or more xenophobic as well, but it shows much more
readily.  Unfortunately, his well-rounded behavior and attitude makes him
incredibly boring compared to Ashley or even Liara (in my opinion),
though it has given him a firm and solid foundation of

fans who seek to remain loyal to their favorite Sentinel.  Like Jacob, he
has no particularly big or nasty skeletons in his closet with the exception of
'Brain Camp', and even Kaidan has put that behind him.  Still, I have to
give Kaidan credit for giving us this line: "Aliens are just as human as
we are, they have jerks and saints, just as we do."



If Kaidan is sacrificed on Virmire, a Kaidan Alenko Fund is started to help
send young biotics to schools in the Alliance's
Ascension Project, so that no other kids go through what he did during 'Brain
Camp', which

is actually very touching and fitting for good ol' LT.



The "Blue Girl" Liara T'soni

Liara seems to have a love/hate relationship with the Mass
Effect fans.  Some find her incredibly adorable with the
way she fumbles around with her attempt to establish a rapport with Shepard,
while some complain that she took next to no time at all to go from
awkward to clingly, which comes off as extremely odd and off-putting

for most people.  Still, to her credit, Liara is easily the most
diplomatic during the romance conflict, and it's easy to want to pick her so as
not to hurt her feelings.  She's extremely affectionate and
romantic, enough to make Kaidan look by comparison.



Which makes the almost complete 180 shift of personality during ME2 feel like a
punch in the gut to her fans.  So what could've possibly happened to Liara
to cause her to quote her own mother?  Well, after finding out who the
Observer is, there's an often missed dialogue option under 'Investigate' which
is titled 'Reason for Anger', where Shepard presses Liara about just why she's
after the Shadow Broker.  As it turns out, Liara is doing it as a means of
both atonement and revenge.  She describes in bare-bones detail, the
events of Redemption (of which we only

have #1) where Liara had to track down Shepard's body to keep the Shadow Broker
from selling it to the Collectors, and was then forced to give her Commander's
body over to Cerberus so that they might resurrect

him.  However, knowing how...unsavory Cerberus was, Liara hid this reason
from Shepard, afraid that the person she's come to respect so much would hate
her for doing so, because she desperately wanted to see you

again, and it's during this confession, that we a return of the old, kind
Liara.



Now, I confess, her grief makes even me feel a bit bad that I chose to not
romance her in favor of Garrus, because of the genuine emotion and anguish that
the decision seems to invoke in her, and how torn up she has to be over what
she did, all because she wanted to help you.  For those who did
romance her, I can only imagine it likely invokes a few tears.  But I
applaud Bioware for giving Liara such a solid reason for her change, and such
genuine

emotion.



Re: The "Horizon" Incident

Unfortunately, the same cannot necessarily be said for Ashley and Kaidan. 
Many of you who romanced either one of them saw them on Horizon and was likely
overjoyed to discover the Collector's hadn't kidnapped them, and were expecting
a touching reunion...when suddenly your friend/possible significant other
suddenly beats you over the head with the "Where were you?!  If you'd
told me you were alive I would've been with you in a heartbeat! " line,
and then follows it up with the knee-to-the-groin remark of "You're with
Cerberus, you're a dirty, stinking traitor!  I

don't care that I followed you around half the galaxy and stopped Saren, you've
betrayed everyone and everything you know!"  If you took Garrus with
you, he's quick to pull a "What the hell dude?!" on either of them
for this outburtst...which neither of them respond to.  You can even tell
them "You know me, I'd only do this for a good

reason!"...which they respond with a rather stinging "What if you're
being manipulated?!"  It ends with them wishing you "Good
luck" ...but it still left a bitter taste in my mouth.



I can't tell you how many people wanted to airlock Ashley/Kaidan for this crap,
and I won't lie, I'm among that crowd.  If either of them is your LI, you
get a chaste hug before getting verbally browbeat, and an apologetic email from
them afterwards.  However, while I've only seen Kaidan's email, you can
somewhat understand their agony.  For either of them, you were dead for 2
years, and they were ready to move on with their lives (love lives too), an
understandable response...until you show up.  Kaidan even admits he was
starting to see this nice doctor too.  However the last line of "When
this is all over, we can talk this out and maybe...we'll see."



Wat.  Are you kidding me?!  "We'll see?!"  What
kind of crap is that?!  I know Bioware had to make them stay away so as to
keep them alive for ME3, but I could only be incredibly pissed at that
"resolution"  The prior parts of the apology email were alright,
but that last line felt, to me, to destroy any lasting emotional attachment I
had for them.  Why would I want to take you back after you call me
a traitor, accuse me of being delusional and manipulated (crap I got from the
Council, which I certainly didn't want to hear from you, you
bastard!), and then try to make up for it with a "We'll see?!" 
I for one am quite glad I Virmire'd Kaidan to spare my Shepard

Edit: I hate this forum sometimes.  Stupid formatting crap >.<

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 05 février 2010 - 06:16 .

[Xalena]

@Siltsonata, Do you sell this little Garrus chibies? xD This one is so adorable!

Modifié par Xalena, 05 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[OmbradelCerberos]

I agree with Riou. That was a very good summary of the ME1 romances.

That plushies is really cute. Great work, Siltonsata.

[Madolin]

Oh Riou, i love your wall of text posts, they are very insightful!

I pretty much agree with you so far on everything, which is weird cuz i never agree with people on anything. Odd.

[RiouHotaru]

Well, if you ladies want me too, I'll put my literary analysis skills to the test on other topics as well! Just give me something to work with.

[Xalena]

Riou is some kind of AI/VI like EDI w/e ))... Riou tell me do you think that Garrus romance will suffer in ME3 because we already got cutted off abit in ME2 in conversations cos of all these new romance chars in game and somehow Bioware treats ME1 LIs like main Shepard's romance over newest ones. I mean it is ok that ME1 LIs get more in ME3. I feel sorry of these people who really have crush on Kaiden, Liara, Ashley and they got only that crappy reunion on Horizon but afraid that we will suffer and same will happen to us. Garrus is killable in ME2

Modifié par Xalena, 05 février 2010 - 06:58 .

[pizoxuat]

I think it's a credit to the writers that I would have found "... and let us never speak of this again," and a return to being just BFFs a completely reasonable and satisfying end to the relationship. But I am not disappointed that things seem to have gone well (given that he's happy enough to give you cuddlestime) and look forward to seeing if things continue in ME3. I do hope someone goes through and sees if there was a bit of post-coital dialog that just isn't firing, because it does seem odd that it doesn't get addressed.

[Raoune]

Good post Riou.



I romanced Liara in the first one, and it is hard seeing her changed, especially as I knew what had got her there. But despite that, your Shep doesn't know all that has happened, and it just seems like she's changed. That's what I felt, anyway.



And I KNEW Kaidan was too close to that woman! Grr...!

[RiotLaFontaine]

Piiiiics (sorry for the delay):

http://www.yousendit...lK3hUME1LSkE9PQ

https://www.yousendi...SZEs1R09Ga1E9PQ