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[Faerlyte]

There was quite a debate going on over whether or not any of your ME2 squadmates could make a return in ME3 as squadmates. Because of the decision to not include the LIs from ME1 so that they'll be around in a more prominent role for ME3 would indicate that Bioware doesn't intend for anyone from ME2 return as a squadmate, at which point I will be committing sepuku.

They could do still do it, Bioware, if they wanted to. I'm going to hazard a guess that the majority of the gaming world will have saved Garrus, if not the entire group. So what if he dies in someone else's game - if that's what they want then they won't miss not recruiting him in ME3 (consequences of decisions, right?), while the rest of us will jump on him in a nanosecond.

The worst part in all this, for me at any rate, is that I didn't care for either Ashley or Kaiden in the first, and Bioware has made all these allowances for those two characters. Which means that I have to have one back in my party, and I'd take anyone from the cast of ME2 over those two. It's...it's not FAIR!

It's back to the whole "Kaiden, Liara, and Ashley are the lead romances", which would seem to render all the others useless or unimportant. And here I'd been so ecstatic that Garrus and Tali returned as squadmates for ME2. Now I'm not so sure...

You can't break up the Three Musketeers! They are forever!

Modifié par Faerlyte, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:16 .

[Eradyn]

Faerlyte wrote...

There was quite a debate going on over whether or not any of your ME2 squadmates could make a return in ME3 as squadmates. Because of the decision to not include the LIs from ME1 so that they'll be around in a more prominent role for ME3 would indicate that Bioware doesn't intend for anyone from ME2 return as a squadmate, at which point I will be committing sepuku.

They could do still do it, Bioware, if they wanted to. I'm going to hazard a guess that the majority of the gaming world will have saved Garrus, if not the entire group. So what if he dies in someone else's game - if that's what they want then they won't miss not recruiting him in ME3 (consequences of decisions, right?), while the rest of us will jump on him in a nanosecond.

Exactly this.  I really hope BW doesn't cop-out on Garrus and the others by writing them out or making them cameos because of this, though.  I want them to be full, independent, unique squadmembers.  If some of these squadmates died someone's game, then too bad they can't recruit them.  The argument's been tossed around that "BW won't devote such resources to them because not everyone will experience the content."  Which is a "wth" kind of argument that makes no sense.  People aren't kept from starting new games and saving certain party members, so that's not a valid excuse so far as I'm concerned.

It really depends on what scale BW wants to tackle ME3.  They can go a few ways about this: Make an absolutely revolutionary game with clear, distinct, and far-reaching effects from decisions made, or make a game that's nice but nowhere the scope and scale it could have been.  I hope BW won't take the easy way out.  I hope each character has the possibility of returning in full force as fully fleshed out, developed, and UNIQUE characters, most of which who should hopefully be recruitable (if they survived and can logically do so).

The worst part in all this, for me at any rate, is that I didn't care for either Ashley or Kaiden in the first, and Bioware has made all these allowances for those two characters. Which means that I have to have one back in my party, and I'd take anyone from the cast of ME2 over those two. It's...it's not FAIR!

It's back to the whole "Kaiden, Liara, and Ashley are the lead romances", which would seem to render all the others useless or unimportant. And here I'd been so ecstatic that Garrus and Tali returned as squadmates for ME2. Now I'm not so sure...

You can't break up the Three Musketeers! They are forever!

I can definitely understand, but I really hope it isn't an Either/Or situation.  I hope these guys return but not at the exclusion or lessening of the ME2 squad's prominance/roles.  I'm tired of "lead" romances.  I'm sorry, but if there's no "canon" Shepard, there is no "canon" romance.  So far as I'm concerned, Garrus is the lead romance in my game.  His relationship with Shepard is more important.  I hope for others with their own LI choices, that it would be the same for them.  I want Garrus an equal member and participant in ME3.  He's alive in my game, I would want that to be so.  Just as I think others with different LI's would want that to be true for themselves and their LI choice.

Hellfirefanatic wrote...

What sucks is we wont know
anything for probably another 2 years.... 2 years of twisting and
twitching at every single little scrap of info about ME3 we'll get
until they decide to open the flood gates 2 months before the games
release.

Yeah, it's going to be a fun 2 years, but I'm determined to stick it out and keep voicing my opinions.  I enjoyed ME2 a lot and I'm very happy, thrilled, and grateful that BW created the Garrus romance option.  But I know that if you want something, you need to make it known because BW isn't made up of mindreaders.  So I'm going to stick it out and keep pushing along. 

We'll always have Garrus to discuss, and fanfiction and fanart can carry things along quite well, too.

Modifié par Eradyn, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .

[Faerlyte]

Eradyn wrote...

Faerlyte wrote...

There was quite a debate going on over whether or not any of your ME2 squadmates could make a return in ME3 as squadmates. Because of the decision to not include the LIs from ME1 so that they'll be around in a more prominent role for ME3 would indicate that Bioware doesn't intend for anyone from ME2 return as a squadmate, at which point I will be committing sepuku.

They could do still do it, Bioware, if they wanted to. I'm going to hazard a guess that the majority of the gaming world will have saved Garrus, if not the entire group. So what if he dies in someone else's game - if that's what they want then they won't miss not recruiting him in ME3 (consequences of decisions, right?), while the rest of us will jump on him in a nanosecond.

Exactly this.  I really hope BW doesn't cop-out on Garrus and the others by writing them out or making them cameos because of this, though.  I want them to be full, independent, unique squadmembers.  If some of these squadmates died someone's game, then too bad they can't recruit them.  The argument's been tossed around that "BW won't devote such resources to them because not everyone will experience the content."  Which is a "wth" kind of argument that makes no sense.  People aren't kept from starting new games and saving certain party members, so that's not a valid excuse so far as I'm concerned.

It really depends on what scale BW wants to tackle ME3.  They can go a few ways about this: Make an absolutely revolutionary game with clear, distinct, and far-reaching effects from decisions made, or make a game that's nice but nowhere the scope and scale it could have been.  I hope BW won't take the easy way out.  I hope each character has the possibility of returning in full force as fully fleshed out, developed, and UNIQUE characters, most of which who should hopefully be recruitable (if they survived and can logically do so).

The worst part in all this, for me at any rate, is that I didn't care for either Ashley or Kaiden in the first, and Bioware has made all these allowances for those two characters. Which means that I have to have one back in my party, and I'd take anyone from the cast of ME2 over those two. It's...it's not FAIR!

It's back to the whole "Kaiden, Liara, and Ashley are the lead romances", which would seem to render all the others useless or unimportant. And here I'd been so ecstatic that Garrus and Tali returned as squadmates for ME2. Now I'm not so sure...

You can't break up the Three Musketeers! They are forever!

I can definitely understand, but I really hope it isn't an Either/Or situation.  I hope these guys return but not at the exclusion or lessening of the ME2 squad's prominance/roles.  I'm tired of "lead" romances.  I'm sorry, but if there's no "canon" Shepard, there is no "canon" romance.  So far as I'm concerned, Garrus is the lead romance in my game.  His relationship with Shepard is more important.  I hope for others with their own LI choices, that it would be the same for them.  I want Garrus an equal member and participant in ME3.  He's alive in my game, I would want that to be so.  Just as I think others with different LI's would want that to be true for themselves and their LI choice.

Hellfirefanatic wrote...

What sucks is we wont know
anything for probably another 2 years.... 2 years of twisting and
twitching at every single little scrap of info about ME3 we'll get
until they decide to open the flood gates 2 months before the games
release.

Yeah, it's going to be a fun 2 years, but I'm determined to stick it out and keep voicing my opinions.  I enjoyed ME2 a lot and I'm very happy, thrilled, and grateful that BW created the Garrus romance option.  But I know that if you want something, you need to make it known because BW isn't made up of mindreaders.  So I'm going to stick it out and keep pushing along. 

We'll always have Garrus to discuss, and fanfiction and fanart can carry things along quite well, too.

I agree. While I may not like Ashley and Kaiden, I realize that there are other people who do. It's not fair for them to be excluded. On the same token, I don't want my preferences to be excluded either. ME3 has all the potential to be incredibly ground breaking and awesome, if, like you say, they don't take the easy route.

I feel the same way about Garrus being my romantic lead - he's it for me, no one else, so I want him to have as much relevance as the next romantic option. The human options shouldn't garner any more authenticity than the alien options - in a real life scenario, if a romance with an alien did occur, it's probably more likely to be based on mutual respect and appreciation for the person than anything else. At least, for a lot of people "physical attraction" to an alien doesn't compute. 

Although as far as I'm concerned, turians are hot . 

[Eradyn]

Faerlyte wrote...

I agree. While I may not like Ashley and Kaiden, I realize that there are other people who do. It's not fair for them to be excluded. On the same token, I don't want my preferences to be excluded either. ME3 has all the potential to be incredibly ground breaking and awesome, if, like you say, they don't take the easy route.

I feel the same way about Garrus being my romantic lead - he's it for me, no one else, so I want him to have as much relevance as the next romantic option. The human options shouldn't garner any more authenticity than the alien options - in a real life scenario, if a romance with an alien did occur, it's probably more likely to be based on mutual respect and appreciation for the person than anything else. At least, for a lot of people "physical attraction" to an alien doesn't compute. 

Although as far as I'm concerned, turians are hot . 

Fact: Turians are hot. XD

And yeah, a relationship would largely be based on a foundation of respect and mutual admiration.  I think that, although physical attraction could occur, it couldn't happen or be sustained without that important component, to an even greater degree than with human relationships.  For me, Garrus is it.  If I want to "explore" other romance options, I go to youtube and see how those pan out, but for my games it's Garrus all the way.  In my story, he and my Shep are together through thick and thin.

[Gar_Logan]

I play a Male Shepherd, and Garrus was my favorite character from the first game. However, I felt there wasn't as many places to actually talk to him as there were almost every other character. I did his loyalty mission, and I did every conversation that would come up, but it seemed like over 75% of the time I tried talking to him, he was always busy. It kind of disappointed me. I was looking forward to him and Tali the most. Tali, I felt, was done beautifully. I would have liked a little more out of Garrus though.



.....Not exactly romantically though. After his conversation about preparing for a battle on a turian ship, is there anything more? Or will he be constantly calculating down in the main battery. -.-



Worries me too, since he was a squaddie in ME1 and 2, there's always a chance that he'll be sidelined in ME3. However, I'd like to think not. Given the fan reception for him, the chances are at least considerable he'll be back for another round.



...yeah, that last sentence works.

[Eclesis]

Just finished the loyalty quest, coming out of the woodwork to say that, in addition to the obvious "hoping for squadmate-dom etc.", I'd like the moral influence to actually stick this time. In ME1 I pushed Garrus towards Paragon because I liked him and didn't want him to turn into Saren. And then it didn't make a difference in ME2 and I wasn't given any explanation other than "well he left C-Sec again out of frustration", especially considering that (parts of) C-Sec did turn into a means-justify-ends organization. For some it might be considered him becoming more "badass", for me it was disappointing how little my efforts mattered (although I guess that can be applied to the ME universe in general; can't you die for a bit without the entire place falling down around your ears? Sheesh )

I dragged him back again in the loyalty mission and would like it to stick this time despite whatever plot conspiring to make things "darker". If we're given the choice to influence our teammates, I would like it to make a long-term difference instead of defaulting to one or the other without much more than a handwave. And I realize how difficult that is to implement for major characters, but one can hope, right?

Modifié par Eclesis, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[Eradyn]

Heh, well hopefully they aren't killing off Shepard again so there won't be that gap where they go off to do their own thing. So...there's a chance, I think, that your decisions may carry a little more weight...that said, I don't think it'll be a huge effect, if only because Garrus seems to have matured wholly into his own person.



With his loyalty quest, you can't change him. HE'S changing himself. All you can do is try to plead with him to not give into his anger and desire for revenge, or to just sit back and watch him go down that path. I think it just goes to show that Garrus really is his own person with his own thoughts and ideas.



Gar_Logan:

lol, the last sentence does work. Garrus will never live it down. XD But I agree, he definitely needed more dialogue, because there are some pretty big gaps where he doesn't say anything different. Which is disappointing because it's such a wasted opportunity. Still...I am glad he's an option in ME2 (as a squadmate and as a romance). I went ahead and added that to the ME3 wishlist, though, because it was definitely something that should be improved upon.

[Neria Rose]

So, please, is Garrus able to come up to your cabin before going through the omega relay? I can't seem to find how to invite him up.

[cedardryad]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Aren't the post-ending cuddles worth it though? ;3

I never got this. We did the deed and it went right into me entering the relay and getting on with the mission. Can someone tell me how to get that after the ending.

[real1dark1purple]

OH... MAH... GAAAAW....



This game is... mind-blowingly fantastic. I laughed so hard at all of the parts that were obvious BioWare fanservice. Man, I love them.



Kelly: I just want to hold him close and whisper, "Everything is going to be all right."

Shepard: I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Kelly: You two would make such a cute couple!

Me: YOU BET YOUR ASS.



XD Wow. This game is awesome. I got my sister into Garrus love, hurr~ She was going to romance Thane, but she was conflicted by Garrus's awesomeness when she found out he was an LI. I love this game. Best. Game. Ever. Everything. Combat. Graphics. Humor. Story. Fantastic.

[charles shepherd]

I loved Garrus in ME2. His personality was much more confident and substantial. I knew that Garrus would be a LI (knowing Bioware) but it was great to see that being confirmed. His romance dialogue and scenes were great. It's funny to think that Turians are turned off by humans, usually we think the opposite.  I also loved Mordin's chat about safe sex. I thought that Turians would be more allergic to humans, not the other way around.

Unfortunately, I was traumatized because I chose Miranda as the biotic shielder in the final mission, and when she failed, Garrus got dragged off by the swarm . Shepherd was really indifferent about that happening (considering he was her LI) and I really wanted him to be in the 3rd so I restarted the mission with better results. Needless to say, I was really, really worried about him during the final mission. Still couldn't keep Miranda alive though.

cedardryad wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Aren't the post-ending cuddles worth it though? ;3

I never got this. We did the deed and it went right into me entering the relay and getting on with the mission. Can someone tell me how to get that after the ending.

I found that just going on a planet (omega or citadel) and then coming back on board does the trick. Just go to the first floor and check right by your personal terminal.

EDIT: Did anybody else think that Garrus sounded really weird during combat? He sounds exactly like Tim Allen when he's shouting at you.

Modifié par charles shepherd, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[cedardryad]

Cool, thanks.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I'm a bit worried I might have messed up the potential romance with Garrus for my Renegade FemShep. She didn't have a LI in ME and after all the stuff they been through, Garrus being a permanent team member along with Ashley through ME and of course the stuff that happened in his recruitment in ME2, I figured it made sense for her to get feelings for him. Did his loyalty quest earlier and then when next had a chat with him he talked about the sparring that they did, I told him that I'd like to spar with him and it is the next choice where am worried i might've messed it up as I took the middle option where I reconfirmed that I'd like a fight, rather than the "thats not what I meant" option because I wasn't sure which way that was being said ie. whether it was saying "woah didn't mean I fancy you" or "I meant tussling with you in bed" kind of way



At the time I just let it slide, thinking I should still be ok but been thinking bout it more and wondering if I've just closed him off from my Femshep. Can someone tell me if I've messed it up please?

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

I'd find it quite difficult for BioWare to reroute them to cameo status.  The characters from ME1 that they did that with were all relatively weak in character in some ways.  Their friendship with you throughout the game wasn't as intense or as deeply entrenched as the friendship and bonds that you make with both Tali and Garrus.

If you follow the dialog of Tali and Garrus throughout both games as you play with them, they're on an entirely different level than any of the other characters in terms of trust and friendship.  For the Paragon path, these two put themselves above the rest because they'd follow you no matter what.  And in the case of ME2, despite Cerberus' backing, they prove exactly that.  Their trust in you, while not unshakeable, is fairly absolute.  You can't ask for better friends than that.

I played with both Kaidan and Garrus exclusively throughout ME1 and obviously had Kaidan as my LI.  In terms of friendship, he wasn't even remotely close to Garrus.  In ME2, Garrus' entire reaction to you is about as deeply as you can go given everything Shepard and him have been through.  To relegate him to a backseat would be complete folley on their part and I think they're sharp enough to realize that would be an extremely bad decision.

More than likely all of the characters you've befriended and played with throughout ME1 and ME2 will be major players within ME3 in one way or another.  I'm fairly confident though that Tali and Garrus will once again be party members though.  These two are the two best characters BioWare has ever made, and they know it.

[Schneidend]

charles shepherd wrote...

EDIT: Did anybody else think that Garrus sounded really weird during combat? He sounds exactly like Tim Allen when he's shouting at you.

I agree. Garrus sounded strange in combat. Perhaps it was because he was shouting, which he doesn't normally do?

[RiotLaFontaine]

Rioteous here. I just wanted to check in after finalling completing the game (with everyone alive too!). I'll have more to talk about in the coming days, especially about Garrus. Love him soooo much!!!



I will say this: based on the immediacy of the ending, and Garrus' dialogue, I fully expect him to be a squadmate in ME3. We'll have to rally for him regardless, but I think he'll be in.

[mamba 12]

Garrus is my OG homie. Definitely should be in 3.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I don't think it would make sense for the ME2 romances to be cameos. The only reason the ME1 ones were was because they would have been a distraction from meeting all of the new players. Why put the emphasis on gaining the trust of these new players (or becoming more familiar with old ones, in the case of Tali and Garrus), if they aren't going to be important later? Since ME3 is a conclusion to the story, it wouldn't make sense for it to be filled with mostly new faces again, thus wasting time getting to know -more- people when that time could be spent using your already loyal team to defeat the Reapers.



It seems to me that most of the people saying they won't be in ME3 are diehard fans of the ME1 romances that were upset with their treatment and want their misery to have company... But since the ME1 romances had a whole game before you could romance the ME2 ones, I'd say they're on even ground now. It just doesn't make sense to give preferential treatment to the first ones.



... In summary, Garrus has to be in ME3. He just has to! >_<

[Nyaore]

I don't really expect any of the squadmates from this game to come back as such in ME3 honestly, if only because it would be one hell of a task to even implement such an idea and it's often the most ambitious ideas that are left on the cutting room floor. Then again this IS Bioware we're talking about, so chances are they may very well be chomping at the bit to see if they can truly push the limit of their skills in order to make it work. I certainly hope that's the case, but I won't hold my breath.

That said however, if they can't all be implemented as squadmates I'd at least like them to have far more impressive cameos than the LI's from the first game got this time around. Liara had a lot of lines compared to the other two at least, but her inclusion still left me feeling unsatisfied at the end of the day. Hopefully we'll be able to continue our relationships with the ME2 LI's over the course of ME3 - even if they aren't a part of our squads. I'm totally fine with dragging whatever crew I assemble half way across the galaxy to visit Garrus for some quality time. >:3

[Eradyn]

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Rioteous here. I just wanted to check in after finalling completing the game (with everyone alive too!). I'll have more to talk about in the coming days, especially about Garrus. Love him soooo much!!!

I will say this: based on the immediacy of the ending, and Garrus' dialogue, I fully expect him to be a squadmate in ME3. We'll have to rally for him regardless, but I think he'll be in.

You're alive!

Yes, we must rally for Garrus. :3

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I reckon any party member from either game that makes it through to ME3 will be a potential party member or major role in ME3, well apart from Zaeed possibly, seeing as he was only really hired for the Suicide Mission. Can't see them dropping the LIs to cameos

[Neria Rose]

Okay, finished it, finally saw the cuddles! Soooo adorable!! I don't know if I'll ever exit this game >.>..

[RiotLaFontaine]

Eradyn wrote...

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Rioteous here. I just wanted to check in after finalling completing the game (with everyone alive too!). I'll have more to talk about in the coming days, especially about Garrus. Love him soooo much!!!

I will say this: based on the immediacy of the ending, and Garrus' dialogue, I fully expect him to be a squadmate in ME3. We'll have to rally for him regardless, but I think he'll be in.

You're alive!

Yes, we must rally for Garrus. :3

I am

Part of my reasoning is also based on variables.  I mean, surviving ME1 cast + surviving ME2 cast as squadmates = less variables than both of those cast as cameo roles (a necessity for ME3) plus 8-10 new members. 

[SuiteAces]

As a girl gamer I am glad to know I'm totally not alone in having a massive crush on Garrus "Sexy Gunship Slayer" Vakarian.  My boyfriend thinks I'm bloody nuts for finding him incredibly attractive.  Whoever knew BW could make an alien that would be sexy, with a heart of gold, and badass to boot?  Spot on devs, spot on. 
Pretty please with whipcream and cherry on top, let me have my happy ending with him in ME3.  

Modifié par Rannin, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:33 .