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[Benndak]

Good sir Ravenstar, I agree wholeheartedly. But simply not buying the game is far too subtle! I have enormous charisma, of course, having organized a rebellion against bioware's refusal to include duncan's beard in dragon age - and I will, indeed, have my torch ready should they defy the public's wishes.

[BlindBay7]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I do agree about him being a hilarious badass. I think Garrus has some of the funniest lines in the entire game. He's got quite a sharp, sarcastic wit.

Wish there were more lines though, "I really need to calibrate the Nomandy's guns..." or something.....how long does that take Garrus???

[ThatDancingTurian]

I wish that calibrating thing would change after you've unlocked all of his convos. At least then there'd be some closure with him. I mean once you've got Grunt's loyalty instead of saying 'humans talk too much' he talks about how he has everything he needs.

[Gar_Logan]

Garrus is underdeveloped. He needs more lines. Smaller team in ME3 preferrable.



....Dammit Mordin.



Okay, back to actual sentences. Garrus is extremely underdeveloped in Mass Effect 2. And this is HORRIBLE, because his character is one of the ones that really evolves in the two year hiatus. Unfortunately, you don't get much to explore in this. You're given his loyalty quest which solves his team's death, but you don't get much more than that. You get a small story from life in the Turian military, but only females can take anything...erm...more after that. *ahem*



Here's hoping for an actual character in ME3. While ME1 love interests will probably be more developed in the place of normal squad mates, you can always hope...



I said hope dammit. Keep hoping.



At least give him more "no talking right now" lines. Nobody calibrates guns that long. It's impossible.

[Benndak]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I wish that calibrating thing would change after you've unlocked all of his convos. At least then there'd be some closure with him. I mean once you've got Grunt's loyalty instead of saying 'humans talk too much' he talks about how he has everything he needs.

Aye, it very much confused me. I always liked Jacob's the best - which is why it saddened me when he died in the first savegame I played. Never got to share that drink. ;_;

[ComTrav]

My first Shepard is male Paragon Adept.



Second Shepard (where I'm playing now) is female renegade infiltrator. I did the Kaidin romance in ME1 just to see if there was more to his character, but I'm not going to get torn up over dumping him. (That's not very RENEGADE!) It's between Thane and Garrus, and I haven't decided yet...(though I'm clearly loading the dice by posting this here...) I like the comrade-in-arms dynamic with Garrus, but I'm not sold on the romance yet.



Garrus-mancers, make your case!

[charles shepherd]

Btw guys, just be glad you didn't lose Garrus to the swarm like I did when you went through the suicide mission for the first time:



I was so horrified I had to restart the mission right there and then. I was expecting Shepherd to dive after him right there and then, but she didn't do anything. I was even more disturbed about her indifference right after, considering I had romanced him.

This was my reaction, pretty much (0:24):



EDIT:

Also, regarding the gun recalibrating thing, I wish there was an interrupt option for  forcing him to talk about something else.

Garrus: Um, can we talk later? I need to cali-
Shepherd: NO!!
Garrus: o_o

Modifié par charles shepherd, 09 février 2010 - 06:43 .

[Gamine]

Would you believe I signed up for the forums and jumped through the registration hoops just so I could post about how much I love this thread and everyone who posts in it...it's 1:30 am and Advice Garrus is making me giggle like an idiot.



Well, perhaps I've got an ulterior motive..I think I triggered Garrus's romance thread a little early (like I wasn't going to do his loyalty mission first..and I was afraid if I didn't set it in motion right when the dialogue appeared, I wouldn't get another shot at it) and thus missed out on a lot of his chatter, since all he ever does now is talk about our impending booty call. I figured once we did the deed he'd revert back to his old self, but it's the post-game now and he still only talks about "blowing off steam"...like it never happened! (ouch, Garrus, my ego). Heck, I even miss hearing about calibrating guns and such...did I do something wrong here or is Garrus just woefully under dialogued? I feel like I got a ton more chatter out of all the other characters...

[ComTrav]

EbolaLola wrote...

Would you believe I signed up for the forums and jumped through the registration hoops just so I could post about how much I love this thread and everyone who posts in it...it's 1:30 am and Advice Garrus is making me giggle like an idiot.

Well, perhaps I've got an ulterior motive..I think I triggered Garrus's romance thread a little early (like I wasn't going to do his loyalty mission first..and I was afraid if I didn't set it in motion right when the dialogue appeared, I wouldn't get another shot at it) and thus missed out on a lot of his chatter, since all he ever does now is talk about our impending booty call. I figured once we did the deed he'd revert back to his old self, but it's the post-game now and he still only talks about "blowing off steam"...like it never happened! (ouch, Garrus, my ego). Heck, I even miss hearing about calibrating guns and such...did I do something wrong here or is Garrus just woefully under dialogued? I feel like I got a ton more chatter out of all the other characters...

He is, sadly, under-dialogued. And all the romance-able characters have the problem of talking about getting together in the future, even if you can call them up to the cabin.

(Sigh, Miranda...be by when things are quiet, huh? I'VE DONE EVERY MISSION IN THE GAME, not much quieter then that...)

[RiouHotaru]

ComTrav wrote...

My first Shepard is male Paragon Adept.

Second Shepard (where I'm playing now) is female renegade infiltrator. I did the Kaidin romance in ME1 just to see if there was more to his character, but I'm not going to get torn up over dumping him. (That's not very RENEGADE!) It's between Thane and Garrus, and I haven't decided yet...(though I'm clearly loading the dice by posting this here...) I like the comrade-in-arms dynamic with Garrus, but I'm not sold on the romance yet.

Garrus-mancers, make your case!

Hmmm...well now, make a case, hm?  Alright then, since this is a relationship standpoint, and NOT a gameplay standpoint...*cracks knuckles*

Re: Thane Romance
First off, be aware that you're getting into an already tragic relationship, and prepare for much tears and wanting to fix the broken thing.  Thane has remarkable calmness and serenity, because he has accepted his own inevitable death.  On top of that, his dead (murdered) wife and estranged son do add some significant emotional baggage to the mix.  Still, Thane is a remarkably serene person, and is quite the gentleman to all those interested FemSheps, treating you with respect and courtesy like the men of olden days.

Re: Garrus Romance
Poor Garrus.  He's off to a bad start with those scars (though you might consider them a mixed blessing), and the fact you have to wait till after his loyalty mission to even begin flirting with him.  Still Garrus bring something totally different to the field than any of the other LIs.  First, the fact that he's a totally different species, complete with dissimilar biology and anatomy (We STILL don't know what all parts he has >_> ), and the fact his relationship is founded on the basis of trust and loyalty.  He finds Shepard attractive/worth the risk because of the fact it's you, his commanding officer, his one true friend.  Admittedly, he has no experience with humans (He admits to never having considered cross-species intercourse), but he wants to try it with you, because he respects and admires you.  And he desperately wants to have something in his life go the right way for once.

That's about all the analysis I can give at the moment.

[ThatDancingTurian]

ComTrav wrote...

My first Shepard is male Paragon Adept.

Second Shepard (where I'm playing now) is female renegade infiltrator. I did the Kaidin romance in ME1 just to see if there was more to his character, but I'm not going to get torn up over dumping him. (That's not very RENEGADE!) It's between Thane and Garrus, and I haven't decided yet...(though I'm clearly loading the dice by posting this here...) I like the comrade-in-arms dynamic with Garrus, but I'm not sold on the romance yet.

Garrus-mancers, make your case!

Well, obviously if you're renegade, the choice is Garrus; Thane is trying to repent for past deeds, but Garrus is okay with doing what needs to be done for the greater good. Paragons are in constant struggle to set a good example for Garrus. If you don't pull him out of his dark side during his loyalty mission, he'll undoubtedly keep his jaded outlook, making him perfect for a renegade FemShep.

On the other hand, Garrus is also the perfect option for a Paragon Shepard. She's got to remind him of his inner hero, help him be the man she knows is inside him. After his loyalty mission, it's apparent that he's finding himself again.

Regardless of allignment, Garrus is loyal to a fault. There's trust there, the perfect basis for a relationship.

And that is my (totally biased) opinion.

@charles shepard: That's HORRIFYING! Poor Garrus! So hard to watch...

@EbolaLola: The LIs seem to do that, repeat the pre-endscene dialogue afterwards. It's normal, don't worry.

[Gamine]

Ah, alright, thanks ComTrav and Aris! That's one less load off my mind..I have a tendency to over-analyze everything, when I was getting the super awkward advice talk from Mordin, I neglected the "I care about Garrus" option and just had him go straight into the er..instructions, and I was worried that would somehow mess with the plot. Seriously, for like, two hours that's all I could concern myself with. Did I mention I like to over-analyze?
ANYWAY, I guess I can just look up any Garrus chats I missed on Youtube or something. (:

Modifié par EbolaLola, 09 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Kim Shepard]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I have to remember to bring Tali into the Citadel with Shepard and Garrus next time. I haven't gone since I recruited her. And I'll get the chance to visit that turian who said he'll name his firstborn after Shepard.

I think Harkin is afraid of my Shepard now... After Garrus shot him, she said that she wouldn't have shot him in the leg. xD Before that, she told Jacob (I think it was Jacob) that a bullet in the head solves anything. She's a little Renegade, so every loyalty mission except Tali's so far has ended with her encouraging her teammates to go for the kill. o.o;

Not sure if it's also an option for Jacob, but Shepard says that to Jack when you let her shoot that other ex-subject.

It probably was Jack's mission. xD I think she told Jacob that they could spare the extra bullets, or something like that.

I haven't started a playthrough with my male Shepard yet. Does Garrus get anymore dialogue after his "reach and flexibility" story, or is that it? o.o;

@charles shepherd: An interrupt option to force them to talk would be awesome.

@EbolaLola: When I first saw that dialogue option, I chose the "I care about Garrus" one, and I was a little worried that Mordin wouldn't give the instructions after that, but it does give that as the next option too. xD

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think that's it for ManShep. It's a crime that he doesn't have more dialogue.



There's one thing I still don't get about that convo with Mordin... -Was- he mocking you? I got the feeling he was.

[MerchantGOL]

iam a bit disappointed in the garrus thread you guys have allowed the miranda thread to get more posts

[Collider]

Just passing this along, since this is a character thread.

http://social.biowar...908/polls/1975/



Also, the number Garrus conversations if you are male shepard does seem to be shorter than some other characters. Maybe it just has to do with the romance.

[Briallen]

charles shepherd wrote...

Btw guys, just be glad you didn't lose Garrus to the swarm like I did when you went through the suicide mission for the first time

That was exactly what happened to me on my first playthrough. To say I was horrified would be putting it mildly. There were tears, in fact. I reloaded immediately, of course!

I have to say I'm a bit alarmed by that YouTube video, though, since Samara is the one doing the biotic shield and it still fails. I thought that Samara was one of the only characters you could pick for that role and be assured of success? Unless maybe she wasn't loyal in that particular playthrough, or something.

[RiouHotaru]

ComTrav wrote...

My first Shepard is male Paragon Adept.

Second Shepard (where I'm playing now) is female renegade infiltrator. I did the Kaidin romance in ME1 just to see if there was more to his character, but I'm not going to get torn up over dumping him. (That's not very RENEGADE!) It's between Thane and Garrus, and I haven't decided yet...(though I'm clearly loading the dice by posting this here...) I like the comrade-in-arms dynamic with Garrus, but I'm not sold on the romance yet.

Garrus-mancers, make your case!

Hmmm...well now, make a case, hm?  Alright then, since this is a relationship standpoint, and NOT a gameplay standpoint...*cracks knuckles*

Re: Thane Romance
First off, be aware that you're getting into an already tragic relationship, and prepare for much tears and wanting to fix the broken thing.  Thane has remarkable calmness and serenity, because he has accepted his own inevitable death.  On top of that, his dead (murdered) wife and estranged son do add some significant emotional baggage to the mix.  Still, Thane is a remarkably serene person, and is quite the gentleman to all those interested FemSheps, treating you with respect and courtesy like the men of olden days.

Re: Garrus Romance
Poor Garrus.  He's off to a bad start with those scars (though you might consider them a mixed blessing), and the fact you have to wait till after his loyalty mission to even begin flirting with him.  Still Garrus bring something totally different to the field than any of the other LIs.  First, the fact that he's a totally different species, complete with dissimilar biology and anatomy (We STILL don't know what all parts he has >_> ), and the fact his relationship is founded on the basis of trust and loyalty.  He finds Shepard attractive/worth the risk because of the fact it's you, his commanding officer, his one true friend.  Admittedly, he has no experience with humans (He admits to never having considered cross-species intercourse), but he wants to try it with you, because he respects and admires you.  And he desperately wants to have something in his life go the right way for once.

That's about all the analysis I can give at the moment.

[ThatDancingTurian]

MerchantGOL wrote...

iam a bit disappointed in the garrus thread you guys have allowed the miranda thread to get more posts

Yeah, I think a lot of the Garrus fans get their talking out in the Garrus facebook chat.

RE: Garrus' Death

Has anyone had him die as second fire team leader? I -believe- that's where they have a 'last words' moment and I've always been curious to know what he says, but too saddened by the idea to actually try it.

[Kordras]

Anyone who doesn't like Garrus is clearly a racist.
Also, don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but Brandon Keener also does the voice for the American Sniper in Company of Heroes. It's just awesome to hear Garrus fight ****s.

EDIT: Wow, didn't realize that would be censored... Really bad Germans then.

Modifié par Kordras, 09 février 2010 - 07:41 .

[charles shepherd]

Briallen wrote...

charles shepherd wrote...

Btw guys, just be glad you didn't lose Garrus to the swarm like I did when you went through the suicide mission for the first time

That was exactly what happened to me on my first playthrough. To say I was horrified would be putting it mildly. There were tears, in fact. I reloaded immediately, of course!

I have to say I'm a bit alarmed by that YouTube video, though, since Samara is the one doing the biotic shield and it still fails. I thought that Samara was one of the only characters you could pick for that role and be assured of success? Unless maybe she wasn't loyal in that particular playthrough, or something.

I thought I was being so smart when they told me to choose a biotic person to hold the shield because I thought that they would be protecting the OTHER squad, not mine. I planned to bring Garrus and Samara with me because they're both the strongest teammates and I figured that if I brought Garrus with me, he couldn't die. Needless to say I was wrong  . I didn't cry, but seeing that coupled with the lack of eating and excersize of the past 2 days made me all shaky. It was comparable to seeing some kid get run over with a steamroller- that kind of "oh god NOOOO" feeling. I just hated how the ONE character I would sacrifice everybody else to save was the only one who got killed.

RE: Samara, she isn't loyal there. Look at her outfit, it's the pre-loyal red outfit.


EDIT: Regarding Garrus dying as the second team leader, I think it would be possible had somebody not done the Garrus loyalty mission. I really would like to see what he has to say though.

Am I the only one who finds it kind of odd how you have to gain Garrus' loyalty anyways? I can see how you could offend Tali at the beginning of the game, but I think Garrus, unless you didn't recruit him at all in ME1, would be automatically loyal by default. It's not like you can even offend him anyways. I chose the "Garrus, is that you" option when he was revealed for my renegade playthrough and Shep just apologizes for not being excited saying that s/he's just shocked to see him here.

Modifié par charles shepherd, 09 février 2010 - 07:46 .

[Kim Shepard]

The poor male Shepards. o_o; That was the first conversation I got right after his loyalty mission, and the only time he said anything before that was right after I recruited him. I'll just have to imagine male Shepard's response, which will probably involve bragging. xD I thought it sounded like Garrus was bragging.



I think Garrus must have asked Mordin about it when he said he was going to do some research. xD And he probably just wanted to make sure Shepard didn't die right before the suicide mission from an allergic reaction. I laughed when he said that he sent the info to Shepard's room though... Doesn't he know that Miranda, and possibly the Illusive Man, monitor these things?



If Garrus dies in my playthrough, I'm just going to reload immediately. D: But if he does, I'll try to remember his last words since I planned on making him second fire team leader. (For some reason, I thought he'd have a better chance of surviving as second team leader rather than first, but I also thought Samara wouldn't have any problems holding the barrier.)

[ThatDancingTurian]

Kordras wrote...

Anyone who doesn't like Garrus is clearly a racist.
Also, don't know if anyone mentioned it yet, but Brandon Keener also does the voice for the American Sniper in Company of Heroes. It's just awesome to hear Garrus fight ****s.

EDIT: Wow, didn't realize that would be censored... Really bad Germans then.

I haven't played that, but it might be nice hearing more of that awesome voice of his. Also, lol @ censoring really bad Germans...

@charles shepard: I keep her in red regardless, just looks better than the black IMO.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Kim Shepard wrote...

The poor male Shepards. o_o; That was the first conversation I got right after his loyalty mission, and the only time he said anything before that was right after I recruited him. I'll just have to imagine male Shepard's response, which will probably involve bragging. xD I thought it sounded like Garrus was bragging.

I think Garrus must have asked Mordin about it when he said he was going to do some research. xD And he probably just wanted to make sure Shepard didn't die right before the suicide mission from an allergic reaction. I laughed when he said that he sent the info to Shepard's room though... Doesn't he know that Miranda, and possibly the Illusive Man, monitor these things?

If Garrus dies in my playthrough, I'm just going to reload immediately. D: But if he does, I'll try to remember his last words since I planned on making him second fire team leader. (For some reason, I thought he'd have a better chance of surviving as second team leader rather than first, but I also thought Samara wouldn't have any problems holding the barrier.)

The idea of Garrus going to Mordin strikes me as even more hilarious than the Shepard/Mordin convo. Can you imagine? It would be epic.

I think the only way Garrus can die as a team leader is if he's not loyal, and since I doubt anyone -didn't- do his loyalty mission, that might be why I've never found out what he says.

On a side note, why is it that all of ManShep's LIs get involved in some type of dispute, but none of FemShep's do? I was expecting Jacob's distrust of Thane to come to a head eventually, but it never did.

[Shadow Paladin]

charles shepherd wrote...
Am I the only one who finds it kind of odd how you have to gain Garrus' loyalty anyways? I can see how you could offend Tali at the beginning of the game, but I think Garrus, unless you didn't recruit him at all in ME1, would be automatically loyal by default. It's not like you can even offend him anyways. I chose the "Garrus, is that you" option when he was revealed for my renegade playthrough and Shep just apologizes for not being excited saying that s/he's just shocked to see him here.

I think "loyalty" was a bit misleading in a couple cases. Tali and Garrus, for example, are about as loyal to Shepard as you can get from the getgo. I think of it more like "focused on the mission". Like Jacob says, everyone has unfinished business to finish up, or they won't be able to focus for the final run.

As was also mentioned, I haven't had him die at any point in the final mission (although that gut shot after the second team always gives me a good scare), so I haven't heard his "final words" if he dies as leader of the second team. But man, I don't think I could not do his loyalty quest AND deliberately try to get him killed during the mission.

Modifié par Shadow Paladin, 09 février 2010 - 07:59 .