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[Faerlyte]

Schneidend wrote...

charles shepherd wrote...

EDIT: Did anybody else think that Garrus sounded really weird during combat? He sounds exactly like Tim Allen when he's shouting at you.

I agree. Garrus sounded strange in combat. Perhaps it was because he was shouting, which he doesn't normally do?

I actually love Garrus' in battle dialog - cracks me up every time. To me it does sound like him though. He makes me feel giddy whenever I hear him announcing another kill. I think it's great. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

I did think some of it sounded odd, like not even the same VA. Maybe I was picking up enemy dialogue instead. I don't know.

[TheLonePolack]

Garrus is my bro. He's one of two original Mass Effect squadmates who can actually join you, and I used him a lot in the first one. I picked him for every mission after I got him, and also picked him to lead the other fire-team the first time around. Jacob led the second team, so Shepard, Garrus, and Miranda could finish the mission. Catching Garrus falling off the platform was pretty epic too.

[greatestjourney]

Garrus sounds weird in battle to me - his lines still crack me up, but at times it almost does seem like a different VA. Personally I can chalk it up to me always having someone violent in my other slot, so I think it rubs off of him. Of course, that doesn't account for him sounding like an utter cheerleader sometimes. When he goes "HEADSHOT!" I almost want him to follow up with "Go, Shepard!".





I'm skeptical about him being in ME3 as a full member, but it'd be nice to have him and Tali as the only ones to stick with you through everything. Mainly, I'm thinking of the fact that ME3 will have to consider 9 different romances, and if they decide on new characters, even more. Personally I'll be holding out for my space-wedding, but maybe my opinion will change after I beat 2. :\\

[Faerlyte]

I think that, regardless of what Bioware does, it's a mistake to not let certain characters return as squadmates in ME3. That's just how I feel about it. It'll be a serious blow to me because I looked forward to getting Garrus back in ME2 more than anything - it made my year practically, and with him being a romantic option on top of that I was ecstatic. I have a lot of emotional investment into him at this point, so losing him would be pretty devastating.

It has the potential to ruin the game for me. If the Mass Effect Universe were real and Garrus survived the suicide mission, which for many people he will, it's just unthinkable that he wouldn't join Shepard for the final confrontation. He and Tali are loyal to you to the core - they would be there if they were alive, so the fact that they might not be simply because they could die in someone's play through makes the whole thing seem contrived. It takes the fun out of having choices, which is what Bioware games are all about, because what's the point really?

Now I get to munch the scenery on this for the next two and a half years. *Sigh* It's a long wait. I think I'm going to be depressed now.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:22 .

[Xalena]

Heya thanks for answer ! I guess that will get this quest soon then... Omg I am in such worry if we will all survive in the end waaah!! Ugh especially Garrus...nevermind even if I screwed something, I ll play again because game is so ugh...



I wish that I meet someone like Garrus in real life x)! I can't believe how much I care for his char! My boyfriend looking at me strangely aswell haha. I can say that Garrus beats Alistair from Dragon Age too . For me Garrus and Femshep are one, they fullfill each other greatly. I hope my romance with him won't suffer or get hurt in any way because I romanced that terrible Kaidan(pink armor in the beginning of game, oh come on Bioware really lol xD). I wish to tell him: So Kaidan, that night meant to you? Well for me would mean soo much that you stayed no matter of what till end, you would get that nights every day then . Just like Garrus, damn he is with me no matter of what! In bad times you see who is real friend/lover. And about Tali, she is so great too!! She is like sis to me which I never had . Please Bioware, we are really all gratefull because you made our dreams true! We asking you like a God please give us more Garrus in ME3 as squadmate and more romancing and more more talking! For me you can make ME3 for 5 years just make it right and kickass!



and yes he sounds strange in combat, actually I found that voice like it is not his xD...anyway I am apologizing to Grunt in this way because I shooted him with gun yesterday by accident Garrus and his awsomeness is such distraction on battlefield

[ThatDancingTurian]

To me it just doesn't make sense plot-wise for Garrus not to be there. He (and everyone else on the team) is fully committed to this whole 'stopping the Reapers' thing. And seeing Shepard come back from the dead once, I'm not sure that old trick would even phase him now.

[andrewv42]

I swear, this guy is the best squad member. Cast a singularity today, and Garrus overloaded and absolutely destroyed everybody who stepped into it. I didn't even have to fire a shot throughout that combat scene! Just casted the singularity and Garrus did it all for me.

[OmbradelCerberos]

I love the writing in this game.

Garrus is the best example.

[Eradyn]

Yeah, I've mentioned it to others in the G-Chat how it's surprising, but touching, that the ME1 aliens who have everything to lose by you working with Cerberus are the most supportive of you, whereas the humans of ME1 are the most critical and hateful. Goes to show just how important and deep that friendship/camaraderie/love goes if they're willing to listen to what you have to say and then have faith in you.



I really hope BW will include these guys as potential squadmates in ME3, in spite of some people who might not have saved them. It SHOULD be about choice and living with the consequences (good or bad) of the decisions made, and these characters shouldn't have to suffer in depth or importance or representation because of it. The root of my concern, of course, is with how BW handled the ME1 squad (with the exception of Garrus and Tali of course), and how the others were kind of written to the sidelines. I'm hoping it all comes together in ME3 and we don't have to worry about the same thing happening with the ME2 squad.



As for Garrus' voice, it DOES sound like him...only he's actually shouting. We don't often hear Garrus shout so enthusiastically, but you can hear the range his voice has, especially when he's nervous during the second romance conversation.

[Prolefeed]

Faerlyte wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

charles shepherd wrote...

EDIT: Did anybody else think that Garrus sounded really weird during combat? He sounds exactly like Tim Allen when he's shouting at you.

I agree. Garrus sounded strange in combat. Perhaps it was because he was shouting, which he doesn't normally do?

I actually love Garrus' in battle dialog - cracks me up every time. To me it does sound like him though. He makes me feel giddy whenever I hear him announcing another kill. I think it's great. 

I chalk the difference in the sound to the fact that he's shouting at you during combat through a communicator.

The first time I heard him announce "Headshot!" I made him my permanent party member. And when I get a headshot, he tells me good job and it makes me feel fuzzy. :wub::wub:

Also: I LOVE how Garrus has become a Deadpan Snarker. I always knew he had it in him. And he's so smooth now.  Except with Shepard. YAY!!!

[Anthropophobic]

I think Garrus will be back in ME3. In my ending, I cut ties with Cerberus and had the Reapers on the doorstep of galactic civilization, so it wouldn't make sense for anyone to leave the crew unless they wanted to end up like Admiral Kahoku or the Protheans. Plus, the worst time to introduce a whole new cast in a trilogy would be the last game--we've already got a group of characters with back stories, unresolved personal problems, and room for character development. Also, if BioWare didn't bring back characters who could die in Mass Effect 2 (which is basically all of them), they would make a lot of the Garrus and Tali fans sad.



All this, combined with the fact that Mass Effect 2 basically seemed to be just setting the stage for Mass Effect 3, give me hope for Garrus's return as a squadmate.

[Prolefeed]

andrewv42 wrote...

I swear, this guy is the best squad member. Cast a singularity today, and Garrus overloaded and absolutely destroyed everybody who stepped into it. I didn't even have to fire a shot throughout that combat scene! Just casted the singularity and Garrus did it all for me.

Grr, Garrus is actually starting to anger me with his efficiency. My Sentinel took Sniper Rifles as her extra gun-option on the Collector ship, so now I'm just learning how to aim with the thing. And just when I have a headshot lined up, I get ready to pull the trigger, to find that GARRUS JUST SHOT HIM!! Seriously! And then I try to find another target, only to realize my party have taken out every single baddie not cowering in fear! (Seriously, Garrus/Thane and Garrus/Samara pairings make you untouchable. And Thane has this rather transfixing animation where instead of climbing onto crates (ala Shepard) he /leaps/ and lands on top of them in a crouch. It's absurdly attractive.)

[Madolin]

I think in ME3, your squad should be all who survived in ME2, and your old squad(who's still alive) from ME1, and maybe 2 or 4 new members.

That way all your bases are covered in romance and friendship.

...and us fangirls can continue to have awkward conversations and a romance with Garrus. XD

[Kandon_Arc]

Garrus is the ultimate bro. I dream about him and my Shep (also a kickass sniper) just going through the Omega underworld, putting scum down with my antimaterial rifle.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Eradyn wrote...

Yeah, I've mentioned it to others in the G-Chat how it's surprising, but touching, that the ME1 aliens who have everything to lose by you working with Cerberus are the most supportive of you, whereas the humans of ME1 are the most critical and hateful. Goes to show just how important and deep that friendship/camaraderie/love goes if they're willing to listen to what you have to say and then have faith in you.

I really hope BW will include these guys as potential squadmates in ME3, in spite of some people who might not have saved them. It SHOULD be about choice and living with the consequences (good or bad) of the decisions made, and these characters shouldn't have to suffer in depth or importance or representation because of it. The root of my concern, of course, is with how BW handled the ME1 squad (with the exception of Garrus and Tali of course), and how the others were kind of written to the sidelines. I'm hoping it all comes together in ME3 and we don't have to worry about the same thing happening with the ME2 squad.

As for Garrus' voice, it DOES sound like him...only he's actually shouting. We don't often hear Garrus shout so enthusiastically, but you can hear the range his voice has, especially when he's nervous during the second romance conversation.

I think for Garrus and Shepard, they've both moved past the point of thinking of each other as Human and Turrian and more like kindred souls.  What sets them apart from Kaidan and Ash from ME1 is that this process was well underway even before you hit Virmire.  Ash and Kaidan never really hit the same point.  Instead you spent more of your time trying to reassure them and help them cast away self doubts.

With Garrus, he didn't dwell so much on doubting himself.  Instead he doubted galactic society and felt bueracratic red tape causes far more harm than good.  Basically something every cop eventually has to learn to deal with.  Having grown up around plenty of cops in my family, I could really empathize with his point of view since I saw it firsthand growing up.

What many don't seem to understand is that out of the characters within ME1, Garrus and Tali hit a level of trust and respect that none of the others quite achieve.  And they do this before you hit Virmire.  While the others are willing to follow to the end and take on Sovereign, Tali and Garrus are the only two who trust you enough to follow you on faith alone.  And they do in ME2.

With that context in mind, they've become as integral to the story arc as Shepard and the Reapers are.  Whether they survive in the end or not is a different story.  I have no doubts they'll be in ME3 and have a huge role to play though.  The intricacy and depth of their characters is so complete, that I simply cannot envision BioWare tossing it out the window.

Wrex wasn't a big surprise.  He pretty much tells you at some point in ME1 what he intends to do.  Or rather your talks with him convinces him it's something to ponder.  Kaidan and Ash never really had the same impact that Tali and Garrus had.  Neither ever hit the level of trust that they really should have.  Heck, Jack hits a level of trust with you that dwarfs Kaidan/Ash completely.  As for Liara, she's presented as a very young and very naive girl who's swept up in events.  Her involvement in ME2 simply underscores that completely.

[RiouHotaru]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Yeah, I've mentioned it to others in the G-Chat how it's surprising, but touching, that the ME1 aliens who have everything to lose by you working with Cerberus are the most supportive of you, whereas the humans of ME1 are the most critical and hateful. Goes to show just how important and deep that friendship/camaraderie/love goes if they're willing to listen to what you have to say and then have faith in you.

I really hope BW will include these guys as potential squadmates in ME3, in spite of some people who might not have saved them. It SHOULD be about choice and living with the consequences (good or bad) of the decisions made, and these characters shouldn't have to suffer in depth or importance or representation because of it. The root of my concern, of course, is with how BW handled the ME1 squad (with the exception of Garrus and Tali of course), and how the others were kind of written to the sidelines. I'm hoping it all comes together in ME3 and we don't have to worry about the same thing happening with the ME2 squad.

As for Garrus' voice, it DOES sound like him...only he's actually shouting. We don't often hear Garrus shout so enthusiastically, but you can hear the range his voice has, especially when he's nervous during the second romance conversation.

I think for Garrus and Shepard, they've both moved past the point of thinking of each other as Human and Turrian and more like kindred souls.  What sets them apart from Kaidan and Ash from ME1 is that this process was well underway even before you hit Virmire.  Ash and Kaidan never really hit the same point.  Instead you spent more of your time trying to reassure them and help them cast away self doubts.

With Garrus, he didn't dwell so much on doubting himself.  Instead he doubted galactic society and felt bueracratic red tape causes far more harm than good.  Basically something every cop eventually has to learn to deal with.  Having grown up around plenty of cops in my family, I could really empathize with his point of view since I saw it firsthand growing up.

What many don't seem to understand is that out of the characters within ME1, Garrus and Tali hit a level of trust and respect that none of the others quite achieve.  And they do this before you hit Virmire.  While the others are willing to follow to the end and take on Sovereign, Tali and Garrus are the only two who trust you enough to follow you on faith alone.  And they do in ME2.

With that context in mind, they've become as integral to the story arc as Shepard and the Reapers are.  Whether they survive in the end or not is a different story.  I have no doubts they'll be in ME3 and have a huge role to play though.  The intricacy and depth of their characters is so complete, that I simply cannot envision BioWare tossing it out the window.

Wrex wasn't a big surprise.  He pretty much tells you at some point in ME1 what he intends to do.  Or rather your talks with him convinces him it's something to ponder.  Kaidan and Ash never really had the same impact that Tali and Garrus had.  Neither ever hit the level of trust that they really should have.  Heck, Jack hits a level of trust with you that dwarfs Kaidan/Ash completely.  As for Liara, she's presented as a very young and very naive girl who's swept up in events.  Her involvement in ME2 simply underscores that completely.

My dad's a cop, and actually did work a desk job before he retired, and yeah, the office politics were something that he hated.  He was once offered a position as Chief, but turned it down because he did NOT wish to be involved in the politics.

But yeah, ShadowWolf hit the nail on the head.  It's likely one of the reasons I like the Tali/Garrus romance even moreso than Thane/Jack, and certainly more than Miranda/Jacob.

For Tali, as a teenager, she has a heavy responsibility, and dealing with her father, and how people see her, she finds herself liking ManShep because he treats her like she's an actual, normal person.

For Garrus it's about that trust you have with someone you've worked with as closely as he has.  Someone you can depend on no matter what the circumstances.  And the fact that Shepard trusts him enough to want to be intimate with him is likely something totally new to him.  As Garrus himself states, it has nothing to do with him being a Turian or Shepard being a human.  It's about him being Garrus and her being Shepard.  Garrus wants to treat Shepard right, and wants to make her feel good.  It's extraordinarily touching.

[Faerlyte]

All this Garrus love makes me happy - nothing like having kindred spirits to talk to. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that Garrus and Tali show a degree of loyalty and trust that's a cut above all the other characters. For me I can't help but feel closer to them than any of the other squadmates from ME1 or ME2, and I do like most of the cast from ME2. But there's just something special about Garrus and Tali because of the history Shepard has with them.



Everyone here has made excellent points - it gives me hope at least that Bioware will do Garrus and Tali justice come ME3. The idea of building relationships with them, not over the course of one game, but two, really adds another degree of depth to their characters and the romantic aspect of them. It's more like a love story and less like a fling.



Only time will tell I guess.

[ThatDancingTurian]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

I think for Garrus and Shepard, they've both moved past the point of thinking of each other as Human and Turrian and more like kindred souls.

This. This is what makes the Garrus romance my favorite BioWare LI. They're just so in sync with each other, they know each other so much better than anyone else knows them.

I think it's very telling that when Shepard initiates the romance, Garrus says yes with barely a thought. It's only later after psyching himself out that he even thinks about the physical difference between them. It's like he didn't even see a human in front of him. He only saw Shepard, and he wanted Shepard.

[Eradyn]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

I think for Garrus and Shepard, they've both moved past the point of thinking of each other as Human and Turrian and more like kindred souls.

This. This is what makes the Garrus romance my favorite BioWare LI. They're just so in sync with each other, they know each other so much better than anyone else knows them.

I think it's very telling that when Shepard initiates the romance, Garrus says yes with barely a thought. It's only later after psyching himself out that he even thinks about the physical difference between them. It's like he didn't even see a human in front of him. He only saw Shepard, and he wanted Shepard.

This.  When Shepard breaches the subject with Garrus, he doesn't mention her humanity.  He says he respects her more than anyone else in the galaxy.  He jumps at the opportunity to be with her.  Then he psyches himself out, as you mention, and he's more aware of her humanity -- not because it disgusts him, but because he "knows she can find someone closer to home."  As if he can't believe she'd want to be with a scarred turian when she can find someone "better," more human.

[Annora]

I don't want someone closer to home, Garrus. I want you.



It was so touching, and so completely real. Love, friendship, and respect conquer all, even awkward inter-species intercourse. He's willing to do what it takes to help Shepard in both games, and he takes it a step further by trying his hardest to make her night with him as perfect as possible. He doesn't judge, he doesn't make anything a big issue, he trusts her implicitly and vice versa.



I was thinking about what Garrus must have felt when Shepard died. He quite clearly looks up to her, she's his hero throughout the first game, and her opinion means the world to him. To lose that... I can completely understand why he went underground and started shooting bad guys without remorse. The galaxy is a bad place, and his shining beacon of hope was gone... it broke my heart to hear him so tired and hopeless on Omega, and later when he tells you about Sidonis.



I loved Kaidan, but he didn't trust me anymore and that hurt. But then, here was one of the only people in the entire galaxy that I'd trust with my life accepting my sudden reappaerance and never once questioning my motives. Willing to go into the fires of Hell itself with me. It's little wonder I gave up Kaidan for Garrus.

[Eradyn]

Well put. That kind of loyalty, that level of friendship and mutual respect...and the evolution of all that into a very deep, loving, and meaningful relationship built on a foundation of trust...that's what puts this particular relationship head-and-shoulders above many others, I think. When he talked to her about Cerberus, it wasn't to lambaste her or deride or question her. He trusts her implicitly and he's there for her...when he brings up concerns with Cerberus, it's because he's worried for HER. That speaks volumes, especially when he, as an alien, far above and beyond the human ME1 crew, would have the right to come down on her for being associated with Cerberus. But no, he trusts her and he's there for her and he's concerned for her, and come hell and high water he'll stand by her side.



As Anastassia said, is it any wonder?

[RiouHotaru]

Anastassia wrote...

I don't want someone closer to home, Garrus. I want you. I want someone I can trust.

Edited for the purposes of further strengthening your argument. ;3