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[Splinter Cell 108]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Oh god, that second image took me by surprise. You know that thing where you sort of laugh with your mouth closed but don't quite snort and it makes your throat buzz? Yeah, that.

Turian collarbones are part of their body, though. Possibly size implies masculinity, similar to human broad shoulders? Turian armor tends to make it look even larger, and anyone who's played Dragon Age knows a thing or two about pauldrons.

I wouldn't think it was simply a masculine feature given Saren's being so.. small. And he's a generally tough-looking turian.

I've seen that picture, but since it's a concept I'm not sure how close that is to the current idea that BW has for turian anatomy, so I left in the theorizing just to be safe.

I think you're right about this but Saren appears to be a different type of Turian. He's not as tall as Shepard unlike the other Turians and he has those horns. I'd say there are different types of Turians but Sarent was around Sovereign for too long so it's also possible that he was altered.

[Prolefeed]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Oh god, that second image took me by surprise. You know that thing where you sort of laugh with your mouth closed but don't quite snort and it makes your throat buzz? Yeah, that.

Turian collarbones are part of their body, though. http://img20.imagesh...65269457203.jpg Possibly size implies masculinity, similar to human broad shoulders?

That is just concept art, though. After all, the difference between Garrus' collar and Saren's is pretty huge.

It could possibly be a mix of a body-part and the armor. Like, Turians have a noticeable collar, which the armor of someone like Saren would simply cover, no special protection. (I'm assuming Saren has an infiltrator/spy/sneak-tastic thing going on, and wears the lightest, least armored Turian armors available.) Garrus, however, is The Galaxy's Most Badass Turian, and so probably has both a slightly larger collar, and much thicker armor to cover it. In battle, particularly melee, that collar would most likely be a weak point. A good blow there, break the thing, I'd imagine the pain could easily debilitate a Turian. So, Garrus being more badass and combat-y, would have a lot more protection over his collar than Saren.

As for the masculinity thing; I could totally see that. After all, Garrus seems to have the largest collar of any Turian in Mass Effect. :wub:

[Gerse1]

lolz at...just...everything on page 84.

I have wondered about the collar often too. I had decided that it was purely clothing style, since on turian "everyday" wear (such as Garrus during romance scene) it is much smaller. I thought maybe they had such wide spaces in order to protect their...uh.."fringe" (is that what fringe refers to? the spike-ish things on their heads?) and give them plenty of space to turn their heads and move about. I also saw that concept art which made me wonder though. Speaking of female turians it would be interesting to see if they have them too, because if not then we could conclude it IS some sort of masculinity marker, like antlers or something.

Modifié par Gerse1, 12 février 2010 - 02:11 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Oh god, that second image took me by surprise. You know that thing where you sort of laugh with your mouth closed but don't quite snort and it makes your throat buzz? Yeah, that.

Turian collarbones are part of their body, though. Possibly size implies masculinity, similar to human broad shoulders? Turian armor tends to make it look even larger, and anyone who's played Dragon Age knows a thing or two about pauldrons.

I wouldn't think it was simply a masculine feature given Saren's being so.. small. And he's a generally tough-looking turian.

I've seen that picture, but since it's a concept I'm not sure how close that is to the current idea that BW has for turian anatomy, so I left in the theorizing just to be safe.

Going by Saren's concept art, though, it seems like he was originally older and less physical--the wiki page says it was supposed to emphasize his biotics. Might be a relic from that. Also, from a more utilitarian standpoint, a larger collarbone makes it harder to see the face; I realized this when I noticed that the game angles you to see Garrus from the right a lot, since the hole in his armor lets you see his whole face.

Saren's intimidation factor wasn't that he was really physically imposing (though with the smaller collar, he does look comically wide and squat compared to other turians) so much as his resources (geth, Sovereign, biotics, tech implants).

[ThatDancingTurian]

You know, one indication that it's not fully physiological is the fact that Garrus has a big hole in his collar and it's all metal in there...



Granted, it's difficult to see with all of the damage, but one would imagine he'd have bandages if there were actual physical damage there.

[Prolefeed]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

You know, one indication that it's not fully physiological is the fact that Garrus has a big hole in his collar and it's all metal in there...

Granted, it's difficult to see with all of the damage, but one would imagine he'd have bandages if there were actual physical damage there.

lol, somehow I managed to utterly overlook that.

I wonder why Turians have such built-up collars on their armor? Is it to protect the neck, while maintaining full head motion? That actually makes a bit of sense. When Garrus is sniping, if he just tucks his chin down, that reduces the visible target of his head by about half. And it is much smaller on the normal clothes.

Can we get some Dev-info up in here?

[siltsonata]

The collar doesn't look like it protrudes much in the front, though, so it seems like the clothing and armor probably just have high collars in the front for practical (armor) or aesthetic (clothing) reasons.

[Gamine]

Prolefeed wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

You know, one indication that it's not fully physiological is the fact that Garrus has a big hole in his collar and it's all metal in there...

Granted, it's difficult to see with all of the damage, but one would imagine he'd have bandages if there were actual physical damage there.

lol, somehow I managed to utterly overlook that.

I wonder why Turians have such built-up collars on their armor? Is it to protect the neck, while maintaining full head motion? That actually makes a bit of sense. When Garrus is sniping, if he just tucks his chin down, that reduces the visible target of his head by about half. And it is much smaller on the normal clothes.

Can we get some Dev-info up in here?

That makes sense, I can see that being the reason..
..but part of me hopes the only explanation they can offer is "because it looks cool" xD

[Prolefeed]

EbolaLola wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

You know, one indication that it's not fully physiological is the fact that Garrus has a big hole in his collar and it's all metal in there...

Granted, it's difficult to see with all of the damage, but one would imagine he'd have bandages if there were actual physical damage there.

lol, somehow I managed to utterly overlook that.

I wonder why Turians have such built-up collars on their armor? Is it to protect the neck, while maintaining full head motion? That actually makes a bit of sense. When Garrus is sniping, if he just tucks his chin down, that reduces the visible target of his head by about half. And it is much smaller on the normal clothes.

Can we get some Dev-info up in here?

That makes sense, I can see that being the reason..
..but part of me hopes the only explanation they can offer is "because it looks cool" xD

But if they aren't even sure what Turians look like with their clothes off, how can we EVER expect to see Shirtless Garrus? 

[enormousmoonboots]

Well, going by the concept art the collar is actually quite small; there's quite a lot of armor over it, look how much less collarbone Garrus has in his civvies. Missile just bit through the armor, just missed the actual flesh. My thinking is they armor it up for both protection and trying to look badass.



I figure it HAS to be physiological, since I have a lot of trouble buying that every single turian ever is making the same fashion statement.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Prolefeed wrote...

Can we get some Dev-info up in here?

Yes please! 

@siltsonata: It looks like it reaches at least the half-way point at the part where Garrus' is broken, though.

[Iokastos]

I'm curios...

How old is Garrus? 30ish?

Don't think it's stated anywhere

[siltsonata]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Prolefeed wrote...

Can we get some Dev-info up in here?

Yes please! 

@siltsonata: It looks like it reaches at least the half-way point at the part where Garrus' is broken, though.

Hm, I dunno.  It's a tough call.  I feel like Garrus's new armor in this game is super-bulky but I do sort of see where it could have gotten to his actual collar.


Bah....I second the Dev-info request. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Alright, if we look at Figure A., we'll see where the concept's collar would coincide with Garrus' injury. The red is the space in which the two coincide, known scientifically as the 'ouchie space'.



@Santiri_azz: I always assumed he was the equivalent of late-20s to early-30s.

[Shadow Paladin]

Santiri_azz wrote...

I'm curios...
How old is Garrus? 30ish?
Don't think it's stated anywhere

I don't know for sure, but I'd say 40 tops. Assuming he did standard turian military service until 30, that gives him 10 years of C-sec experience, which would seem about right. But, given that we know he left the military on his own terms, he probably left before 30 and I personally saw him as still fairly young in the first game given how gung-ho and hotheaded he still was when talking to Shepard.

[siltsonata]

I giggled at "ouchie space."

All right, if his collar is really that big then yeah, that should be an injury (a painful one too, I imagine...I interpret those collars to be mostly bone.) But maybe it's just my warped perspective...

Hm. Well, the diagram would fit if the skintight part of the armor itself isn't very thin. And it looks like it isn't, so....You know what, I'm still undecided. Pay no attention to me.

Modifié par siltsonata, 12 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[siltsonata]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I'd probably put him at late 20's, early 30's.

... If only the official site would get his dossier up. ;

INO RIGHT? <_< Damn.

[Iokastos]

*wants garrus dossier on official site*

[enormousmoonboots]

Age: No exact answer, but 'under 30' is decent enough for me.

Somewhat relatedly, confirmation that female turians do look different than male, and they have an approximately equal lifespan and gender ratio to humans.

Collarbone--hm, I admit I'm not really sure where he is under all that armor (and it kind of cracked me up that while your other squad members haven't shined up their martial prowess much, Garrus has learned to use heavy armor in the last two years). Those shoulderpads are pretty big, too.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 12 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[bushes289]

I always thought 24-26 in the first game, I can't see him as 40. Even in the second game he seems younger than that, he's to excitable for 40. Remember Thane is 39 and he's definetly younger than Thane.

Modifié par bushes289, 12 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[Faerlyte]

I see the Kaidan thread has caught up with Garrus. I will refrain from further commenting for the sake of diplomacy.

I'd like to know why Garrus only gets one pic too. It's a travesty, it is. Nice that they finally got the ME2 avatars up though.

Didn't somebody somewhere say that Garrus was only 22 in ME? I have no idea where they got their information though - 22 seems a bit young for all of his experience. I would say late 20s/early 30s too.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 12 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[siltsonata]

Either Garrus bulked up, his armor did, or both, cuz he's huge compared to what he was in the last game. In ME1 I was convinced that he was a pretty light fellow (Avian) and that Shepard could totally throw him if they ever got in a fight, but now I'm not so certain.

[aznsoisauce]

Santiri_azz wrote...

I'm curios...
How old is Garrus? 30ish?
Don't think it's stated anywhere

I like to think Garrus is in his 30's but that's just because I don't see my Shep as a cougar. 

But in ME1 I couldn't help but feel like Garrus is younger than Shepard. How much younger, I can't say. In ME2, though, their maturity and experience seems to be more in sync. Man, being dead for 2 years sure was convenient...

[Splinter Cell 108]

siltsonata wrote...

Either Garrus bulked up, his armor did, or both, cuz he's huge compared to what he was in the last game. In ME1 I was convinced that he was a pretty light fellow (Avian) and that Shepard could totally throw him if they ever got in a fight, but now I'm not so certain.

Well we saw what he did to Harkin. Plus Harkin looked so small next to him. I'm pretty sure Garrus could take down Shepard or at least give him a good fight.