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[samuelkaine]

Back then we had opinions as well, but we also had tact.

[Bishamonten]

It comes down to a question of resources, I suspect. 

 

Going back to Baldur's Gate, you weren't spending resources on voice-acting, cinematics, and combat/dialogue both occurred from a top down viewpoint. That's a bit of a resource-saver. 

 

Of course, Baldur's Gate (1 at least), which had a greater emphasis on open world, did have some narrative issues and non-existent character interactions. I actually think DA:I is a (mostly) success story in terms of combining open world and narrative depth.  

It does not justify making a false dichotomy assuming open world = less story.  Besides, how much depth a game like everquest next and star citizen will have in it will truly decide whether it comes down to resources or not, and even whether this is mainly a problem of poor resource allocation.

If a company does not handle it's resources properly, then one should not blame the open world feature because it is open world.

[Bishamonten]

It comes down to a question of resources, I suspect. 

 

Going back to Baldur's Gate, you weren't spending resources on voice-acting, cinematics, and combat/dialogue both occurred from a top down viewpoint. That's a bit of a resource-saver. 

 

Of course, Baldur's Gate (1 at least), which had a greater emphasis on open world, did have some narrative issues and non-existent character interactions. I actually think DA:I is a (mostly) success story in terms of combining open world and narrative depth.  

It does not justify making a false dichotomy assuming open world = less story.  Besides, how much depth a game like everquest next and star citizen will have in it will truly decide whether it comes down to resources or not, and even whether this is mainly a problem of poor resource allocation.

If a company does not handle it's resources properly, then one should not blame the open world feature because it is open world.  That is illogical

[keyip]

It does not justify making a false dichotomy assuming open world = less story.  

 

Open world games don't mean "less story." It means less depth can be afforded to each aspect of the game because of a) budget limitations or b ) tech limitations. That or you have huge pieces of emptiness in the game.

[ORTesc]

Open world games don't mean "less story." It means less depth can be afforded to each aspect of the game because of a) budget limitations or b ) tech limitations. That or you have huge pieces of emptiness in the game.

 

I'm okay with emptiness. Keep the quality quests. Honestly, if the decision was between 90 hours of fetch quests and 20 hours of quality, I'm going with quality all day. Smaller detailed worlds are often better than large open worlds. And I still don't buy this idea that this is just the nature of the open world beast. It's still lazy game development.

[Scerene]

if you think this game is fantastically awesome why are you even in this thread? The same people keep posting over and over to "set us detractors straight", we get it, you love the game. Youre calling us this or that hurling plenty of insults while insisting we are spoiled, entitled and immature. Im a perfectionist who works very hard and expects nothing to be handed to me on a silver platter. Making assumptions about somebody based on their video game preferences is just silly. The whole wise sagely "good old days" cowboy act is getting stale. I get it, you are cool, wise and manly,for being able to "find your own way" and "make your own story"

When there is no interesting story to follow its just not engaging for the type of player looking for a storydriven game, of which there are many btw. It doesnt matter what we say, but sharing our opinions with other forumites is hardly some cardinal sin. Tbh bioware has been deliberetely misleading people. I knew for example that tactical cam was nothing but a farce, but a lot of people clearly fell for it. They lied that the game was made for the pc, when this is easily their worst optimized for the pc. Theyve mentioned stories and engaging choices where there are none and keep customization where there is none They made extremely far fetched claims about the length and impact of the main story on the game etc etc. I think they were expecting this fallout and thought it was worth it because as you yourselves say they wanted a new direction and were shedding their former customer base.

 

oh and please, comparing what bioware is doing to bethesda  . The problem is that bioware has haphazardly skimmed over the most popular features in other games and then insisted on making shallow implementations of those in their own. Just about every rpg company under EA have attempted to stay "ahead of the curve" by following this pattern and they are all closed down now   

[ORTesc]

I still like how these people have been on here defending this game since it released. If it's so good why are you even here talking about it? Shouldn't you be playing your awesome new game? Some even admit to never playing it...

[Deepsetsoul]

OP should have known better.

 

This forum has more fanboys than any forum I have ever been on.

Bioware is perfect, they make no mistakes. Going place to place clicking on **** with no lore or dialogue behind it is story content to them.

[Deepsetsoul]

Also you cannot be entitled for expecting more from a game you paid for.

Bioware didnt do any of us a favor. They sold us a game. They got paid. I dont owe them anything.

[keyip]

I'm fairly certain the only person who's mentioned the word "entitled" in this thread is Scerene. I'm not certain about it, but if this is the case you're arguing against a strawman.

[Swimm]

You must disabuse yourself of the notion that features are added to "stretch game length". That, quite simply, doesn't happen.

 

 

Wrong...Its likely after they finished the story they realized it was rather short.. Most games now resort to this sorry tactic and forgo a long rich story driven game

 

 

Arkham Batman games, Assassins Creed, now Dragon Age, etc   are  all of guilty of this.  The main story can be beaten rather  quickly ,so the illusion is made that the game is much bigger than it is, by throwing  nonsensical fetch quests and collecting items.

 

Thats why the first Dragon Age is still the best in the series cause they didn't try to fill the game to the brim with pointless nonsense.

 

 

[tmp7704]

I still like how these people have been on here defending this game since it released. If it's so good why are you even here talking about it? Shouldn't you be playing your awesome new game? Some even admit to never playing it...

"If this food is so good why aren't you spending 24/7 on nothing but eating it? Hypocrite"

spoiler: it's possible to like more than one thing in life, and divide your time between these things.

[Tsunami Chef]

if you think this game is fantastically awesome why are you even in this thread? The same people keep posting over and over to "set us detractors straight", we get it, you love the game. Youre calling us this or that hurling plenty of insults while insisting we are spoiled, entitled and immature. Im a perfectionist who works very hard and expects nothing to be handed to me on a silver platter. Making assumptions about somebody based on their video game preferences is just silly. The whole wise sagely "good old days" cowboy act is getting stale. I get it, you are cool, wise and manly,for being able to "find your own way" and "make your own story"

Okay. If you don't hate Bioware you shouldn't post in threads on their forum. I forgot the forum for a company is only meant for people bashing it.

 

If you want to go somewhere where you can freely bash something without anyone ever disagreeing with you or calling you immature for acting like a company committed a crime for making a game you don't like, you probably shouldn't do it on their public forums. Maybe make a "I hate Dragon Age Inquisition" site so you can make post after post about how bad it is.

 

You're really surprised people who like the company as well as the game the forum is dedicated to might defend the people who made it from incessant attacks? It seems pretty obvious people who dislike the game are going into every possible thread that has an inkling of positivity and shitting on the people for liking it. With great lines like "give me some of what your smoking" and "are you high" when people say they enjoyed the sidequests and overall game. If the people who disliked the game could manage to possibly display their distaste in a way that wasn't insulting to Bioware, and maybe put these complaints into a few threads instead of creating topic after topic about how bad the game was...maybe people who liked the game wouldn't feel the need to come in here?

[tmp7704]

Arkham Batman games, Assassins Creed, now Dragon Age, etc   are  all of guilty of this.  The main story can be beaten rather  quickly ,so the illusion is made that the game is much bigger than it is, by throwing  nonsensical fetch quests and collecting items.
 
Thats why the first Dragon Age is still the best in the series cause they didn't try to fill the game to the brim with pointless nonsense.

This is especially hilarious, since I vaguely remember some BW person(s) admitting the chantry board and such junk in DAO were precisely a result of some devs freaking out they didn't have enough quests in the game, and coming up with these as stop-gap solution.

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

[Tsunami Chef]

This is especially hilarious, since I vaguely remember some BW person(s) admitting the chantry board and such junk in DAO were precisely a result of some devs freaking out they didn't have enough quests in the game, and coming up with these as stop-gap solution.

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

Pshh what are you talking about. DA:O had a complex, deep, and compelling story, breathtakingly tactical combat, immersive well designed side quests, and no fetch quests or filler to speak of. Blasphemer.

[keyip]

Heh, I remember back when Origins was released it was being mocked for stealing a shitload of stuff from The Witcher, Lord of the Rings and a shitload of other stuff.

[Swimm]

This is especially hilarious, since I vaguely remember some BW person(s) admitting the chantry board and such junk in DAO were precisely a result of some devs freaking out they didn't have enough quests in the game, and coming up with these as stop-gap solution.

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

 

All you did was prove my point. Inquisition is  loaded with terrible side quests, and menial collecting and fetch quests.

 

But funny how you couldn't address my full point.  Menial side quests and fetching is fine as long as it doesn't interfere with the Quality of the games main story. It in no way  actually interfered with the quality and length DA:O

 

I also remember there being some pretty good side quests in DA:O

 

 

On the other hand Inquisition clearly suffered.

[tmp7704]

All you did was prove my point. Inquisition is  loaded with terrible side quests, and menial collecting and fetch quests.

I never argued with that part. I was objecting to the view that DA is "now (..) guilty of this", as in, it only "now" started with DAI and DAO was soooo much better because it had none of that. When it's something that the series included from the start and for the very reason you name as bad. (the desire to fill the game with more content)

[AllThatJazz]

I still like how these people have been on here defending this game since it released. If it's so good why are you even here talking about it? Shouldn't you be playing your awesome new game? Some even admit to never playing it...

 

Tons of reasons. People might be at work, so while they are free to post on forums during breaks/lunch hours, they don't have access to the game. People might be travelling, and unless they are hauling a gaming laptop around everywhere with them they can't play. They can post using a phone or tablet, though. Or they might be staying with relatives/on holiday. Others might be waiting for a patch to play further that fixes a specific issue (gender/voice bug for example).  Me, I'm at home with a poorly daughter. Slapping on the headphones and playing video games is pretty bad form since she may need me, but I can do a bit of forum posting while she naps. I'll play later, when my husband is home and the girls are in bed.

 

Also, I see plenty of negative posts on positive threads, so why would you not see the reverse? It is supposed to be a discussion forum rather than an echo chamber, after all. Lots of room for everyone's opinions.

 

OT I disagree. There are lots of ways to play that complement individual playstyles. Like fighting? Concentrate on closing rifts and trying to take down bosses and dragons (gets lots of power). Like micromanaging? War Table. Like story? Main area side quests, companion quests and main story. Like exploring? Run around finding bits of lore and dungeons and doing little sidequests related to those. Like collectathons? Shards/bottles/mosaic pieces etc. Like MMO stuff? Do bits of all these plus requisitions. Completionist? Do it all. You aren't forced to do absolutely everything in order to progress.

 

Main story is about the same length as DAO, it just feels shorter because it's wrapped in a bigger game. Could Bio have done more main story? Sure, but they didn't. Since I'm pacing myself very well through the game, this isn't a problem for me, it doesn't feel like 'one long fetch quest' at all. The companion quests are waaay better than DAO, which were all terrible apart from Morrigan's. There are also sidequests that aren't fetch quests. 

[ioannisdenton]

lock this thread already. it offers nothing usefull, it contributes zero critisicm at this point.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

if you think this game is fantastically awesome why are you even in this thread?

 

If you're not open to discussion and alternate views about a topic, why even make a thread?

 

This is not exclusive to the Bioware forums or any game that they make. In every forum there's a group of people that just want to rant and attack something, then they get annoyed when people feel differently. This really isn't anything new to the internet, and no new exciting revelations are being brought to the table. We get it, you don't like it because X or Z. Regardless of the reasons you give, it isn't going to change it to Y, or change anyone's opinions about X or Z. 

 

The fact that those who dislike the game feel everyone else who does should just bugger off shows how infantile the whole thing is. It's just about some people wanting to rant. /yawn

[Scerene]

Its never a bioware launch without conspiracy theories, next should be the lawsuit discussion followed by some petitions.

these are not conspiracy theories, it came from the mouths of the devs themselves. Have you even watched the twitch streams`? or read any of the interviews on gamespot? it doesnt seem like you have. As others have mentioned we paid premium price for this, on the basis of lots of bullshittery. Ive never before written any criticism on bioware's decisions. Clearly anything critical anybody says is false or a conspiracy to you 

[Scerene]

If you're not open to discussion and alternate views about a topic, why even make a thread?

 

This is not exclusive to the Bioware forums or any game that they make. In every forum there's a group of people that just want to rant and attack something, then they get annoyed when people feel differently. This really isn't anything new to the internet, and no new exciting revelations are being brought to the table. We get it, you don't like it because X or Z. Regardless of the reasons you give, it isn't going to change it to Y, or change anyone's opinions about X or Z. 

 

The fact that those who dislike the game feel everyone else who does should just bugger off shows how infantile the whole thing is. It's just about some people wanting to rant. /yawn

ive been told about a million times i shouldnt have made the thread. It doesnt matter how i phrase anything. I keep being told that people who are critical are infantile or whiny etc etc simply for having critical opinions. The people who come to "defend" the  game only come to tell us to stop criticizing it and not to offer a different view point- hell you are doing it yourself. What is it that you are seeing in the game that im not? give me a suggestion as to how i could look at it differently, what is your take on it?