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[Vox Draco]

Thats why the first Dragon Age is still the best in the series cause they didn't try to fill the game to the brim with pointless nonsense.

 

Well I won't disagree with Origins being the best but for very different reasons than the non-existant fetch-quests (simply a sign of selective memories if you believe this) ... because I cleary remember some Chantry-Board and other time-filling activities with less to none story to back it up. At least not more story than in DAI ... well well ...and I'd rather do the shards-quest in DAI again than ever step another foot into the fade-part of DAO ...

[Dandynermite]

100% Agree with OP. If they slashed the maps substantially, scrapped Multiplayer altogether and focused on the story the game would have been so so so much better

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

ive been told about a million times i shouldnt have made the thread. It doesnt matter how i phrase anything. I keep being told that people who are critical are infantile or whiny etc etc simply for having critical opinions. The people who come to "defend" the  game only come to tell us to stop criticizing it and not to offer a different view point- hell you are doing it yourself. What is it that you are seeing in the game that im not? give me a suggestion as to how i could look at it differently, what is your take on it?

 

You want me to give a different take on the game, while the previous post you were questioning why people who like the game are even here at all. At least remain consistent with your theme if you want people to take it seriously. It's not surprising that the thread devolved into mindless bickering back and forth. The reason why people most likely told you that you shouldn't have made the thread is because it's not that constructive. Most forums I go to have a stickied thread for user reviews and what not, and then lock or delete new threads on the topic. I don't know why they don't do that on this forum. Some people create impression threads with decent enough intentions, but some of them are just doomed from the start, like this one.

 

Like it or not, it's one persons opinion, and it doesn't really carry any weight. If you really wanted to discuss it, you certainly have a lot of things to say to the contrary.

[Gibbaddy]

Having read the walls of text all i can say is;

 

Dont like em? Dont do em. 

 

Certain missions/quests/errands do seem trivial and mindless. Others seem more important. But that's a personal taste thing. My inquisitor certainly can find the time to locate mysterious shards to open a mysterious vault in a far away place. He cannot (and will not) find the time to fetch a farmers missing druffalo. Bigger fish to fry i'm afraid Mr Farmer. 

[Maverick827]

Well I won't disagree with Origins being the best but for very different reasons than the non-existant fetch-quests (simply a sign of selective memories if you believe this) ... because I cleary remember some Chantry-Board and other time-filling activities with less to none story to back it up. At least not more story than in DAI ... well well ...and I'd rather do the shards-quest in DAI again than ever step another foot into the fade-part of DAO ...

The Fade in Inquisition was way worse than the Fade in Origins in my opinion. It was just a chore to go through for me. I really wish they would stop making Fade sequences with combat. The Fade should be mysterious and full of weird riddles and puzzles, not just more of the same.

[ORTesc]

these are not conspiracy theories, it came from the mouths of the devs themselves. Have you even watched the twitch streams`? or read any of the interviews on gamespot? it doesnt seem like you have. As others have mentioned we paid premium price for this, on the basis of lots of bullshittery. Ive never before written any criticism on bioware's decisions. Clearly anything critical anybody says is false or a conspiracy to you 

 

This is said on every forum on the internet when someone is losing an arugment. They simply call you a tin foil hat or conspiracy theorist. It's a straw man tactic used to offer a response while completely avoiding the statement made.

 

It means you're right and that's why Lebo dude hasn't returned.

[Scerene]

You want me to give a different take on the game, while the previous post you were questioning why people who like the game are even here at all. At least remain consistent with your theme if you want people to take it seriously. It's not surprising that the thread devolved into mindless bickering back and forth. The reason why people most likely told you that you shouldn't have made the thread is because it's not that constructive. Most forums I go to have a stickied thread for user reviews and what not, and then lock or delete new threads on the topic. I don't know why they don't do that on this forum. Some people create impression threads with decent enough intentions, but some of them are just doomed from the start, like this one.

 

Like it or not, it's one persons opinion, and it doesn't really carry any weight. If you really wanted to discuss it, you certainly have a lot of things to say to the contrary.

if you keep telling me that you dont like something and that it shouldnt exist but insist on aknowledging its presence,why? thats what i mean, how many times do i have to repeat that to you? the only time i phrased it in a way that it can be interpreted that way is in one post, and thats because i got tired of explaining it over and over. One person even asked it to be locked for no apparent reason, when he could simply choose to not click on it. Oh and dont kid yourself, every thread that anybody makes discussing the games weak points has the same white knights rushing to it ready to take up arms and hurling insults telling people to shut up because they dont have a shrine dedicated to bioware in their closet., theyve pretty much *all* devolved into bickering. I tried to start a civilized discussion with you which you responded to with patronization  With your line of thinking everything is only one persons opinion so there is no point in talking about anything   Whats the point in starting any thread, or sharing any thoughts? btw ive gotten quite a few likes, and many people in the thread agree with me, so its hardly only one persons opinion , the various threads on the same subject have people liking them and sharing their agreement as well. It seems only thoughts and opinions that you dont share are "only one persons opinion" and  shouldnt be shared, or shared under your very specific prerequisites.

[Scerene]

This is said on every forum on the internet when someone is losing an arugment. They simply call you a tin foil hat or conspiracy theorist. It's a straw man tactic used to offer a response while completely avoiding the statement made.

 

It means you're right and that's why Lebo dude hasn't returned.

haha yes, i was thinking that. S/he had no answer for me but responded with a pointless cop out devoid of substance to derail the subject 

[Zewks]

 

 

Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that many of us simply do not enjoy this kind of gameplay? I do not like exploring for the sake of exploring, or collecting stuff. 

 

Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that many of us simply DO enjoy this kind of gameplay? I do like exploring for the sake of exploring.

 

Why should Bioware cater to YOU instead of me? Or vice versa. Shouldnt they design a game that tries to make us BOTH happy?

 

If DAI was void of any story or RP, you would have more of a valid arguement. But since DAI is a mix of MANY different things, you come across like a youngster who is upset that there are vegetables on your plate along side your cheeseburger. When gamers learn that games arent going to be 100% designed specifically for them, then they can actually enjoy the game for what it is and enjoy the parts of it that ARE something they enjoy.

[Fandango]

Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that many of us simply DO enjoy this kind of gameplay? I do like exploring for the sake of exploring.
 
Why should Bioware cater to YOU instead of me? Or vice versa. Shouldnt they design a game that tries to make us BOTH happy?
 
If DAI was void of any story or RP, you would have more of a valid arguement. But since DAI is a mix of MANY different things, you come across like a youngster who is upset that there are vegetables on your plate along side your cheeseburger. When gamers learn that games arent going to be 100% designed specifically for them, then they can actually enjoy the game for what it is and enjoy the parts of it that ARE something they enjoy.

That you enjoy exploration doesn't speak to the problem some here have with - what they perceive to be - the repetitive and dull ancillary quests of Inquisition. It's entirely possible to appreciate the great work that went into crafting the games beautiful sandbox environments, without enjoying some of the content contained within them. For me - and quite a few others it seems - many of the quests of Inquisition were monotonous and shallow and did the game no credit at all.

More to the point, this is the right place to say so.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

if you keep telling me that you dont like something and that it shouldnt exist but insist on aknowledging its presence,why?

 

You obviously don't like DA:I yet you're here, you should be posing that question to yourself.

 

But we already know the answer to that question, you're here to rant, nothing more.

 

The reason why me and a lot of people quote the first sentence of your post(s) is because often after that it's just a big text wall of nonsense. All I could gather from it is anyone who disagrees with you is a Bioware fan boy, and that you need people to like your post to validate your position, and . I could get a ton of thumbs up on Youtube by posting a Justin Bieber comment, so color me unimpressed by the amounts of likes something gets. The point of sharing thoughts is not to gather a bunch of like minded people so you can congratulate each other. When I post something online I'm fully prepared to have a whole posse of people disagree with me, it doesn't always happen but it can. You seem to be visably shaken the moment anyone speaks against you, so in that case yes, you should keep it to yourself.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

Tip, when complaining about poor forum behavior, you might want to make sure you yourself aren't guilty. You post things and when people call you out you just ignore them. Thats also a way you can tell someones loosing an argument. 

 

"That's just a throw away argument".

 

I'm still trying to work out what the hell that even means in the first place.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

It means you're right and that's why Lebo dude hasn't returned.

 

Hi hi. 

 

Why would I return when I dropped the mic? I'm not going to fight in circles just cause you won't back down. Lost enough brain cells already.

 

The only reason I came back is seeing a SadisticChunkyDwarf  "last posted" and wanted to see the dragging of your posts for myself.

He didn't disappoint.

Keep fuming though

[Angloassassin]

Hi hi. 

 

Why would I return when I dropped the mic? I'm not going to fight in circles just cause you won't back down. Lost enough brain cells already.

 

The only reason I came back is seeing a SadisticChunkyDwarf  "last posted" and wanted to see the dragging of your posts for myself.

He didn't disappoint.

Keep fuming though

 

I'm not sure how I have this many likes left, I'm just gonna stalk you till I run out. Mr. "I think the same way as you". [Heavy Breathing and all that jazz]

[JessexYron]

I agree with the part of the original post that expresses surprise that the main story ended so quickly. Once I realized I was so close to the end of the main story, I felt immediately deflated about the game. I was enjoying all of it before that, including the big maps and the fetch quests and all the exploration. And I still like the game to an amazing degree.

 

But once I finished the main story I realized I did not really want to replay the game, and that's very unusual for my reaction to a Bioware game. I played all the previous games with at least three characters or more.

 

I do expect I will replay this one but I'm not sure how soon.

 

So much of the game budget has gone into voice acting and elaborate cutscenes. Too little thought went into making the side quests essential keys to move the main story forward. The main story feels too separate from the side quests. There is something wrong with this design. I honestly enjoyed this kind of game a lot more before the elaborate voice acting started. Paying Kate Mulgrew for voicing a bit part, paying Claudia Black for a bit part, actors like those guys are not cheap. Does the money for a game really have to be spent that way instead of for a full and complicated game?

 

I don't fault the big maps and the side quests as the problem; it's the crazy production values that are the problem in my opinion. The side quests and the expansive maps were pretty cheap compared to all the movie-style storytelling.

 

I still play Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 every year or so; the complexity of those games beats everything that has come since. I never feel as if I'm sitting back for ten or fifteen minutes to watch a movie that advances the plot.

 

And yet I have loved all the games since those early ones and have played them obsessively. But this time I don't have the same compulsion because now that I know how quickly the main story is going to pass, it hardly seems worth the trouble.

 

Where are the cities? When I played Skyrim I had lots of cities to explore as well as wide open landscape. Dragon Age 2 had one of the most complicated cities ever in which the game took place. Inquisition feels as if it takes place in a wilderness, with Val Royeaux reduced to a shopping mall.

[ORTesc]

Hi hi. 

 

Why would I return when I dropped the mic? I'm not going to fight in circles just cause you won't back down. Lost enough brain cells already.

 

The only reason I came back is seeing a SadisticChunkyDwarf  "last posted" and wanted to see the dragging of your posts for myself.

He didn't disappoint.

Keep fuming though

 

Ah. And here I thought you actually went to play the game you've been defending since release. Silly me.

[Elanor]

 

*snip*

 

 

I agree with everything though I didn't end the game yet... but I know it's going to  end soon and I don't feel like I got a full story. Where the hell i main quest? All I done is exploring maps and I'm almost done with main quest? I haven't feel engaged in it and it's already gone. It's sad. 

 

 

these are not conspiracy theories, it came from the mouths of the devs themselves. Have you even watched the twitch streams`? or read any of the interviews on gamespot? it doesnt seem like you have. As others have mentioned we paid premium price for this, on the basis of lots of bullshittery. Ive never before written any criticism on bioware's decisions. Clearly anything critical anybody says is false or a conspiracy to you  

 

I think Devs don't care now... We already paid for game so they mission is complete. So what that the truth is not excatly like they were saying. 

I could bear a lot of things but too short main story is not something I'm okey with...

[Scerene]

You obviously don't like DA:I yet you're here, you should be posing that question to yourself.

 

But we already know the answer to that question, you're here to rant, nothing more.

 

The reason why me and a lot of people quote the first sentence of your post(s) is because often after that it's just a big text wall of nonsense. All I could gather from it is anyone who disagrees with you is a Bioware fan boy, and that you need people to like your post to validate your position, and . I could get a ton of thumbs up on Youtube by posting a Justin Bieber comment, so color me unimpressed by the amounts of likes something gets. The point of sharing thoughts is not to gather a bunch of like minded people so you can congratulate each other. When I post something online I'm fully prepared to have a whole posse of people disagree with me, it doesn't always happen but it can. You seem to be visably shaken the moment anyone speaks against you, so in that case yes, you should keep it to yourself.

i simply refuted your argument that its only one persons opinion. Youre clearly very good at filtering out what you want to see and what you dont. Look at all the people responding to this thread agreeing and people making similar threads full of people agreeing, youve conveniently chosen to ignore that and yes   . At this point you are responding to a thread you dont think is worth aknowledging and fueling the same antagonism you accuse me of. I asked you politely how i could look at the game differently, but you chose to attack me instead, which you keep doing. The question is, why arent you keeping it to yourself? I actually do like certain parts of  DAI, something ive repeated several times throughout the thread and even mentioned in my op. The devs have lied to us about a great many things however, saying the game was made for the pc even though its the worst pc port theyve ever made, being one such example. They've been willfully bamboozling people, the very same "fans" they chose to thank for their award, tsk tsk. I may write in a way that is acidic, but it doesnt actually reflect what im feeling. Heh, ive had a lot of people disagree with me in other topics and been ganged up on in many with absolutely no likes, so no, i dont need people to like me or validate what i think  .

[Scerene]

w... We already paid for game so they mission is complete. So what that the truth is not excatly like they were saying. 

I could bear a lot of things but too short main story is not something I'm okey with...

 

yep, i think so too. To be honest the bs and lies, are probably the worst part imo.

[Scerene]

Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that many of us simply DO enjoy this kind of gameplay? I do like exploring for the sake of exploring.

 

Why should Bioware cater to YOU instead of me? Or vice versa. Shouldnt they design a game that tries to make us BOTH happy?

 

If DAI was void of any story or RP, you would have more of a valid arguement. But since DAI is a mix of MANY different things, you come across like a youngster who is upset that there are vegetables on your plate along side your cheeseburger. When gamers learn that games arent going to be 100% designed specifically for them, then they can actually enjoy the game for what it is and enjoy the parts of it that ARE something they enjoy.

you are right, its great that you enjoy the exploration. Youre are also right that the game should make us both happy. Tbh my main gripe with the other thread is the idea that somehow wanting a rich storytelling experience is "outdated" when its simply a different preference. Thats why i said "why is it so hard for some of you to understand". Its hard to get a clear idea of what im referring to when im not even responding to an actual post but several in a different thread, i apologize for that.

[MaxQuartiroli]

I'd like to agree with people who say that DA:I is a game that allow you to choose your way to play, by giving you the option to focus only on main story/main side quests and leaving up to you the decision to explore a little more just for the sake of it or in order to gain more unrequited pover.The problem is that I don't find it true at all, because if we exclude some small exceptions like the shards/bottle/other things collections I can't really say that there is much "skippable" content.

I am trying to romance a character which needs a great amount of approval in order to succed. There is a way to get it which is by finding a certain type of loot hidden in small corners of the map, and by helping people in doing some fetchquests. This same thing goes also for specializations which require some specific material that you can get only if you explore every inches of some specific locations, many of which are not even "main quest related areas".

Companion approval, romances, specializations.. these are things that I find really important into a RPG experience and I believe that they should be totally detached from mere exploration. I cannot say it is really a good experience when you are FORCED to look every single corner of the map if you won't risk to lose some important content relating to characters/relations development. In DA:O you could also choose to not look every single corner of the map in order to collect a specific set of an armor, because you knew that it would not inflate your story at all, but it was nearly impossible to miss the options to unlock a specialization. I did everything in any case, because I tend to be a completist but it was still nice and relaxing to know that all the important content was always tied to "main routes" and that it was nearly impossibile to miss something. The same thing could also be applied to ME1 where 75% of Mako explorations were totally optional.

 

This does not happen in DA:I where, at the opposite I play in a compulsory and anxious way. Therefore my strictly personal opinion of DA:I is that it doesn't  really give you that much freedom and that it strips too many important things from the "main content" by binding it to what it should just be "optional content". Quite curious for a game which is supposed to be open-world hence more relaxing than many others...

[Farangbaa]

If you beat the game in 30 hours, you don't talk to your squadmates , don't pick any investigate options and basically play the game like it's of Shadow of Mordor.

[Dandynermite]

If you beat the game in 30 hours, you don't talk to your squadmates , don't pick any investigate options and basically play the game like it's of Shadow of Mordor.

 

Shadow of Mordor was a far better polished and made open-world game than Inquisition, I wouldn't bring it up here...

 

I never got sent to get 10 Ram Hides in SoM

[tmp7704]

Ah. And here I thought you actually went to play the game you've been defending since release. Silly me.

So, if someone doesn't argue your point in this thread, it's because your argument was superior and you "won".
But if they do argue, they're hypocrite because if the game was actually good like they claim, they'd be playing it instead.

Under these conditions there's really no way to convince you of anything, is there? Damned if they do, damned if they don't.