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[Prince of Keys]

I think what bothers me the most about Lavellan being utterly clueless about thier own bloody gods is that if you are a mage he/she is First. IT IS THEIR JOB TO KNOW THIS BRUH.

 *ahem* I think that when he asks what you plan to do with power of the well even if you didn't drink from it is possibly due to the fact that Morrigan is your arcane advisor, he could be thinking she would stay with the inquisition for a while under the Inquisitors command or she would share as much knowledge with the inquisitor as she can before she splits. I don't know, I haven't finished my play through with her drinking from the well.... but no matter how you look at it that last chat feels bugged. Then again the game is overwhelmed with bugs. *cry*

 

Yep, that was one of my problems with that as well; my Lavellan wasn't paying attention to the Keeper when it came to certain things, I guess. Good thing she probably won't ever be taking over the clan.

That's what I assumed after being confused for a second, but it still seems weird because Morrigan is the one in charge of the power, not the Inquisitor--and her immediate goal is to stop Corypheus, of course, but who knows what she will want to do after that. It's not like the Inquisition can stop her if she decides to run off somewhere. @_@

 

Here's a question...Did anyone ask for opinions with Solas in the party? I did in my first playthru but forgot what he said about it. But yes I didn't think he'd have a problem with my Levallan drinking from the well but he didn't yell at me at Skyhold. He was not happy but he didn't really yell at me :/

 

Yep, this is what he says: "She is right about only one thing: we should take the power which lies in that well." No begging or warning involved.

...I never said he yelled, though. Just that he claims to have warned the Inquisitor about the Well/begged them not to drink when he really didn't, and he's clearly upset about it if you do decide to use the Well.

[BlueElf2]

if DAO Awakening is any sort of hint, dont expect anything story or side quest related to be patched, especially since the pc community wont stop setting things on fire till they get better controls

Maybe, but I think they did fix most of the quest-related glitches in DA2 (at least ones that were affecting conversations triggering and quest completion), so I'm still cautiously optimistic.

[Rixkey]

When my Inquisitor had to make that decision she asked for opinions. He said they needed to take the power from the Well, which, yes, they couldn't leave it for Corypheus, but he didn't add any other stipulations. He just thought someone had to use it. She asked if he wanted it. He was, er...highly resistant to that idea, yes, let's go with that, but every time Morrigan mentioned wanting it he'd snap at her, so, you know, by process of elimination...

 

I sort of thought this was a decision he wasn't going to be happy about no matter what, considering his stance on that particular matter, but I was surprised that apparently between the Inquisitor and Morrigan the Inquisitor was the worse option from his perspective. From everything he said at the Temple, I thought he'd disapprove more of Morrigan. Were we supposed to infer, contrary to what he actually says, that he wouldn't want someone he cares about/respects (at least in regards to a friend or romanced Inquisitor) to take the "eternal servitude is FUN kids!" cool-aid plunge? 

[AzureNika]

I don't know, he gives us every reason to believe the inquisitor should drink.  For someone so cunning and straightforward, despite his obvious deception, he literally failed to be explicitly clear on that situation. Damnit Solas...

[Abelas Forever!]

I was also confused that he disapproves if you drink from the well because I thought that he wanted me to drink from it rather than Morrigan. But then I thought that maybe he didn't like it that I drank from it because now I'm bound to that old god. So it would have been better that Morrigan would have drunk from it because I'm more important than Morrigan so Morrigan should have paid the price instead of me.

[Mikka-chan]

You have the option to ask your companions about it, and Solas basically told my elf 'I agree it should be used, but not by the witch.'

 

Okay, well, you didn't want it, so my character drank it.  Then it's total freak out when we get back to Skyhold.

 

Odd guy, Solas.

[Sah291]

He doesn't trust Morrigan because she seems to want it too much, and he doesn't want the Inquisitor to do it either because the price is too high. He's very anti slavery, so naturally he's not happy with that outcome either (especially if romanced). 

 

It seems contradictory, but it's consistent with his character I think. In the beginning there's a dialog convo you can have with him about blood magic, and he explains his views about how the fact that it's banned everywhere means only criminals will use it. So he's struggling with the problem of power--which is the idea that power always corrupts, but if good people always refuse it, then only tyrants who desire it (like Cory) will have it. Therefore he concludes someone ought to drink from the well, even though he doesn't like it. That's my guess. 

 

As for why he refused it himself...

 

Spoiler

If he's really Fen'Harel then he probably can't... He's supposed to be a god/spirit of rebellion (or is possessed by one) so he can't/won't bind himself to Mythal. Not without completely changing or compromising what he is.

 

Anyway it does seem like there was dialog cut though. 

[LolaLei]

Solas told me off for drinking from the fountain, even though I had Morrigan drink from it, LOL!

[jmoody270bc]

Yeah, its confusing why he says he begs her not to drink it because he definitely did not. Also, yeah, how Lavellan doesnt know who Mythal is I was like, "uh..." and then how NO ONE reacts to my clan being completely destroyed! Really got me annoyed.

[Prince of Keys]

When my Inquisitor had to make that decision she asked for opinions. He said they needed to take the power from the Well, which, yes, they couldn't leave it for Corypheus, but he didn't add any other stipulations. He just thought someone had to use it. She asked if he wanted it. He was, er...highly resistant to that idea, yes, let's go with that, but every time Morrigan mentioned wanting it he'd snap at her, so, you know, by process of elimination...

 

I sort of thought this was a decision he wasn't going to be happy about no matter what, considering his stance on that particular matter, but I was surprised that apparently between the Inquisitor and Morrigan the Inquisitor was the worse option from his perspective. From everything he said at the Temple, I thought he'd disapprove more of Morrigan. Were we supposed to infer, contrary to what he actually says, that he wouldn't want someone he cares about/respects (at least in regards to a friend or romanced Inquisitor) to take the "eternal servitude is FUN kids!" cool-aid plunge? 

 

Even if we were meant to infer it, him saying he begged/warned the Inquisitor not to drink still doesn't make any sense. @_@ I mean, it does make sense that he wouldn't want the Inquisitor to be the one to drink when you think about Solas and what he's said while he wasn't at the Temple, but if you're just going off of what he says at the Temple... like you say, it really seems like the only option he's kind of okay with is the Inquisitor drinking. 

 

He doesn't trust Morrigan because she seems to want it too much, and he doesn't want the Inquisitor to do it either because the price is too high. He's very anti slavery, so naturally he's not happy with that outcome either (especially if romanced). 

 

It seems contradictory, but it's consistent with his character I think. In the beginning there's a dialog convo you can have with him about blood magic, and he explains his views about how the fact that it's banned everywhere means only criminals will use it. So he's struggling with the problem of power--which is the idea that power always corrupts, but if good people always refuse it, then only tyrants who desire it (like Cory) will have it. Therefore he concludes someone ought to drink from the well, even though he doesn't like it. That's my guess. 

 

As for why he refused it himself...

 

Spoiler

If he's really Fen'Harel then he probably can't... He's supposed to be a god/spirit of rebellion (or is possessed by one) so he can't/won't bind himself to Mythal. Not without completely changing or compromising what he is.

 

Anyway it does seem like there was dialog cut though. 

 

Yes, I know why he thinks Morrigan is the best option, all things considered, and why he doesn't want to take the power for himself/have the Inquisitor drink/etc. What I'm confused about is why he doesn't actually say anything about that or warn the Inquisitor away from the Well while he's standing right there, even though he acts like he did after, which is why I'm asking about that in the first post. If the dialogue was cut, it was done in a way that makes things confusing--and not just for me, as proven by the other people in this thread. If it's just not triggering properly for whatever reason, I thought someone should know.

[Dova]

Looking at the Solas thread- it's a "mistake" in the game. He is supposed to plead the Inquisitor to not too, considering what you find out after the end of the game

Spoiler

so you aren't bound to Flemeth/Mythal.

 

But it fails to kick in. Perhaps it'll be fixed in a patch; otherwise don't bring him if you don't want your ass chewed. 

It's like the stupid Stroud bug where you have a stare down for 5 minutes and then the scene delay fixes itself after you sit there staring at his face...his mustache...

Anyway short answer: bug. Most bugs get squashed in patches.

[Pani Mauser]

Also is it just me or does the glowy watery (mythal?) spirit that emerged from the well look like your inquisitor regardless of whether you had them drink from it or not? Maybe I'm just using the same hairstyle too much?  I'm too far from the end with my Trevelyan to test this myself and curiosity is killing me.

I played qunari and the glowy figure was still human/elf (the scene was too short, I didn't have time to look at ears), so no, I guess you just happened to pick similar appearance to this figure)

[Prince of Keys]

Looking at the Solas thread- it's a "mistake" in the game. He is supposed to plead the Inquisitor to not too, considering what you find out after the end of the game

Spoiler

so you aren't bound to Flemeth/Mythal.

 

But it fails to kick in. Perhaps it'll be fixed in a patch; otherwise don't bring him if you don't want your ass chewed. 

It's like the stupid Stroud bug where you have a stare down for 5 minutes and then the scene delay fixes itself after you sit there staring at his face...his mustache...

Anyway short answer: bug. Most bugs get squashed in patches.

 

I've been in the Solas thread since its inception--we don't know that it's a bug. It seems like one, yes, but there are other possibilities as well. They could have cut dialogue for whatever reason and they got a little sloppy about it. I don't want to assume it's a bug/issue that BioWare is aware of when that might not be the case. 

[Mims]

Does Solas always get mad at the Inquisitor for drinking, or just romanced/elven Inquisitor? 

[Prince of Keys]

Does Solas always get mad at the Inquisitor for drinking, or just romanced/elven Inquisitor? 

 

According to AzureNika, he says he "warned" a non-romanced Inquisitor instead of saying that he "begged" them not to drink. So it seems like there should have been separate dialogue there for romanced and non-romanced Inquisitors. :S

[Prince of Keys]

Sorry for the double post (don't know what the rules are about that on these forums, actually), but I created a post about this at the EA Answer HQ, just in case it's better suited for over there. It's right here.

[Caboods]

Yep, was REALLY confused about that scene after the Temple as well. From what I gathered from the options of asking your companions whether you should drink or not, and some of Solas prior remarks during the Temple-quest, Solas' opinion seems to be that he doesn't really trust Morrigan and thinks that Corypheus definitely should not get that knowledge.
So the tone I got from this dialogue was "Well, Inquisitor binding oneself to an ancient elven god is a **** idea no matter how you put it, BUT I don't trust this woman as far as I can throw her and there's this magister-darkspawn ******* on our tail so u better hurry up and drink already"

Definitely no begging during my conversation either. And I had a Lavellan that romanced him.

[Prince of Keys]

Yep, was REALLY confused about that scene after the Temple as well. From what I gathered from the options of asking your companions whether you should drink or not, and some of Solas prior remarks during the Temple-quest, Solas' opinion seems to be that he doesn't really trust Morrigan and thinks that Corypheus definitely should not get that knowledge.
So the tone I got from this dialogue was "Well, Inquisitor binding oneself to an ancient elven god is a **** idea no matter how you put it, BUT I don't trust this woman as far as I can throw her and there's this magister-darkspawn ******* on our tail so u better hurry up and drink already"

Definitely no begging during my conversation either. And I had a Lavellan that romanced him.

 

Yeah, that's what it seemed like to me as well. The first time I went there I didn't have the Inquisitor drink anyway, but it definitely wasn't because of any warning/begging on Solas's part--it was more because Cole and Cassandra were concerned about it and didn't think it was a good idea.

 

Thank you for posting! c: And a belated thank you to everyone else that has posted as well! I can't keep this thread alive on my own and I don't know how else to get the attention/a possible response from someone that would actually know what happened here.

[M i l k y]

Ahh, no wonder I was so confused by his outburst.

 

"I begged you not to drink from the well!"

"Um... wait, what? No you didn't! D:"

 

They really ought to fix this because it seems it confused a lot of us.

[Solas]

Happened to me as well. Hit "me too" on the bug report + added this thread + the bug report to the Solas thread OP & FAQ.

[Tamyn]

Also is it just me or does the glowy watery (mythal?) spirit that emerged from the well look like your inquisitor regardless of whether you had them drink from it or not? Maybe I'm just using the same hairstyle too much?  I'm too far from the end with my Trevelyan to test this myself and curiosity is killing me.

 

 I thought it was my character's likeness that appeared even though Morrigan used the well. Maybe she just had a ponytail like my character so they looked similar.

[SS7]

Didn't have my Solasmance drink from the well. Was under no assumption Solas would approve if she did, given his character being portrayed as an advocate for freedom and individual thought. A gaes? Bound to someone else's will? He'd never want that for someone he cared for. Also, power hunger. Not his favourite attribute in others. On that note, I find it hard to swallow a character like that telling you what to do either way. So, I have a suspicion the dialogue about begging was a mistake, left over from a squashed idea. I'd hope, anyway. 

Nevertheless, I have a non Solasmance character that drank from the well despite their friendship, so if there is missing dialogue, I'd like to know!

 

Never mind! I see there's been an answer on the first page. I'm a turkey.

[MusicAndGaming]

Would pay 2.99 dlc for them to make more dialog for this part and for solas romance and other romances like josie and cullen traveling through the mirrors to visit dorian in the future if you drink...

[lynroy]

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