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[Toasted Llama]

Because Cullen is a heterosexual man! So f-ing what! He likes hot human and elven women -  what a freaking crime! Some of you people on this board just want to stir up controversy every chance you get and in every thread. Every thread I go into to discuss this game, there you are with your BS. Can one thread not have you morons in it?

Im not saying Cullens race restriction is bad, holy cow, calm your ******.

I just recalled devs stating it would make sense story/lore wise but cant find anything in the story/lore.

Why do people always blow simple questions out of proportions. Whyyyyy.

[sylvanaerie]

Wow, this thread again.  Before I grab some beer and pretzels, I'll drop my 2 cents worth in.

 

Cullen isn't racist.  He just has his own idea of beauty and attraction and elves/humans makes sense since that is what he was most exposed to on a daily basis in the Circle.  Dwarves and Qunari just are beyond his day to day experience, and thus are less familiar to him.

But from a technical standpoint, since his romance (and Solas') was done as 'extra resources/time' Bioware got, they put together a nice, extra part to his character for someone wanting to romance him.  Doubtless they didn't want to have to go through the hassles of animating his scenes for all races/types, or lacked the resources they could devote to the other romances, so instead of giving us nothing, they gave us this.  I'd go for race-gating if it meant more dialogue, read: the romance was well integrated into the game, and it was.  So, that's my take on it.

 

Frankly, my scenes with my Dalish and him were some of my favorite in the game, particularly the first kiss they shared, the dance at the Grand Ball and the ending scene before the credits rolled.

[Toasted Llama]

Are you possibly attributing Darrah's comment about Solas' romance race-gate making "super story sense" to Cullen's?

Was it Solas specific? I remember a comment among the lines of "2 romance options are racegated and make sense story wise" but nothing solas specific. Could be wrong tho.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Was it Solas specific? I remember a comment among the lines of "2 romance options are racegated and make sense story wise" but nothing solas specific. Could be wrong tho.

 

I don't know about the two romance options.  I was thinking about this.  Iron Bull was supposed to be race-gated before Epler figured out the cutscenes.  Maybe that was the other one?

[Kantr]

It could be that Cullen is speciest.

[Toasted Llama]

I don't know about the two romance options.  I was thinking about this.  Iron Bull was supposed to be race-gated before Epler figured out the cutscenes.  Maybe that was the other one?

No thats not the post/status/thing that I was talking about. I tried googling it, but cant find it. Will check again on my laptop later. Couldve sworn it talked about 2 race gated romances making sense story wise and not Solas-specific.

[N7KnightSabre]

Quinari started a war and tore apart Kirkwall while he was there. I'm fairly sure that might make him a bit leery of quinari. I think he's most familiar with elves so that makes sense. I wish Solas wasn't elves only, I get why but then again, Mythal is fine with joining with a human so surely if joining with a human works then why not a relationship with one? It could have had some very interesting points of view and give opportunity for a rather interesting exchange.

 

I'm with you on in wishing Solas wasn't for elves only.  Solas in the game states that he doesn't consider himself elven and that he doesn't feel a connection to the elves of that time.  Also the fact that he hates it when people put labels on him simply because he has pointed ears.  I liked the idea that a human, a race he read to be barbaric and such (dialogue given if he's on a rival path with Quizzy), who believed there was more to it than what was presented in legends, myths, and faiths and agreed with him - I just think that kind of romance would've been rather intriguing story-wise.  I also think that such ideas have a greater impact coming from a Human inquisitor than the elven one.

[LadyJaneGrey]

I'm with you on in wishing Solas wasn't for elves only.  Solas in the game states that he doesn't consider himself elven and that he doesn't feel a connection to the elves of that time.  Also the fact that he hates it when people put labels on him simply because he has pointed ears.  I liked the idea that a human, a race he read to be barbaric and such (dialogue given if he's on a rival path with Quizzy), who believed there was more to it than what was presented in legends, myths, and faiths and agreed with him - I just think that kind of romance would've been rather intriguing story-wise.  I also think that such ideas have a greater impact coming from a Human inquisitor than the elven one.

 

Hooray for rabbit trails!

 

What Solas says and what gives him an approval boost aren't necessarily the same.  Sometimes it's like he's trying to convince himself of what he believes/prefers.  It's a nice character building tool that only games get to use.

[Eternal Dust]

Because they didn't want to do separate animations to adjust for the height differences for Qunari and dwarves. The end. 

[N7KnightSabre]

Hooray for rabbit trails!

 

What Solas says and what gives him an approval boost aren't necessarily the same.  Sometimes it's like he's trying to convince himself of what he believes/prefers.  It's a nice character building tool that only games get to use.

 

True, but I do believe he doesn't feel that the elves of this time are the same as the ancient elves.  I understand why they race-gated him, I was just saying that it would make for an interesting story if a Human Quizzy romanced him.  Not trying to start anything.

[pdusen]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

 

It makes him not into dwarves and Qunari. Like how I'm not into women who are taller than me. It's just a preference.

[Asakti]

Well, Cullen does call Oghren a cave-dwelling heathen (just after being tortured, true, but anyway) so he probably doesn't have the most positive view towards dwarves.

 

It'd be lovely if instead of race-gated, characters like Cullen and Solas were just harder to romance.  It'd make it more fun, and intriguing - to see Cullen fall for a qunari. 

[daveliam]

It was definitely just a resource thing, but they did try to sell it as making sense for 'story reasons'.  And, frankly, that's obviously now a load of bull.  There's no 'story reason' why he's race-gated.  I wish they would have just called it what it was and gotten on with it. 

[Karlone123]

As a another BSN user once said. "Cullen cannot handle the Dwarven or Qunari booty".

[rigron]

Because they didn't want to do separate animations to adjust for the height differences for Qunari and dwarves. The end. 

 

Or didn´t have the time and resources to do so considering the game was already delayed for half a year, Cullen´s romance (and Solas) were added as extra content during that delay while working on other aspects of the game and the game as currently is suffers from some glitches and bugs which means they didn´t have all the time they wanted to pull it off.

 

And from an in game perspective: Because Cullen only finds attractive human and elven women, not dwarfs or qunaris, something I share with him. Seriously, I don´t even understand how could anyone find attractive a 2 and a half meters woman with grey skin and horns or a half a meter fat woman, but that´s just my personal (and Cullen´s) opinion. He has some dialogue lines about he being familiar around humans and elves due his templar past with those races being the ones who compose the templar´s army, probably he is unfamiliar with dwarfs and specially qunaries, so even more reasons to not find them attractive.

[Nefla]

I think it's weird that Dwarf and Qunari women can't even attempt to flirt with him. Any male character can flirt with him around 3 times and then get turned down but Dwarf and Qunari women can't even try.

[Uirebhiril]

Characters are meant to tell a story. This means they have their own feelings, beliefs, and preferences. They do not, and should not, cater to all whims of the players just because we want them to. That wouldn't be storytelling, it would be desire fulfillment, and considering the number of people playing the game and their differing wants it would be impossible to achieve.

 

Let the characters be who they are. Maybe it was just resources. Or maybe, just maybe, part of it was wanting to tell a particular story with a given character.

[rda]

Because they didn't want to do separate animations to adjust for the height differences for Qunari and dwarves. The end.

Agree. Wasn't Cullen one of the last minute romance add-ins?

Even the romances that they did have time to do still suffer a bit because of height differential. My male elf romancing Cass would sometimes kiss the air in front of her lips-and this height differential is one of the easiest to do!

I think it would be quite difficult to do all those different race animations work at the last minute. Same thing for Solas, I'd guess.

[Tamyn]

True, but I do believe he doesn't feel that the elves of this time are the same as the ancient elves.  I understand why they race-gated him, I was just saying that it would make for an interesting story if a Human Quizzy romanced him.  Not trying to start anything.

 

If you romance him, he makes it clear that he thinks you alone are different from all the other elves of this time. You think with a perspective similar to his and give him hope for the future of the elves. You are his special snowflake, and he is utterly devoted to the People.

[o Ventus]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

Not being sexually attracted to somebody who happens to be qunari or a dwarf or black or purple doesn't make them a racist.

[BubbleDncr]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

 

Races in fantasy games aren't really races - they are different species. They usually just like to ignore science and let them sleep with each other, because its fantasy and more interesting that way.

 

Someone is not racist for not wanting to sleep with people outside their species.

[SurelyForth]

I think it's weird that Dwarf and Qunari women can't even attempt to flirt with him. Any male character can flirt with him around 3 times and then get turned down but Dwarf and Qunari women can't even try.

 

I thought that was odd, too, but I think it's because it's been established that some characters aren't straight/gay, but we've never had race-gated companions before. So rather than having to write out why Cullen isn't into qunari/dwarves or why Solas won't romance a non-elf, they just prevent the player from going down that road in the first place. It kind of sucks, though, because it removes player agency in a way. For example, my human would have absolutely told Solas she would keep him from being placed in a Circle (which is a hilarious thought in retrospect...), but it's a flirt option, so she can't. 

[AresKeith]

It was definitely just a resource thing, but they did try to sell it as making sense for 'story reasons'.  And, frankly, that's obviously now a load of bull.  There's no 'story reason' why he's race-gated.  I wish they would have just called it what it was and gotten on with it. 

 

I thought it only applied to Solas when they mentioned it

[moxiegraphix]

I think I'm more disappointed there are no actual Dwarven romance possibilities for Dwarves (I've seen some really adorable Dwarf inquisitors). Though, I have to admit, watching a video of a female dwarf romancing Iron Bull was pure comedy gold. I think I actually crossed my legs and winced thinking about it.