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[sandalisthemaker]

It was due to resources.  Cinematics and such.

[DarkSpiral]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

No, it doesn't.  Racism implies he thinks Qunari or dwarves are lesser being.  Him not finding them sexually attractive means he has preferences.

Am I sexist because I don't find each and every person walking down the street equally attractive?  Nope.

[lady8jane]

Races in fantasy games aren't really races - they are different species. They usually just like to ignore science and let them sleep with each other, because its fantasy and more interesting that way.

 

Someone is not racist for not wanting to sleep with people outside their species.

 

Actually when we talk about the elves and the qunari we may be talking about race as they are a sub-set of their species, aren't they? Iron Bull is implying that the kossith are different from the qunari, and the old elves are clearly different from the Dalish or city elves.

[Walrider]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

 

No?

 

Lack of attraction does not a racist make.

[jsachun]

I can't believe people think your are racist because you can not or choose to have sex with a certain race or ethnic group.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cullen only likes human and elves because they are the only ones he can live out his "Naughty circle mage, disciplinary templar" fantasies out with.

[Shadow Fox]

Um, I thought this was obvious lol

Yeah remember Bull was going to be gated too till someone did overtime.

[Ash Wind]

Eh... he's just not that into you.

[zestalyn]

I don't exactly remember just exactly where, but I read somewhere that the race-gating would make sense (lore/story-wise, that is). For Solas, it indeed made a lot of sense, but for Cullen it.... didn't? At least, I couldn't find the reason, please correct me if I'm wrong.

So.... has there been any explanation for the race-gating? I could understand human-only and human-elf only if the inquisitor WASN'T Dalish, but Dalish elves are A-OK so that kinda... confuses me. A lot.

I'm seriously beginning to think it's resources/development time related and not story/lore related.

Any ideas? Explanations? Dev posts I missed that reveal the big thing? Stuff? Anything?

I believe this can be explained from both a technical and lore point of view. 

Can you imagine how much more work it would require to make more love interests that have no race-gates? it must have taken a considerable amount of work to have both Josie/Bull/Sera, etc be able to have love scenes with Inquisitors of all possible heights. In addition to, you know, everything else Bioware has to make in this game. IMO it was an efficient use of resources. Cullen in particular has so many romance scenes. That's mad work. And Cullen wasn't even one of the original romances, they added his after getting one year extra of development time. 

The non race-gated folks are characterized to be one or all of the following: worldy, open-minded...and subversive, atleast more than the average Thedas citizen. For this reason it made more sense for them to be the ones to romance a person with no regard to how estranged and foreign their lover's race is (This is Thedas - relations between these races are strained and limited)

 

For other personalities, in this case, Cullen's, this isn't the case as much, and therefore far from necessary. He's Ferelden, and was essentially raised by the Chantry. He has spent most of his time at Circles, where there were only humans and elves. And then at Kirkwall, where that continues to be the case for the most part. He was clearly a hard-worker given how quickly he became Meredith's second-in-command, and both DA:O and DA:I show him to be ridiculously nervous about anything related to intimacy. I doubt he spent much time getting experimental in bed at the Pearl or the Blooming Rose lol... 

[Sardoni]

Not everyone wants to ride the Iron Bull.

[pottman]

Not everyone wants to ride the Iron Bull.

 

More like 50 Shades of Bull.

[Ellyria]

I do remember after starting a romance with Cullen on my Elf I could ask him if it bothered him that my Inquisitor was a Dalish Elf and he said something along the lines of "In the Circle there were mages; we didn't see them as humans or elves, just mages." Doesn't explain why he's not attracted to dwarves/Qunari, but does explain his attraction to elves and humans, I suppose.

[Chiramu]

Cullen is race gated because he was a bonus romance with the extra time Bioware had of production. If they had more time they could have worked on a way to make him romance qunari and dwarves but that requires more writing and time.

[Ryzaki]

Well I knew it. Story reasons my ass.

 

They should've just said he prefers elves and humans and left it at that.

[Deebo305]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

Nope, just not his cup o tea

I don't think any female Qunari I've seen are attractive. Does that make ME racist...nope

[Bladenite1481]

The Qunari in this game are butt ugly. The Tamasra like the one in the comics..hell yeah, I'd be all over that. 

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

Cullen only likes human and elves because they are the only ones he can live out his "Naughty circle mage, disciplinary templar" fantasies out with.

 

[holdenagincourt]

What I find funny is that Cullen was a "bonus" romance in the first place, given the inordinate attention paid to him since like the beginning of the series by a large number of fans.

 

Also, I'm enjoying the amount of whitesplaining going on here on the racism vs. preferences debate. And no, you're not all racial minorities, unless statistics have failed me (which is statistically highly improbable).

 

Also, I really want the no-GIF rule of the old forums back.

[DarkSpiral]

Also, I'm enjoying the amount of whitesplaining going on here on the racism vs. preferences debate. And no, you're not all racial minorities, unless statistics have failed me (which is statistically highly improbable).

 

So, you're suggesting that those of us that feel there is a difference between someone hating another race/species and simply not being attracted to them are wrong? 

[Rawgrim]

Doesn't that... kinda make him racist tho?

 

No that means he has a certain taste.

[Joy Sauce]

Also, I'm enjoying the amount of whitesplaining going on here on the racism vs. preferences debate. And no, you're not all racial minorities, unless statistics have failed me (which is statistically highly improbable).

Who specifically are you accusing of "whitesplaining" because I haven't seen any of that here. Who a person is attracted to/not attracted to has no bearing on any prejudices they have toward a group. Gay men aren't being sexist against women just because they aren't attracted to them. Women who like older men are not ageist just because they are attracted to older men. People who prefer able-bodied sex-partners are not ableist because they aren't attracted to disabled people. Men who prefer thin women do not necessarily hate fat women.

 

When you find someone attractive/unattractive, you're not making a judgement about them either as a person or as part of a group. I'm not saying that a person's racial prejudices might go hand in hand with who they find attractive (a white guy might not be attracted to black people and also hate black people at the same time), but you can't determine what a person's prejudices are based on what they are sexually aroused by.  I should also point out that people can be attracted to certain ethnicities and still have racist perceptions of them. Just look at how creepy white guys will salivate over asian women - it has nothing to do with how they respect them as a race and everything to do with how those women have been fetishized in western culture.

 

Physical attraction is not based on discrimination for or against any particular group. It would only be discrimination if they chose not to be attracted to certain people based on what they were. Physical attraction is not a choice, our orientations and preferences are involuntary, so saying it's racism is completely inappropriate.

[KaiserShep]

"Whitesplaining" sounds like some kind of method of finishing wood.